[quote]ephrem wrote:
…welcome to the rest of the 1st world nations: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/Universal_Health_Care_World_Map.svg [/quote]
Yup its a tragedy.
Now noone is developing new drugs and treatments.
Well, maybe the Chinese will take their place.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…welcome to the rest of the 1st world nations: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/Universal_Health_Care_World_Map.svg [/quote]
Cool, now we have the respect of Holland! America, you finally made it!
mike
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The country is already bankrupt thanks to bleeding heart lowlifes like this guy.[/quote]
True obama in his infinate stupidity, added 2 trillion dollars to the national debt in one year. We’re going to be admiring the value of the cuban peso before long.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…welcome to the rest of the 1st world nations: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/Universal_Health_Care_World_Map.svg
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If we wanted to be like the rest of the fucking world we would have stayed British. We’re different because we wanted to be. I have been treated by the European system, it sucks ass compared to the treatment I get here. We payed more but it was better, by a huge margin. We needed fixes, but socializing it was not the way to do it.
We became the top economy in the world because we were different. It took 27 European economies to touch our one.
If “we join the rest of the world” we’re taking a hit. The American middle class if far richer than European middle class. You would have to be a millionaire in Europe to live like I do.
I love how people get on their high horse and preach about abortion.
I’m also loving the White Man tax: Plan for new tax rules. One of the earliest is a new 10% levy on indoor tanning services, starting in July, under the sidecar package.
And before you flame - I’m anti HCR. I work hard for my money and would like to keep it.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]John S. wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I heard someone yelled “baby killer” at Rep. Stupak, one of the most hardcore anti-abortion Dems around. Obviously whoever yelled it respects life, but what about the lives of the tens of thousands of Americans who die each year because they don’t have healthcare?[/quote]
ok i will bite, who is dying because they don’t have health care? Show me one person in America who can not go into an ER and get treated.[/quote]
This should adequately back up my previous assertion…
http://www.emaxhealth.com/128/21572.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/healthcare/2002-05-22-insurance-deaths.htm[/quote]
hmmm… Let’s do simple math, 1,200,000 > 45,000 per year.
How was the U.S. healthcare system socialized last night? It wasn’t. That’s just something you’ve heard people tell you. There’s no public option. Further, a public option would only bring about socialized healthcare if gov’t could out-compete the private sector…but gov’t is incompetent…AHHHH!!! THERE’S A BREAKDOWN IN MY FOX NEWS NARRATIVE! AHHH!!!
I don’t believe anyone disputes the need for “health care reform”. However this bill is the equivalent of killing a mosquito on your arm by stabbing it with a knife… sure you kill the insect but there are better options when killing one on your arm…
As far as the 35 million people who have no health care who will now have free access: why don’t we save 900 Billion dollars and just give each of them one million dollars to take care of their health needs for the remainder of their lives? Boom, we only spend 35 Million Dollars! After that allow interstate competition for health care coverage and now we are getting somewhere…
[quote]IronRhino wrote:
I don’t believe any one disputes the need for “health care reform”. However this bill is the equivalent of killing a mosquito on your arm by stabbing it with a knife… sure you kill the insect but there are better options when killing one on your arm…
As far as the 35 million people who have no health care who will now have free access: why don’t we save 900 Billion dollars and just give each of them one million dollars to take care of their health needs for the remainder of their lives? Boom, we only spend 35 Million Dollars! After that allow interstate competition for health care coverage and now we are getting somewhere…[/quote]
Good idea but 90% of them will be broke in 90 days (they are poor for a reason) and where will that leave us? Bleeding hearts will be working to get more money/reform and it still ends up costing you and me money.
[quote]IronRhino wrote:
I don’t believe anyone disputes the need for “health care reform”. However this bill is the equivalent of killing a mosquito on your arm by stabbing it with a knife… sure you kill the insect but there are better options when killing one on your arm…
As far as the 35 million people who have no health care who will now have free access: why don’t we save 900 Billion dollars and just give each of them one million dollars to take care of their health needs for the remainder of their lives? Boom, we only spend 35 Million Dollars! After that allow interstate competition for health care coverage and now we are getting somewhere…[/quote]
It would have been cheaper to buy them all the best insurance money can buy for over ten years.
Second, they did a terrible job and spent a trillion dollars to address 1/3 of the problem. Cost is the elephant in the room this motherfucker is going to drive prices through the roof so much that we will have no choice but to go into the government pool. The coverage will suck on top of that.
Any vets in here?
How is the VA Hospital? That’s the next step in Govt Healthcare.
