Teen Pregnancy Drops as Planned Parenthood Vanishes

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
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hum, let’s see:

Republicans want government funding out of planned parenthood. Therefore government out of her uterus.

Republicans don’t support the “free” birth control mandated by government, therefore government out of the uterus…

Hmmm, seems like that silly little cartoon is a load of disingenuous bullshit. Didn’t expect anything better pitt… [/quote]

The Republicans support the right of an employer to force their religious views on their employees . If the employer does not believe in birth control , than no birth control .

That in it’s self is the best reason to take Insurance out of the hands of employers [/quote]

So I get it, you WANT government involved in your (proverbial you) uterus, and this picture is just a blatant misrepresentation of fact used for propaganda then?

I mean, god forbid the employee go work for a company who’s culture they agree with… Noooooooooo We need government to force people to have certain religious views…

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
:)[/quote]

hum, let’s see:

Republicans want government funding out of planned parenthood. Therefore government out of her uterus.

Republicans don’t support the “free” birth control mandated by government, therefore government out of the uterus…

Hmmm, seems like that silly little cartoon is a load of disingenuous bullshit. Didn’t expect anything better pitt… [/quote]

The Republicans support the right of an employer to force their religious views on their employees . If the employer does not believe in birth control , than no birth control .

That in it’s self is the best reason to take Insurance out of the hands of employers [/quote]

No. Employers, based on religious views, don’t have to PAY for Birth Control. Their employees are free to walk into Wal-Mart and buy a pack of condoms like everyone else.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
That in it’s self is the best reason to take Insurance out of the hands of employers [/quote]

Are you willing to pay 100% of your health insurance cost?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
:)[/quote]

hum, let’s see:

Republicans want government funding out of planned parenthood. Therefore government out of her uterus.

Republicans don’t support the “free” birth control mandated by government, therefore government out of the uterus…

Hmmm, seems like that silly little cartoon is a load of disingenuous bullshit. Didn’t expect anything better pitt… [/quote]

The Republicans support the right of an employer to force their religious views on their employees . If the employer does not believe in birth control , than no birth control .

That in it’s self is the best reason to take Insurance out of the hands of employers [/quote]

No. Employers, based on religious views, don’t have to PAY for Birth Control. Their employees are free to walk into Wal-Mart and buy a pack of condoms like everyone else. [/quote]
This argument is absolute bullshit.

The USA really is a fucked up place.

The employer should have no right to dictate their fanciful idiocy of their imaginary friends onto the actions or lives of anyone else.

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[quote]cryogen wrote:

The employer should have no right to dictate their fanciful idiocy of their imaginary friends onto the actions or lives of anyone else. [/quote]

They can lay everyone off if they want and close shop. Which would you prefer?

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]

No a sperm is a child. I name all of mine.[/quote]

Your photo album must take up entire rooms of your house then…[/quote]

When your sperm is as pretty as mine, you make room.[/quote]

we agree :slight_smile:
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So Pitt you have seen Pat’s sperm? Is there something you are not telling us? lol
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I’d have to give him a facial and that just wouldn’t be pretty, but it would be an up close view…[/quote]

you so called conservatives are surprising me . Dmad is constantly inquiring on my sexual orientation and pat has homo erotic fantasies about me . I will tell you both so I no longer tease your dicks . I am straight , sorry guys
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Damn…

The only reason your surprised is because of your own bias. “Conservatives” are just people. And we might by some miracle have a sense of humor too.

I am a deadhead for crying out loud, having conservative beliefs are based on reflection, examination of logic and facts. I am against abortion, for instance, because the logic and reason leads me to no other conclusion that a human life, the species of homosapian is created as new, unique and complete human being at the point of conception. There is NO evidence contrary to this. There is no logic that can be derived that would entail the new creature is anything other than a complete, unique, automous homosapien, unique from the host and the donor.
Since that is the case and I believe that killing human beings is morally wrong, I have no choice but to be against abortion. It’s where the evidence leads and that’s what I am going to follow.[/quote]

I think the definition of conservative is a whole new threads . I will say I think I am more conservative than the majority on this site . Conserving one’s money or environment or assets is what (I) believe conservative is all about . Not whether you choose to do away with some cells that could become a person
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The cells are already a person. You have failed to prove differently. You’ve brought nothing, no evidence to the contrary.[/quote]

They are definitely not a person. Fundamentally, just because you claim it to be, doesn’t make it true, and nor does it force the burden of proof away from your position. There is a significant amount of evidence to the contrary, but it seems that your idiotic beliefs mean that you’ve already decided the outcome, and you’re trying to make the evidence fit, and cherry picking only the evidence that suits your conclusion.

