[quote]Matt McGorry wrote:
I don’t see why everyone is getting their panties in a bind.
-MAtt[/quote]
For me, because someone of experience and aptitude is allowing and participating in his friends risky lifting. Especially when well respected professionals have their names attached to him. To top it off, it’s out there for everyone to see.
I could care less about the thong and other shit.
[quote]on edge wrote:
Matt McGorry wrote:
I don’t see why everyone is getting their panties in a bind.
-MAtt
For me, because someone of experience and aptitude is allowing and participating in his friends risky lifting. Especially when well respected professionals have their names attached to him. To top it off, it’s out there for everyone to see.
I could care less about the thong and other shit.[/quote]
Fair enough.
-MAtt
[quote]on edge wrote:
Matt McGorry wrote:
I don’t see why everyone is getting their panties in a bind.
-MAtt
For me, because someone of experience and aptitude is allowing and participating in his friends risky lifting. Especially when well respected professionals have their names attached to him. To top it off, it’s out there for everyone to see.
I could care less about the thong and other shit.[/quote]
What, is he their fucking mom? Those kids know their form is shit. Anyone with a brain knows it. They’re three high school kids having a goof in the gym on a day when no one was lifting.
Practically every poster in this thread should be ordering anti-E’s right now. Jesus tittyfucking christ.
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For me, because someone of experience and aptitude is allowing and participating in his friends risky lifting. Especially when well respected professionals have their names attached to him. To top it off, it’s out there for everyone to see.
I could care less about the thong and other shit.[/quote]
I think this is a good example of the gap the internet provides.
Obviously this kid is athletic. However, much lip service has been paid to his strength level but when I watch his videos, his much lauded box squat is an ugly half squat at best and his GHR’s don’t even resemble the way the movement is supposed to be performed. In fact, I would struggle to call them a back raise.
Technique and basic presence in a training environment suggest a lot about the maturity and knowledge level of a lifter.
My thoughts would be that you are basically seeing a pretty accurate transfer of his overall knowledge and skill to the people he is influencing ie: his brother and these other kids.
[quote]on edge wrote:
I thought it was funny at first. Those kids are so weak, their form is so shitty and they are going for max singles and doubles??? [/quote]
What are your numbers?
How strong would a person have to be to pass your rigorous standards for who should and shouldn’t be attempting max singles.
Tell me if I am wrong but were they using a box? It looked to me like they were rocking off a box to gain some momentum. That is very dangerous!
[quote]shogunassassin wrote:
on edge wrote:
I thought it was funny at first. Those kids are so weak, their form is so shitty and they are going for max singles and doubles???
What are your numbers?
How strong would a person have to be to pass your rigorous standards for who should and shouldn’t be attempting max singles.
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Form is more important but a certain level of strength s/b acquired first. That level of strength would be individual, but since my wife could Squat 225 for reps, I think those kids should be a lot stronger than they are. Also, I don’t think the concept of Box Squats is really meant for max efforts. It’s a more of a speed/activation movement.
My lifts are nothing to brag about, I’d never put them on YouTube or anything, but in the spirit of disclosure; 385 x 3 and 365 x 6 are my best efforts.
[quote]on edge wrote:
shogunassassin wrote:
on edge wrote:
I thought it was funny at first. Those kids are so weak, their form is so shitty and they are going for max singles and doubles???
What are your numbers?
How strong would a person have to be to pass your rigorous standards for who should and shouldn’t be attempting max singles.
Form is more important but a certain level of strength s/b acquired first. That level of strength would be individual, but since my wife could Squat 225 for reps, I think those kids should be a lot stronger than they are. Also, I don’t think the concept of Box Squats is really meant for max efforts. It’s a more of a speed/activation movement.
My lifts are nothing to brag about, I’d never put them on YouTube or anything, but in the spirit of disclosure; 385 x 3 and 365 x 6 are my best efforts.[/quote]
Your wife is really strong! But you are kind of embarrassing yourself with the rest of your statements. The West Side method incorporates max box squats all the time! Also, the kids (well, at least Frank) are freakshow strong for their weight. I can assure you the numbers he is putting up are not common. I am not going to judge you by your numbers, but just based on your posts, you don’t know a whole lot about weightlifting.
i dont even know why anybody would be trying to descredit his lifts when they havent posted any videos of their own…ive seen a couple videos that are very impressive espcially the 120db split squats and the official 40" vertical…
and box squats can be used for max effort exercise…parallel or a low box…depending on your goals…
and honestly whats the point of filming some videos if you arent going to have fun doing it…
[quote]on edge wrote:
Form is more important but a certain level of strength s/b acquired first. That level of strength would be individual, but since my wife could Squat 225 for reps, I think those kids should be a lot stronger than they are. Also, I don’t think the concept of Box Squats is really meant for max efforts. It’s a more of a speed/activation movement.
