Teenagers Using T-Boosters

Nutrition
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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
BlakedaMan wrote:
I’m currently going to be a senior in high school and play sports where a lot of teenagers are using t boosters. Whenever the subject is brought up it’s almost taboo: adults with “knowledge” claim that at “this sensitive age” these kids are ruining their bodies natural capability to produce T and blah blah blah. I find this a very curious claim, especially when it comes to herbal T boosters such as Trib.

I have a lot of research about biology, anatomy, chemistry, etc. under my belt as I want to major in molec and cellular bio so I do have quite a bit of knowledge on hormones. Based on my knowledge, it seems counterintuitive to claim that a natural herb could have such an adverse effect, but none the less I took the claim into consideration since teenager’s, especially pubescent ones, have cery tricky hormonal profiles. A

nyways, I also have a fair bit of knowledge on past foreign culture and know that some cultures, especially primitive ones, are known to have consumed such roots as the source of Maca (from what I recall), another common T booster and had much higher T wihtout showing intelligible side effects.
I’m just curious to see what other people who are more experienced with hormones and have more pragmatic experience have to say.
Thanks for your input

You are a senior in HS but have a lot of “research under your belt”? What does that mean?

My recollection of HS was barely touching MCD bio, and I got a 5 on the AP bio test.

I think you should just listen to what the guys here have to say about screwing with your hormones at a young age. It doesn’t matter whether a chemical is “natural” or not. A chemical is a chemical and the side effects are what they are, regardless of whether or not it came from some plant.

Whatever hormones you ingest or inject may have an adverse effect on what your testicles/pituitary do, but I’m sure you already knew that. [/quote]

It’s funny that you assume that just because I’m 18 that I follow the “all knowing” mantra of most teenagers. I think I have acted pretty humble throughout this thread and have not a single time conceited to being more intelligent on the subject than anyone. I too have taken AP Bio and Chem and Anat and Phys and know they aren’t in depth. However, I do actually care about science take it upon myself to read as much as I can about advanced topics without depriving myself of a life with my friends.

I also have never said that I plan on taking a T booster because I already have high normal T according to blood tests and don’t have any need. I brought a topic here for discussion since this is a DISCUSSION BOARD, but instead of seeing my standpoint for what it is, you thought you’d throw insults at me for being young because my age undoubtedly makes it impossible for me to be knowledgeable beyond school given resources. Some people such as myslef actually care about learning and take it upon themselves to tap all possible resources.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
BlakedaMan wrote:
I’m currently going to be a senior in high school and play sports where a lot of teenagers are using t boosters. Whenever the subject is brought up it’s almost taboo: adults with “knowledge” claim that at “this sensitive age” these kids are ruining their bodies natural capability to produce T and blah blah blah. I find this a very curious claim, especially when it comes to herbal T boosters such as Trib.

I have a lot of research about biology, anatomy, chemistry, etc. under my belt as I want to major in molec and cellular bio so I do have quite a bit of knowledge on hormones. Based on my knowledge, it seems counterintuitive to claim that a natural herb could have such an adverse effect, but none the less I took the claim into consideration since teenager’s, especially pubescent ones, have cery tricky hormonal profiles. A

nyways, I also have a fair bit of knowledge on past foreign culture and know that some cultures, especially primitive ones, are known to have consumed such roots as the source of Maca (from what I recall), another common T booster and had much higher T wihtout showing intelligible side effects.
I’m just curious to see what other people who are more experienced with hormones and have more pragmatic experience have to say.
Thanks for your input

You are a senior in HS but have a lot of “research under your belt”? What does that mean?

My recollection of HS was barely touching MCD bio, and I got a 5 on the AP bio test.

I think you should just listen to what the guys here have to say about screwing with your hormones at a young age. It doesn’t matter whether a chemical is “natural” or not. A chemical is a chemical and the side effects are what they are, regardless of whether or not it came from some plant.

