Ok, anyone interested in helping me out please do. I’m a simple kid and although i don’t know all the technical and biological shit, i know how to train hard and be dedicated to lifting. I however need some support on a lifting plan, I work construction and lift everyday at 4pm. I just purchased Alpha Male, ZMA, HOT-ROX, Surge, and Power Drive. I didnt bother with M after reading like 2 hours of threads. I also have some cell-tech from my football coach and was wondering if that can be used in the whole package since i personally like it. I have good genetics and take real good to all supplements but need help on how to actually go about taking them not so much using them as directed but using them in conjuction with other supplements and such. Thanks for your time whoever read this and actually takes time to reply to me.
If you’re a “kid” you shouldnt be using any of that stuff except Surge and Power Drive. Not HOT-ROX, ZMA, and especially not Alpha Male.
You’re young (kid?), you have enough T in your body to get what you want as long as you eat right (most importantly) and train right.
You better hope you dont start another XcelticX thread again with the “I’m very dedicated and know how to train.”
Listen to the guys on this site, they know what theyre talking about. They know alot more than you and me.
I’d say that the HOT-ROX and ZMA shouldn’t be a problem.
Why’d you go out and buy so many sups at once? I personally like to take one at a time (at least at first) to find out what they actually do for my body.
I said kid because im only 20, and thats pretty young to me. I realise that the people on this site have way more knowledge then me on this subject, thus why i have posted a thread asking for help not critism.
At 20 you are already taking Alpha Male???
[quote]Bloom_Dude64 wrote:
thus why i have posted a thread asking for help not critism.[/quote]
Taking Alpha Male, and other T boosters will do you more harm then good. Your body should already be producing tons of hormones, dont play with boosters as yet. That is not criticism it is help.
As for your stacking supps together. Go ahead they are not counter productive to each other.
Use the Power Drive pre workout, use the Surge and celltech after workout. Use ZMA before bed and M in the morning.
HOT-ROX is for losing fat. You’re not fat, are you?
what age would you consider proper for taking Alpha Male? what would it hurt by taking it sooner?
I’ll make it product specific
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ZMA before bed on an empty stomach. if you are going to drink a shake pre-bedtime, take your ZMA 30-60 minutes beforehand.
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Surge is a terrific supplement. A good idea would be to sip half of a serving during your workout, and slam the other half as you’re walking out of the gym.
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The Cell-Tech serving size probably says two scoops, but one would be better. You don’t need 75 grams of sugar, especially after you drink Surge. Also, 5 grams of creatine is plenty. Take this within the first half hour after your workout; it will prevent a rapid drop in blood sugar after the Surge has “had its say.”
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HOT-ROX is a great supplement, but if you aren’t interested in dieting, then save them. If you are planning to diet, then you could still take them, even with all the post workout carbs. For a diet, look around the site, there are plenty.
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Alpha Male would also be fine to take along with all these others. I am also twenty and have read nothing that would deter me from taking a Test booster at my age. This coupled with the ZMA will really boost those T levels.
Most importantly, remember that all these are just supplements to your training, diet, and sleep. I would also advise staying away from alcohol while taking the Alpha Male, as drinking greatly reduces testosterone levels. You wouldn’t see as good of a result.
Oh yeah, and Power Drive 30 min before your workout.
[quote]samsmarts wrote:
Bloom_Dude64 wrote:
thus why i have posted a thread asking for help not critism.
Taking Alpha Male, and other T boosters will do you more harm then good. Your body should already be producing tons of hormones, dont play with boosters as yet. That is not criticism it is help.
As for your stacking supps together. Go ahead they are not counter productive to each other.
Use the Power Drive pre workout, use the Surge and celltech after workout. Use ZMA before bed and M in the morning.
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So he shouldn’t take testosterone boosters. But he should take ZMA and M, which are both testosterone boosters?
Also, I would like to know if there is evidence that a T booster would be harmful.
[quote]samsmarts wrote:
Taking Alpha Male, and other T boosters will do you more harm then good. Your body should already be producing tons of hormones, dont play with boosters as yet. That is not criticism it is help.[/quote]
This is nonsense.
Why would it not be beneficial for someone 20 years of age to increase endogenous T production? Does anyone here even know what his T level is? Of course not, so it doesn’t make sense to continue with this myth that increasing endogenous T at his age is unproductive or even dangerous.
Besides, at least one of the university studies on TRIBEX showed a benefit with collegiate males.
good to hear its no problem, cause i’m 22 and i’ve been taking Alpha Male about 8 weeks now. would definately recommend it. at the 4 week mark I paired it with Carbolin 19 and it has really taken my physique to another level. glad to hear theres nothing wrong.
[quote]Mr. Bear wrote:
samsmarts wrote:
Bloom_Dude64 wrote:
thus why i have posted a thread asking for help not critism.