My lifts are nothing to brag about, I’d never put them on YouTube or anything, but in the spirit of disclosure; 385 x 3 and 365 x 6 are my best efforts.[/quote]
I should hope your wife is somewhat more advanced in her training than are a couple of kids in high school. Furthermore, the kids who are lifting in the video didn’t post it, to my knowledge- I believe their cheerleader did.
As far as the poundage they were lifting, I recall Louie Simmons stating that one could max a regular squat at about 200 lbs more than they could do multiple sets of doubles. Cut that in half for these goofballs, and you’ve still got a decent poundage. Those kids are small, and they’re young.
Their form might suck, but that’ll come. No one starts out with awesome form on squats, especially not in high school. What they have is motivation, and that counts for a hell of a lot in a generation preoccupied with their XBoxes.
[quote]shogunassassin wrote:
I should hope your wife is somewhat more advanced in her training [/quote]
Exactly!
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the kids who are lifting in the video didn’t post it, to my knowledge- I believe their cheerleader did.[/quote]
I don’t know who posted, but if you are right, that’s part of my point.
No way. Those kids aren’t going from 250 to 450.
(I hope I didn’t butcher the quotes)
[quote]D Public wrote:
i dont even know why anybody would be trying to descredit his lifts when they havent posted any videos of their own…ive seen a couple videos that are very impressive espcially the 120db split squats and the official 40" vertical…
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Digital Air’s lifts and jumps are very impressive. It was his spotting and goofing that are not impressive.
I am 15 and most likely have the nicest full squat you have ever seen, ass to heals baby. I am working on full squatting 305x3 in a month and a half which is pretty good for my age ide say, most of my friends arnt even flexible enough to do a full squat with no weight, haha.
I dont see any young showoffs at the gym i go to, its a fairly close nit community. Almost always just regulars there, and if someone new comes we treat them nicely.
Those squats were ridiculous…
agreed…
im a fan of his videos so thats why i felt i had to say something…
hopefully he learns from this…and his freinds also learn to choose more apropriate weights…
[quote]shogunassassin wrote:
As far as the poundage they were lifting, I recall Louie Simmons stating that one could max a regular squat at about 200 lbs more than they could do multiple sets of doubles. Cut that in half for these goofballs, and you’ve still got a decent poundage. Those kids are small, and they’re young.
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YEah maybe if you’re going from raw doubles to fully geared contest singles. Not a hope in hell otherwise. I think you’re mis-quoting the article.
[quote]shogunassassin wrote:
Their form might suck, but that’ll come. No one starts out with awesome form on squats, especially not in high school. What they have is motivation, and that counts for a hell of a lot in a generation preoccupied with their XBoxes.
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I have to agree. I believe motivation was mentioned in “The Training Strategy Handbook” article. It counts for a hell of a lot. Also, how many of you can say that you never did anything stupid when you were younger? I know that I did some stupid stuff.
Hell, I was taught to half squat by my football coach, and I thought I was squatting correctly. I didn’t learn to do a full squat until I was 22, and a friend of mine told me I was doing it wrong. Just get off his nuts, and let him train. They will learn.
[quote]PaulR wrote:
Hell, I was taught to half squat by my football coach, and I thought I was squatting correctly. I didn’t learn to do a full squat until I was 22, and a friend of mine told me I was doing it wrong. Just get off his nuts, and let him train. They will learn.[/quote]
They will most likely learn but the reason everyone is riled up is because we don’t want the lesson that finally gets through to be a nasty injury.
Here is a good lesson: If you have great form you can move more weight.
thats our most recent workout
thats how most of our workouts look like during gym rush hours.
frank, matt, martin and i train with discipline, so what if we try to have a little fun and put the energy in there. psyching each other up and getting stronger together is what makes training so enjoyable for us.
we watch out for each other and take contrast showers together, as well foam roll totally nude after training. because of that we have stayed injury free, and dont plan on hurting ourselves anytime soon.
lastly we arent really teens anymore we are like 20 some yrs old now
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
thats our most recent workout
thats how most of our workouts look like.[/quote]
Much Better, I saw some decent front squating.