Ten Immediate Benefits of HCR Bill

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]danew wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
<<< Excellent post.

Mufasa[/quote]
I couldn’t disagree more. I bet you’re not surprised =]

Come on don’t lemme down. Here’s the part where you ask me how I could possibly be comfortable with this fine lady’s untimely demise. How could I be so heartless as to prefer that her husband and children lose her in the middle of her life? How could anybody who is all the time preaching all this Christian stuff allow her to die when the means to save her abounded in this society of plenty? Where is my heart? What is wrong with people who would watch someone die over money?[/quote]

I’m not going to ask you those sensational questions. I would ask you what you disagree with, do you think we need some kind of healthcare reform, and what kind do you think we need?[/quote]
We are on the other side of the galaxy from what I think. I think the government has no business providing healthcare at all. I also think the collectivist idea of insurance whereby financially interested 3rd parties control the disbursal of health related funds is a recipe for the very disaster we are at this moment in the middle of. I think any government quest that allegedly seeks to provide anything for all equally ends up providing crap for all equally at best and kills off it’s own citizens at worst.

I think the question should be asked whether private citizens would voluntarily provide funds for the care of the needy. If so then it’s all fixed, if not then they’re being forced at the point of a jail cell to do so which is anything other than liberty.

I think compassion with other peoples money has a horrific track record of eventual squalor, tyranny and despotism. I think this government in particular has made spectacular shipwreck of every single program they’ve ever lured the unsuspecting bleeding heart public into supporting with said other peoples money.

I think anybody who trusts these people with now their very lives is either self destructively insane or hopelessly gullible.

I think any so called solution that includes the concrete fist of Washington DC and or the blood sucking vampires in the insurance companies is an apocalyptic disaster in the making.

I think we are so far off the path laid for us at our founding that we couldn’t see it anymore with a radio telescope. I think even the best of intentions from those who honestly do want to help people are paving a big wide freeway to this nations final destruction.

In other words we do indeed need fundamental transformation, but in the exact opposite direction of everything we’ve done for the last 50 years. Will that happen? Nah, we’ve spent waaaay too much time energy and money creating entire populations of extended dependents to turn back now even if federally helping those genuinely in need were actually a good idea.

I hope Biotest enjoys their success while they can BTW, because things like bodybuilding supplements are not long for this brave new American world. Laugh if you must, but mark my words, in all our lifetimes every last thing that goes into your mouth will be subject to central approval and anybody who thinks they’re not going to REALLY be greasing the palms of their favored companies is also stupid enough to think this bill is a good idea.[/quote]

We are a ways off from one another. I appreciate your response.

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Fair enough.

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[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
If “we join the rest of the world” we’re taking a hit. The American middle class if far richer than European middle class. You would have to be a millionaire in Europe to live like I do.[/quote]

How many days holiday do you get a year?

How many hours do you work each week?

How many minutes is your commute to work?

What time do you leave work on Friday afternoons?

If you need to drop your children off at school can you without any question whatsoever from your employer? (As long as you actually do the job your paid to do.)

Are you absolutely certain that you’ll always be treated if you get sick?

How much will you pay to send your children through university/college?

Do you still feel rich after answering these questions?[/quote]

Ok Lou fair enough I’ll answer also, but my request is you answer the questions for us?

  1. I get 72 hours of personal time, any amount of sick as long as I have “banked” enough hours along with up to 6 24 hour shifts off per year.

  2. 56

  3. 45 minutes (but where I live is my choice, I like my nieghborhood and where my kids go to school at).

  4. Let’s see this one is tough for me to answer. I work a rotating shift schedule of 48 hours at the firehouse and 96 (4 days) off. So this works out to the fact that I have 20 days off per month.

  5. Yes if I have a family issue I can take the time.

  6. Hard to say, there is no certainty here for anybody.

  7. Hard to predict college costs for kids not attending college until 2018 or 2020. Also depends on if they stay in state or want to go out of state. Scholarships or no, there is money being saved but we will see how it gets used.

  8. Do I still feel rich? Hell yeah I do, I have the freedom to live where I choose. Make a fairly decent wage for the work I do and have the luxury of being home with my family 20 days a month. Also if I am out of vacation or sick time I can “trade” time with guys on other shifts where they work for me on a day and I work for them on a future day.

My view is a little slanted since I don’t have the classic 9-5 Monday through Friday job. But this health care bill is a horrible idea. There had to have been a better solution on the table than this. I’m also waiting to see what the “tax” will be on my health care plan that I now get to pay.

