Trying to avoid deca bloat and have no experience in this field. Have ran test only before and this is my 3rd cycle. Now running 14 week testo cyp + Deca, Dbol first 4weeks. Ofc running an AI.
I compete in wrestling and that’s why I am trying to avoid too much water weight. Looking to gain muscle and keep it after PCT.
My question to you guys is actually how much of a harsh diet can I run and still gain, I need carbs to gain but at the same time I need to watch the sodium and carbs intake for the water retention. Is there an easy way to find the sweet spot?
I do understand I can’t avoid it totally on deca and Dbol but just trying to avoid a catastrophic bloating. I can later on drop the water weight, have done it numerous times before compititions.
Since you are taking Dbol only the first 4 weeks, the water retention is a non-issue. The Dbol effects will be totally gone by the 6th week.
I never had any water retention issue with Deca. The Testosterone cypionate might cause a water retention issue. I always dropped Test Cyp two weeks out of a contest, and switched to testosterone suspension the last ten days.
Interesting to hear that, have read so much about the deca bloat I thought it’s going to be a problem. I’m not having any problems yet, even with Dbol.
Okay then if I decide to compete during cycle, you would stop the test and keep running deca? Do you feel the change after 10 days? Will I have the energy to compete?
Moderate-harsh? This really depends on your history with dieting and running AAS. Start with something like a 750 cal deficit, do that for 4 weeks, see if you can bump it up? That is if it’s not moving fast enough for you.
I would think that it wouldn’t be necessary to stop the testosterone. And IMO, there is no need to stop Deca.
I am thinking there is quite a bit of difference in “feeling” between bodybuilding and wrestling.
How close do you keep your weight to the top weight of your weight class? If it is close, I wouldn’t worry about it. In that case, take your last testosterone injection 5 to 7 days before the competition.
IMO, this has more to do with how much weight you must lose to make weight. But the more weight I had to lose, would make me stay on the testosterone later.
How many meets have you had to “diet” to make weight? The more experience you have, the better you understand your body’s ability to drop weight and stay strong. IMO, the AAS will have no affect on dropping fat.
How long after weigh-in before you compete? The longer you have, the easier it will be to re-hydrate. And I would think you already know how to drop water weight, and deal with re-hydrating.
I think how much bloat one gets is dependent on a few things. Individual response, diet, and amount of gear. I have a feeling the guys that show up with a moon face (a change large enough for people to notice in their face in a short time frame) are often not using moderate dosages, they are doing a lot of gear. I could be wrong about that, but I haven’t seen too much bloating from guys running moderate dosages.
Like mnben said, I don’t believe moderate doses of testosterone and deca (both 200mg/wk each) will cause you any bloat. I am sure you hope to get some muscle mass out of the cycle, but you might be able to compete in the same class, but have lower percent bodyfat.
How many weight class have you increased in those two years?
Just out of curiosity, what weight class are you competing now?
From my experience this is a little above moderate doses.
If you aren’t set on excelling at wrestling I would just compete at what you happen to weigh in at. I powerlifted to improve my physique for bodybuilding, but I liked competing as it added motivation to improve. But I never dieted for a powerlifting meet. I just went to the meet and competed in the class that I weighed in. (Now, if I were a fraction of a pound over the top weight, I would put a penny in my mouth and spit off that little amount. I did that at a Bench Press contest where I was 243lbs at “first” weigh-in and dropped a half pound to get into the 242 1/2 lb class.)
Excuse my English (European and Eng is not my native language) but do you mean by this only eating 750kcal per day? Could I really gain any muscle with that quantity?
To my understanding, you mean the gear I’m using is not in a big role with the water retention but rather the diet and way of training, is that right?
So I could (maybe) try and do the weight cut just on gear normally and compete while I’m on, ofc dependent on how my body will react to the (perhaps 3 week) water cut I will do.
I can say what doses I typically took.
200mg/wk of testosterone cypionate
200mg/wk deca
Plus I always took 20mg/day of an oral (either Dbol, Anavar, or Winstrol)
When I took this is was considered moderately high, but today I would call this moderate.
Your 375mg/wk on both is probably okay. I would keep them the same dosage anywhere between 200mg/wk and 375mg/wk.
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I am not sure I understand this. Here’s how I would approach the fat and water loss. Watch your sodium intake the entire time you cut fat. This way I would have a better idea how much more I had to lose. But I know “making weight” is much different than looking my best. You can compete hydrated, and want to, where I needed to minimize fluid under my skin, and might be a little dehydrated.