[quote]TSpoon wrote:
As a citizen of a Country where the right to carry a gun wasn’t the second most important thing on our founder’s minds when they wrote up our constitution,I can’t say that I have experience with this mindset of a constant need to defend myself.I can however,put myself in the shoes of the kid in the video from an unbiased point of veiw.About a week ago a teacher at my high school repeatedly shoved one of my buddies for blowing a goal horn during a ball-hockey game.A year or so past a teacher swung at a kid (in a law class none the less) for throwing bits of eraser a him.While the teacher in the video is obviously not that kind of ass-hole(it says she was voted teacher of the year last year)there were definately other options for her to pursue. Many of you have stated that she “was backed into a corner,up against a door”.she could’ve OPENED the DOOR and left the class room to get help from more capable teachers.she also could’ve pushed him back instead punching him twice in the face.
It says in the article that the kid licked a window.WTF? if you silly americans weren’t so concerned with beating your kids you might realize that there is something wrong with this kid.he needs to see a doctor.going back to those examples of teacher induced violence i mentioned earlier,the kid has probably developped a very anti-authority figure attitude from past experiences with douche-bag teachers who didn’t do much to help him with his problems.sorry to go on for so long but it seems like most of you can’t see the real problem here.kids all over the world have new mental health sicknesses(not helped by getting your face kicked in by your parents-hhmmmm aren’t you brave eh ?)and problems that old fashioned teachers can’t deal with appropriately.she’s 64,its time she retires.[/quote]
When you are no longer 14, and actually develop some life experiences, you might develop a different view…
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
As a citizen of a Country where the right to carry a gun wasn’t the second most important thing on our founder’s minds when they wrote up our constitution,I can’t say that I have experience with this mindset of a constant need to defend myself.I can however,put myself in the shoes of the kid in the video from an unbiased point of veiw.About a week ago a teacher at my high school repeatedly shoved one of my buddies for blowing a goal horn during a ball-hockey game.A year or so past a teacher swung at a kid (in a law class none the less) for throwing bits of eraser a him.While the teacher in the video is obviously not that kind of ass-hole(it says she was voted teacher of the year last year)there were definately other options for her to pursue. Many of you have stated that she “was backed into a corner,up against a door”.she could’ve OPENED the DOOR and left the class room to get help from more capable teachers.she also could’ve pushed him back instead punching him twice in the face.
It says in the article that the kid licked a window.WTF? if you silly americans weren’t so concerned with beating your kids you might realize that there is something wrong with this kid.he needs to see a doctor.going back to those examples of teacher induced violence i mentioned earlier,the kid has probably developped a very anti-authority figure attitude from past experiences with douche-bag teachers who didn’t do much to help him with his problems.sorry to go on for so long but it seems like most of you can’t see the real problem here.kids all over the world have new mental health sicknesses(not helped by getting your face kicked in by your parents-hhmmmm aren’t you brave eh ?)and problems that old fashioned teachers can’t deal with appropriately.she’s 64,its time she retires.[/quote]
I’m a left-wing pro-gun control Canadian woman and I’m agreeing that this woman has a right to defend herself against her students. If the student needs help, then that can and should be dealt with but at the brief moment where she is being threatened she absolutely MUST be able to protect herself first and foremost.
Besides, other than a small cut on the kids lip, what suffering did he endure for the traumatic violation he imposed on this women just trying to do her job? He probably walked away and laughed it off while the teacher’s life as a teacher will never be the same.
ProfessorX Wrote :I would say that he needs some real discipline and parenting up from ages 0-18 and that would eliminate the need for acting like all these kids need is more medication. You see a counselor after the damage is already done…and it is unlikely it will be truly fixed at that point.
You PREVENT it by not raising your kids to act like this in the first place.
Why would this automatically be a medical issue?
On what grounds did you make that medical diagnosis?
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I didn’t make a medical diagnosis,it’s just my opinion.If the first 15 years of the kid’s life were spent getting beat-up by his parents(as most of the posters on this thread seem to get joy from doing) then it would make it a medical issue because the kid is scarred for life.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
White flash, you talk a lot of shit about how “fat” I am for a guy who doesn’t look like he could move my warm up weight out of the way.
I won’t be as ridiculous as to post your picture here…but please, quit talking shit about me until you build some actual muscles.[/quote]
Haha, ok. You’re talking shit to a guy who’s made money being photographed for his body. Have fun with those warm up weights doc.[/quote]
Hold up…someone PAID you to look like that?