So now Lou it’s your turn :slight_smile:

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]MrDan500 wrote:

My solution is…2)ban denial…for people with pre-existing conditions…[/quote]

Under this incredibly generous plan please explain why anyone would buy health insurance before they actually need it.
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Bad wording I dont think people should be turned away because of pre existing conditions they should have to pay a surcharge based on the severity of said condition. M.S. would cost more than chronic alergies for exanple.

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[quote]thefederalist wrote:

That POS website you keep referring to is about as valid and genuine as your use of Hamilton as an avatar.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

Have the IRS levy my bank account, garnish my wages, lien my home, seize my home, imprison me if I don’t pay your surcharge? Please, yes! This does sound like Utopia! I want it so bad. It will be “good for America” to have an IRS with a strengthened and expanded role in our lives. Let’s make it happen. It can only help. It truly can only help.[/quote]

I wonder if doing all of this will be helped by the IRS’s recent purchase of 60 new Remmy 870’s. You know, ones with 14" barrels that I can’t even buy unless I jump through lots of hoops and put my name on a list I really am afraid to be on.

All I know is that mike’s future as a criminal defense lawyer is starting to look bright. The fedgov will provide me with plenty of innocent citizens in need of help.

Yup, Mike, who should be in Marja, fighting the Taliban with his fellow Marines is instead fucking miserable and going to get back now to writing phony legal research papers because he apparently needs to defend his fellow citizens from an enemy far more dangerous than the Taliban – The United States Government.

mike

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

Have the IRS levy my bank account, garnish my wages, lien my home, seize my home, imprison me if I don’t pay your surcharge? Please, yes![/i][/quote]

And Push, what then will happen to you if you refuse to go to jail?

Universal Health Care, it’s a killer deal.

mike

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I will tell you one benefits I see, The Democrats are done. Unfortunately it is the Progressives that own that party now, but at least we can finally start calling a spade a spade.

Just wait till people see all those taxes come into affect right around the time the Commercial real estate market begins to reset. By the end of this you will be lucky to find 10% of the people that will identify themselves as democrats(progressives).

And not only that but the national debt starts to roll over soon, these idiots who want this program have no idea what is about to hit them.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
By the way, I’m not sure if this has been mentioned yet but under this incredibly generous plan please explain why anyone would buy health insurance before they actually need it. [/quote]

This is the question that we must ask everyone who favors the bill. This will help separate the radicals from the bleeding hearts.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
By the way, I’m not sure if this has been mentioned yet but under this incredibly generous plan please explain why anyone would buy health insurance before they actually need it. [/quote]

But we have to carry insurance. Otherwise the IRS will fine us.

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[quote]John S. wrote:
<<< you will be lucky to find 10% of the people that will identify themselves as democrats(progressives) >>>[/quote]
You can’t have been following politics very long. 90% of todays democrats would continue to proudly identify themselves as such and vote a straight democrat ticket if they made the hammer and sickle their official party symbol and ran Hugo Chavez as their candidate.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Gonna say this again for you: executive orders cannot trump bills passed by Congress that are signed by the President wherein they become laws.
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I know you see the phrase “executive order” and blow your load a little too soon, but try to stay with it this time. The executive order says that everyone will follow the bill passed by Congress that was signed by the president wherein it became a law. The law says Department of Health and Human Services funds cannot be used for elective abortion. This has been law since the 70’s

If the President passes an executive order declaring today to be Tuesday, and later rescinds that order, it is still Tuesday.

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[quote]Vegita wrote:
I’m sure Pat out earns me and yet I still have all the luxuries I could want. That was even being stupid with credit for the past 10 years. Right now I’m able to dig myself out, will be clear in 2.5 years and will have an abundance of income to play with, invest, save, etc… Also I’m more free than you are (though less than saturday) and that has an immense value to it, so yes I feel rich.

V[/quote]

You live in New York? I seriously doubt I out earn you, but I am not going to compare earnings with you. The dollar just goes further here in GA. When I can buy my Lamborghini LP 670 Super Veloce, then I’d figure I out earn most people.

My point is Europe is super expensive to live in because they have to pay for so many social programs. Most people live in apartments or small houses and have one car and maybe a scooter. There’s nothing wrong with that, but that’s not America. We can live like that, or we can live in many different ways because we have the economic ablity to do so. Europeans, wonderful folks, but don’t have such freedoms. Everything is more expensive, they are taxed more and they earn less, save for Luxembourg. Apparently all 20 people who live there are rich as hell.