Calling an embryo autonomous is so stupid it is surprising that you’re able to find the on button on your computer.

Lets not forget that your ability to apply logic and reason is clearly flawed due to your farcical beliefs in sky fairies and afterlives.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

Meanwhile, eighteen thousand children starved to death today.

Cheers.
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Maybe all Americans should give them 20% of there money? When I say All Americans I mean even the Welfare recipients that have plenty of money to buy their own food.
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When you say “all Americans” do you mean American citizens? American residents? American corporations? All-American college football, basketball and baseball players?

When you say “should give”, do you mean payment enforced by law, or donation encouraged by appeals to conscience?

When you say “20% of there money” (sic) do you mean gross income? Net income? Net worth?

Collected by whom? How? Distributed to whom? Where?

I don’t think you’ve thought this through.

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Aaaaaand another eighteen thousand children, undeniably human persons, safely on the outside of the birth canal, spared the horrors of abortion because abortion is illegal in the countries of their birth, starved to death today.

Oh, well.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
That in it’s self is the best reason to take Insurance out of the hands of employers [/quote]

Are you willing to pay 100% of your health insurance cost? [/quote]

I do

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
:)[/quote]

hum, let’s see:

Republicans want government funding out of planned parenthood. Therefore government out of her uterus.

Republicans don’t support the “free” birth control mandated by government, therefore government out of the uterus…

Hmmm, seems like that silly little cartoon is a load of disingenuous bullshit. Didn’t expect anything better pitt… [/quote]

The Republicans support the right of an employer to force their religious views on their employees . If the employer does not believe in birth control , than no birth control .

That in it’s self is the best reason to take Insurance out of the hands of employers [/quote]

No. Employers, based on religious views, don’t have to PAY for Birth Control. Their employees are free to walk into Wal-Mart and buy a pack of condoms like everyone else. [/quote]

I think you better check your facts

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:

The employer should have no right to dictate their fanciful idiocy of their imaginary friends onto the actions or lives of anyone else. [/quote]

They can lay everyone off if they want and close shop. Which would you prefer?
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Probably close shop , some one else would fill the void

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[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
:)[/quote]

hum, let’s see:

Republicans want government funding out of planned parenthood. Therefore government out of her uterus.

Republicans don’t support the “free” birth control mandated by government, therefore government out of the uterus…

Hmmm, seems like that silly little cartoon is a load of disingenuous bullshit. Didn’t expect anything better pitt… [/quote]

The Republicans support the right of an employer to force their religious views on their employees . If the employer does not believe in birth control , than no birth control .

That in it’s self is the best reason to take Insurance out of the hands of employers [/quote]

No. Employers, based on religious views, don’t have to PAY for Birth Control. Their employees are free to walk into Wal-Mart and buy a pack of condoms like everyone else. [/quote]
This argument is absolute bullshit.

The USA really is a fucked up place.

The employer should have no right to dictate their fanciful idiocy of their imaginary friends onto the actions or lives of anyone else. [/quote]

They aren’t.

It is their money. Why should employers be forced to use their money to pay for something they are againsts.

https://www.google.com/search?q=walmart+condoms&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=#q=walmart+condoms&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&tbm=shop

That was pretty simple…

[quote]cryogen wrote:
The USA really is a fucked up place. [/quote]

Have you even been here or are you basing this off Al Jazeera America & The Wire?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
That in it’s self is the best reason to take Insurance out of the hands of employers [/quote]

Are you willing to pay 100% of your health insurance cost? [/quote]

I do
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Are you self employeed? Do you utilize the Small Business Health Care Tax Credit?

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Small-Business-Health-Care-Tax-Credit-for-Small-Employers

For the record, I have no problem with employers getting out of Health Insurance. I you will likely not see an increase in wages (remember this is part of your salary) to compensate though.

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[quote]cryogen wrote:
The employer should have no right to dictate their fanciful idiocy of their imaginary friends onto the actions or lives of anyone else. [/quote]

Lol, translation:

I don’t believe something so it must not be true; therefore, no one else can believe said thing or live their life in accordance with said thing.

You are free to do what you want as long as it is in line with my views. The definition of European freedom right there.

You want to offer free birth control to your employees, here ya go:

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Aaaaaand another eighteen thousand children, undeniably human persons, safely on the outside of the birth canal, spared the horrors of abortion because abortion is illegal in the countries of their birth, starved to death today.