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
a public option would only bring about socialized healthcare if gov’t could out-compete the private sector[/quote]
The gov’t doesn’t need to make a profit and can always print more money. Not so much the private corporation. Gov’t will always win that one.
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
How was the U.S. healthcare system socialized last night? It wasn’t. That’s just something you’ve heard people tell you. There’s no public option. Further, a public option would only bring about socialized healthcare if gov’t could out-compete the private sector…but gov’t is incompetent…AHHHH!!! THERE’S A BREAKDOWN IN MY FOX NEWS NARRATIVE! AHHH!!! [/quote]
No it’s not single payer, but it puts them in charge. So that dumb bitch who can’t get your license number right at the DMV is going to make your health decisions for you. It’s also going to drive my insurance coverage into the fucking stratosphere so eventually I’ll have no choice but to go with the dumb bitch at the DMV. Some how I’d rather be denied by Blue Cross than the dumb bitch at the DMV.
The gov. is going to out compete the private sector. This is a certainty.
This is not about getting people health care its about expanding government power. It always has been. Do you honestly think Nasty Pelosi gives a fuck about you?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Sorry, Charlie, but you’re required to turn in your “hardcore” merit badge when you vote for a bill that requires federal funding for elective abortions, executive orders to the contrary notwithstanding. You see, this bill is now the law of the land and Barackie the Magnificent can executively order until his floppy ears fall off and he can’t rescind the law of the land.
He simply caved; he’s a pussy. I respect the pro-abortion politician who stuck to his guns throughout the whole ordeal more than this equivocating bowl of jello.[/quote]
Fail. Show me one sentence of the Health Care Bill that says “elective abortions are required to be federally funded”
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Any vets in here?
How is the VA Hospital? That’s the next step in Govt Healthcare.[/quote]
My dad is a Vietnam vet who was exposed to agent orange, and has been thrilled with the support of the VA. In the 60’s he was advised to apply for disability due to the exposure, but never did because he was young and didn’t have any (at the time) major health effects, and saw too many people who had stepped on landmines to feel like he deserved any sort of federal disability. Fast forward 40 years, and the VA members championed his case and quickly pushed through a 70% disability case, even though he only filed for the minimum possible for his exposure (20%) to pay for his insulin.
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
How was the U.S. healthcare system socialized last night? It wasn’t. That’s just something you’ve heard people tell you. There’s no public option. Further, a public option would only bring about socialized healthcare if gov’t could out-compete the private sector…but gov’t is incompetent…AHHHH!!! THERE’S A BREAKDOWN IN MY FOX NEWS NARRATIVE! AHHH!!! [/quote]
The American health care system has been socialized for quite some time now.
It started with social security and medicare/medicaid.
[quote]borrek wrote:
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Any vets in here?
How is the VA Hospital? That’s the next step in Govt Healthcare.[/quote]
My dad is a Vietnam vet who was exposed to agent orange, and has been thrilled with the support of the VA. In the 60’s he was advised to apply for disability due to the exposure, but never did because he was young and didn’t have any (at the time) major health effects, and saw too many people who had stepped on landmines to feel like he deserved any sort of federal disability. Fast forward 40 years, and the VA members championed his case and quickly pushed through a 70% disability case, even though he only filed for the minimum possible for his exposure (20%) to pay for his insulin.[/quote]
Your dad’s story is one of the few positives I’ve every heard. I personally know three veterans of that war who have less than staller reviews of their experience with the VA.
[quote]John S. wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I heard someone yelled “baby killer” at Rep. Stupak, one of the most hardcore anti-abortion Dems around. Obviously whoever yelled it respects life, but what about the lives of the tens of thousands of Americans who die each year because they don’t have healthcare?[/quote]
ok i will bite, who is dying because they don’t have health care? Show me one person in America who can not go into an ER and get treated.[/quote]
The rising costs of healthcare are due in part to the practice of ER care. When people wait until they absolutely HAVE to be in a hospital they are usually told that the operations/medications/procedures/or stay in the hospital would have been much cheaper if they came at the first sign of symptoms. Healthcare is most efficiently conducted with periodical checkups rather than last second saves.
[quote]IronRhino wrote:
As far as the 35 million people who have no health care who will now have free access: why don’t we save 900 Billion dollars and just give each of them one million dollars to take care of their health needs for the remainder of their lives? Boom, we only spend 35 Million Dollars! [/quote]
35 million x 1 million = 35 trillion
[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Any vets in here?
How is the VA Hospital? That’s the next step in Govt Healthcare.[/quote]
I’ve got the ankles to prove how bad VA health care is. But hey, I’m going to speak to my VA rep about panic attacks today. Let’s see how this works out.
mike