Whatever hormones you ingest or inject may have an adverse effect on what your testicles/pituitary do, but I’m sure you already knew that. [/quote]

Well said. I went to a high school that was built just to allow students early access into research and medicine by a fairly well known heart surgeon. I am sure I did more research before college than the OP and it still wasn’t enough to be forming conclusions on my own at that age.

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[quote]BlakedaMan wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
BlakedaMan wrote:
I’m currently going to be a senior in high school and play sports where a lot of teenagers are using t boosters. Whenever the subject is brought up it’s almost taboo: adults with “knowledge” claim that at “this sensitive age” these kids are ruining their bodies natural capability to produce T and blah blah blah. I find this a very curious claim, especially when it comes to herbal T boosters such as Trib.

I have a lot of research about biology, anatomy, chemistry, etc. under my belt as I want to major in molec and cellular bio so I do have quite a bit of knowledge on hormones. Based on my knowledge, it seems counterintuitive to claim that a natural herb could have such an adverse effect, but none the less I took the claim into consideration since teenager’s, especially pubescent ones, have cery tricky hormonal profiles. A

nyways, I also have a fair bit of knowledge on past foreign culture and know that some cultures, especially primitive ones, are known to have consumed such roots as the source of Maca (from what I recall), another common T booster and had much higher T wihtout showing intelligible side effects.
I’m just curious to see what other people who are more experienced with hormones and have more pragmatic experience have to say.
Thanks for your input

You are a senior in HS but have a lot of “research under your belt”? What does that mean?

My recollection of HS was barely touching MCD bio, and I got a 5 on the AP bio test.

I think you should just listen to what the guys here have to say about screwing with your hormones at a young age. It doesn’t matter whether a chemical is “natural” or not. A chemical is a chemical and the side effects are what they are, regardless of whether or not it came from some plant.

Whatever hormones you ingest or inject may have an adverse effect on what your testicles/pituitary do, but I’m sure you already knew that.

It’s funny that you assume that just because I’m 18 that I follow the “all knowing” mantra of most teenagers. I think I have acted pretty humble throughout this thread and have not a single time conceited to being more intelligent on the subject than anyone. I too have taken AP Bio and Chem and Anat and Phys and know they aren’t in depth. However, I do actually care about science take it upon myself to read as much as I can about advanced topics without depriving myself of a life with my friends.

I also have never said that I plan on taking a T booster because I already have high normal T according to blood tests and don’t have any need. I brought a topic here for discussion since this is a DISCUSSION BOARD, but instead of seeing my standpoint for what it is, you thought you’d throw insults at me for being young because my age undoubtedly makes it impossible for me to be knowledgeable beyond school given resources. Some people such as myslef actually care about learning and take it upon themselves to tap all possible resources.

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What he wrote wasn’t an insult. It is simply truth. You aren’t speaking to a bunch of air heads either.

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I know I’m not speaking to airheads that’s why I’m listening to all you’re guys’ input, and why I brought the question here in the first place. I think you can agree that I’ve listened and haven’t said anyone was wrong at all in their opinion, but since we’re discussing I’m just putting out ideas.

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[quote]BlakedaMan wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
BlakedaMan wrote:
I’m currently going to be a senior in high school and play sports where a lot of teenagers are using t boosters. Whenever the subject is brought up it’s almost taboo: adults with “knowledge” claim that at “this sensitive age” these kids are ruining their bodies natural capability to produce T and blah blah blah. I find this a very curious claim, especially when it comes to herbal T boosters such as Trib.

I have a lot of research about biology, anatomy, chemistry, etc. under my belt as I want to major in molec and cellular bio so I do have quite a bit of knowledge on hormones. Based on my knowledge, it seems counterintuitive to claim that a natural herb could have such an adverse effect, but none the less I took the claim into consideration since teenager’s, especially pubescent ones, have cery tricky hormonal profiles. A

nyways, I also have a fair bit of knowledge on past foreign culture and know that some cultures, especially primitive ones, are known to have consumed such roots as the source of Maca (from what I recall), another common T booster and had much higher T wihtout showing intelligible side effects.
I’m just curious to see what other people who are more experienced with hormones and have more pragmatic experience have to say.
Thanks for your input

You are a senior in HS but have a lot of “research under your belt”? What does that mean?