Oh, well.
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Varq this is way to simplistic a view for you. Do you really think those of us against abortion don’t want to help these children also?

So there is no confusion. It is not okay that these children starve to death especially if something can be done about it. It is also NOT okay to suck thousands of children out of the womb.

Are you taking the Pitt stance, it would be better for these 18,000 children to be aborted than to starve?

I did not vet the list:

If they are accurate, pick one and feed these kids for a year.

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This one in particular:

14.A GAO audit found that 95 Pentagon weapons systems suffered from a combined $295 billion in cost overruns.

Is pretty lame…

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:

The employer should have no right to dictate their fanciful idiocy of their imaginary friends onto the actions or lives of anyone else. [/quote]

They can lay everyone off if they want and close shop. Which would you prefer?
[/quote]

Probably close shop , some one else would fill the void [/quote]

Maybe.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
:)[/quote]

hum, let’s see:

Republicans want government funding out of planned parenthood. Therefore government out of her uterus.

Republicans don’t support the “free” birth control mandated by government, therefore government out of the uterus…

Hmmm, seems like that silly little cartoon is a load of disingenuous bullshit. Didn’t expect anything better pitt… [/quote]

The Republicans support the right of an employer to force their religious views on their employees . If the employer does not believe in birth control , than no birth control .

That in it’s self is the best reason to take Insurance out of the hands of employers [/quote]

No. Employers, based on religious views, don’t have to PAY for Birth Control. Their employees are free to walk into Wal-Mart and buy a pack of condoms like everyone else. [/quote]
This argument is absolute bullshit.

The USA really is a fucked up place.

The employer should have no right to dictate their fanciful idiocy of their imaginary friends onto the actions or lives of anyone else. [/quote]

They aren’t.

It is their money. Why should employers be forced to use their money to pay for something they are againsts.

https://www.google.com/search?q=walmart+condoms&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=#q=walmart+condoms&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&tbm=shop

That was pretty simple…

[quote]cryogen wrote:
The USA really is a fucked up place. [/quote]

Have you even been here or are you basing this off Al Jazeera America & The Wire?
[/quote]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/on-faith/wp/2013/05/23/the-courts-birth-control-and-phony-claims-of-religious-liberty/

It is a point the Republicans were all over . Now I understand it only Churches can do it . Probably on effects School Teachers and Nurses

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Aaaaaand another eighteen thousand children, undeniably human persons, safely on the outside of the birth canal, spared the horrors of abortion because abortion is illegal in the countries of their birth, starved to death today.

Oh, well.
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Varq this is way to simplistic a view for you. [/quote]

It is a simple fact, not a simplistic view. Most victims of starvation are children, and by and large they live in overpopulated countries where abortion is illegal. Facts have no moral viewpoint, they just are.

I have no idea what your stance is about starving children in undeveloped countries, as I’ve never heard one word or another about it from you or Pat or Knuckledragger. But that could be just that I haven’t been paying attention.

“Not okay”. Hmm. All right. That’s a pretty withering indictment of the situation.

Not necessarily, but one does wonder how many of these children, if they are indeed old enough to form such thoughts, as they are going through the final throes of starvation–and if you have never gone for weeks without food, you have no idea what a terrible, painful death this is–how many of these children fervently wished never to have been born. Surely a parent, watching his or her child wither and slowly die, screaming, must wish that the child had never been born, so that it might have been spared such a fate. Which would you say is the better death, if those are the only two choices?

[quote]I did not vet the list:

If they are accurate, pick one and feed these kids for a year.[/quote]

Of course I personally have no way of doing anything about government waste, and even if I did, throwing money at starving children in foreign countries won’t keep them from starving. The logistics of getting food to starving people is an exponentially bigger problem than buying the food in the first place.

And feeding them for a year is only going to delay their starvation for another year.

Nope, if you have billions of dollars lying around, you might try going to these countries and dig irrigation wells, teach them modern gardening and farming techniques, and teach them how to control the size of their families so that the surplus children don’t starve. But these things take time, and Americans have very short attention spans. And all those billions need to be spent on defending our way of life, after all.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:

The employer should have no right to dictate their fanciful idiocy of their imaginary friends onto the actions or lives of anyone else. [/quote]

They can lay everyone off if they want and close shop. Which would you prefer?
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Probably close shop , some one else would fill the void [/quote]

Maybe.[/quote]

Probably