Taking Alpha Male, and other T boosters will do you more harm then good. Your body should already be producing tons of hormones, dont play with boosters as yet. That is not criticism it is help.
As for your stacking supps together. Go ahead they are not counter productive to each other.
Use the Power Drive pre workout, use the Surge and celltech after workout. Use ZMA before bed and M in the morning.
So he shouldn’t take testosterone boosters. But he should take ZMA and M, which are both testosterone boosters?
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He already bought em, hence i told em how to use them. However if you noticed i told him not to use the most powerful of Test boosters, Alpha Male. M would help him prevent his already high levels of Test from turning into estrogen. ZMA doesnt boost T levels anywhere near what Alpha Male does, and if he really wants to start increasing his body’s T levels, ZMA might be the best starting tool.
As for side effects. I can not safely sit here and tell you they will be harmful for you or him. Simply because i dont know what your current hormone levels are and the amount/activity of receptor(A molecular structure or site on the surface or interior of a cell that binds with substances such as hormones, antigens, drugs, or neurotransmitters) sites are.
If you notice:
You get acne easily lay of the boosters. If you are very pornde to DHT related side effects, such as hair loss up top, increased body hair else where, oily patches, etc. Lay off the boosters. If you have noticed symptoms of estrogen related side effects in the past such as bitch tits, testicular shutdown, etc go for the M.
Is it safe or not depends on the person. Get your blood work done and find out if something like Alpha Male will do you much good.
Remember at 20 your bodys hormone levels should already be very high.
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
samsmarts wrote:
Taking Alpha Male, and other T boosters will do you more harm then good. Your body should already be producing tons of hormones, dont play with boosters as yet. That is not criticism it is help.
This is nonsense.
Why would it not be beneficial for someone 20 years of age to increase endogenous T production? Does anyone here even know what his T level is? Of course not, so it doesn’t make sense to continue with this myth that increasing endogenous T at his age is unproductive or even dangerous.
Besides, at least one of the university studies on TRIBEX showed a benefit with collegiate males.[/quote]
Do you know what his hormone levels are? No. So what if his T, LH, etc levels are already above average? Why do you defend he use three different Test boosters? Cant he already like many other 20 year olds be in a stage of hormonal influx? He already said he is making good gains easily, why encourage him to take three different supplements all aimed at aiding his hormone production while he might not even have a deficiency in producing those hormones?
[quote]samsmarts wrote:
ChrisKing wrote:
samsmarts wrote:
Taking Alpha Male, and other T boosters will do you more harm then good. Your body should already be producing tons of hormones, dont play with boosters as yet. That is not criticism it is help.
This is nonsense.
Why would it not be beneficial for someone 20 years of age to increase endogenous T production? Does anyone here even know what his T level is? Of course not, so it doesn’t make sense to continue with this myth that increasing endogenous T at his age is unproductive or even dangerous.
Besides, at least one of the university studies on TRIBEX showed a benefit with collegiate males.
Do you know what his hormone levels are? No. So what if his T, LH, etc levels are already above average? Why do you defend he use three different Test boosters? Cant he already like many other 20 year olds be in a stage of hormonal influx? He already said he is making good gains easily, why encourage him to take three different supplements all aimed at aiding his hormone production while he might not even have a deficiency in producing those hormones?
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First of all, if you read the post, you would know that he isn’t taking M. But if you knew as much as you think you do, you would know that M is a compound in Alpha Male, as it is a combination of RED KAT, TRIBEX, and M.
Most people who make easy gains still supplement, and I doubt many people take Alpha Male simply because they have a deficiency.
Well, this is exactly what i wanted, some good ole fashion advice! Thx alot for your opinions and thoughts. I know 20 is young for T boosters so im going to use one bottle as an experiment to see if it wil be productive or counterproductive due to my age and current T levels.
So let me get this straight, Power Drive for preworkout, then sip on Surge and slam while leaving gym, half a serving of celltech, the Alpha Male (without M correct, since Vitex or whatever is in Alpha Male) as directed, and ZMA on empty stomach before bed? And perhaps try to keep away from alchol.
I am dieting so i will use HOT-ROX as directed and all this will be done while eating right and 12 8 hounce glasses of water a day. I think thats what i got out of all the advice if im incorrect let me know, thanks alot again to everyone!
Dude if dieting totally skip celltech. The carb to creatine ratio in it isnt something you look for while dieting down.
Use your celltech again when gaining. Besides that you look all set.
[quote]samsmarts wrote:
At 20 you are already taking Alpha Male???
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By his early 20’s, Arnold was already taking steroids.
[quote]samsmarts wrote:
Dude if dieting totally skip celltech. The carb to creatine ratio in it isnt something you look for while dieting down.
Use your celltech again when gaining. Besides that you look all set.[/quote]
I would actually agree with this also, because that would be about 78 grams of sugar when combined with Surge. The Surge is fine when dieting, though.