My recollection of HS was barely touching MCD bio, and I got a 5 on the AP bio test.

I think you should just listen to what the guys here have to say about screwing with your hormones at a young age. It doesn’t matter whether a chemical is “natural” or not. A chemical is a chemical and the side effects are what they are, regardless of whether or not it came from some plant.

Whatever hormones you ingest or inject may have an adverse effect on what your testicles/pituitary do, but I’m sure you already knew that.

It’s funny that you assume that just because I’m 18 that I follow the “all knowing” mantra of most teenagers. I think I have acted pretty humble throughout this thread and have not a single time conceited to being more intelligent on the subject than anyone. I too have taken AP Bio and Chem and Anat and Phys and know they aren’t in depth. However, I do actually care about science take it upon myself to read as much as I can about advanced topics without depriving myself of a life with my friends.

I also have never said that I plan on taking a T booster because I already have high normal T according to blood tests and don’t have any need. I brought a topic here for discussion since this is a DISCUSSION BOARD, but instead of seeing my standpoint for what it is, you thought you’d throw insults at me for being young because my age undoubtedly makes it impossible for me to be knowledgeable beyond school given resources. Some people such as myslef actually care about learning and take it upon themselves to tap all possible resources.

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I wasn’t insulting you. I was just giving you a perspective of someone 10 years older than you.

Even when I graduated college, I still didn’t have the slightest feeling I knew what the hell I was talking about with respect to my particular field.

As a general rule, the grayer the person’s beard in a particular field, the more they know and the more experience they have. Just reading simply can’t provide the knowledge gained by doing (which builds the extremely valuable intuition), especially in scientific and engineering fields because you need a lot of expensive equipment to get “hands on” experience.

You’ll know all this in time though.

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You might be interested in this study…

Tribulus terrestris is an herbal nutritional supplement that is promoted to produce large gains in strength and lean muscle mass in 5-28 days (15, 18).

Although some manufacturers claim T. terrestris will not lead to a positive drug test, others have suggested that T. terrestris may increase the urinary testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) ratio, which may place athletes at risk of a positive drug test.

The purpose of the study was to determine the effect of T. terrestris on strength, fat free mass, and the urinary T/E ratio during 5 weeks of preseason training in elite rugby league players. Twenty-two Australian elite male rugby league players (mean +/- SD; age = 19.8 +/- 2.9 years; weight = 88.0 +/- 9.5 kg) were match-paired and randomly assigned in a double-blind manner to either a T. terrestris (n = 11) or placebo (n = 11) group.

All subjects performed structured heavy resistance training as part of the club’s preseason preparations. A T. terrestris extract (450 mg.d(-1)) or placebo capsules were consumed once daily for 5 weeks. Muscular strength, body composition, and the urinary T/E ratio were monitored prior to and after supplementation.

After 5 weeks of training, strength and fat free mass increased significantly without any between-group differences. No between-group differences were noted in the urinary T/E ratio. It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days.

Furthermore, T. terrestris did not alter the urinary T/E ratio and would not place an athlete at risk of testing positive based on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s urinary T/E ratio limit of 4:1.

Taken off PubMed
School of Exercise Science and Sport Management, Southern Cross University Lismore, New South Wales, Australia. srogerson10@bigpond.com

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When I was in high school, one of the better baseball players got “busted” by the librarian for having “crack cocaine” in a plastic bag.

It was creatine, before the micronized products started to hit hard.

Anyway, in high school, the t-boosters will make no difference, beyond the psychological (I’m on 'roids, son, you just don’t KNOW!) effect. At that level, regardless of the “hype” of the T-boosting products, no matter the efficacy of the Xyience commercials, t.t. products are worthless at that age, barring certain scenarios (living near a chemical plant, poorly-run “farm,” over-prescription of mood-altering medications, etc).