LO fucking for the love of L
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
if you silly americans weren’t so concerned with beating your kids you might realize that there is something wrong with this kid.he needs to see a doctor.[/quote]
I would say that he needs some real discipline and parenting up from ages 0-18 and that would eliminate the need for acting like all these kids need is more medication. You see a counselor after the damage is already done…and it is unlikely it will be truly fixed at that point.
You PREVENT it by not raising your kids to act like this in the first place.
Why would this automatically be a medical issue?
On what grounds did you make that medical diagnosis?
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Haha, ok doc. Not sure why you’ve got such a hard on for me, but it’s flattering I guess. Now, I’m gonna get back to the topic at hand.
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
As a citizen of a Country where the right to carry a gun wasn’t the second most important thing on our founder’s minds when they wrote up our constitution,I can’t say that I have experience with this mindset of a constant need to defend myself.I can however,put myself in the shoes of the kid in the video from an unbiased point of veiw.About a week ago a teacher at my high school repeatedly shoved one of my buddies for blowing a goal horn during a ball-hockey game.A year or so past a teacher swung at a kid (in a law class none the less) for throwing bits of eraser a him.While the teacher in the video is obviously not that kind of ass-hole(it says she was voted teacher of the year last year)there were definately other options for her to pursue. Many of you have stated that she “was backed into a corner,up against a door”.she could’ve OPENED the DOOR and left the class room to get help from more capable teachers.she also could’ve pushed him back instead punching him twice in the face.
It says in the article that the kid licked a window.WTF? if you silly americans weren’t so concerned with beating your kids you might realize that there is something wrong with this kid.he needs to see a doctor.going back to those examples of teacher induced violence i mentioned earlier,the kid has probably developped a very anti-authority figure attitude from past experiences with douche-bag teachers who didn’t do much to help him with his problems.sorry to go on for so long but it seems like most of you can’t see the real problem here.kids all over the world have new mental health sicknesses(not helped by getting your face kicked in by your parents-hhmmmm aren’t you brave eh ?)and problems that old fashioned teachers can’t deal with appropriately.she’s 64,its time she retires.[/quote]
When you are no longer 14, and actually develop some life experiences, you might develop a different view…
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when you’re no longer a fat-ass power lifter,i’ll give a shit about what you have to say
Seriously? Ollie middle school is not most shools. It is a bad school in a worse area. CLC is an alternative school for kids that got kicked out of their zoned school. Those are not “normal” schools, and most schools do not have metal detectors. What’s so tough to understand about that?[/quote]
Oh so you were just establishing your street cred? Gotcha chief…why are you not addressing the many posts that proved how silly your statement that people aren’t getting killed in professional settings was?
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Not at all. just providing personal experience. My “mid 90’s post office” line was said in jest, but those posts kinda proved one of my points. The world is dangerous, and it has nothing to do with chronological progression. But, there needs to be preventative measures taken and/or established before things escelate to that point. Like I said earlier, there’s no way what happened in that classroom was their first altercation. As soon as the kid has been in trouble more than once in that class, someone needs to keep an eye on the situation. And, if the kid has mental problems as the article suggests, he doesn’t need to be in that class in the first place.
I didn’t make a medical diagnosis,it’s just my opinion.If the first 15 years of the kid’s life were spent getting beat-up by his parents(as most of the posters on this thread seem to get joy from doing) then it would make it a medical issue because the kid is scarred for life.[/quote]
You group child abuse in the same category as punishment? Interesting…again your 14 year old wisdom is shining through…You aren’t exactly in the running for the Rhodes Scholarship are ya?
How many years did you get held back in elementary school? Must have been rough for your parents…good thing they nurtured you and told you you were a special unique snowflake, and and gave you trophies anyway
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
As a citizen of a Country where the right to carry a gun wasn’t the second most important thing on our founder’s minds when they wrote up our constitution,I can’t say that I have experience with this mindset of a constant need to defend myself.I can however,put myself in the shoes of the kid in the video from an unbiased point of veiw.About a week ago a teacher at my high school repeatedly shoved one of my buddies for blowing a goal horn during a ball-hockey game.A year or so past a teacher swung at a kid (in a law class none the less) for throwing bits of eraser a him.While the teacher in the video is obviously not that kind of ass-hole(it says she was voted teacher of the year last year)there were definately other options for her to pursue. Many of you have stated that she “was backed into a corner,up against a door”.she could’ve OPENED the DOOR and left the class room to get help from more capable teachers.she also could’ve pushed him back instead punching him twice in the face.
It says in the article that the kid licked a window.WTF? if you silly americans weren’t so concerned with beating your kids you might realize that there is something wrong with this kid.he needs to see a doctor.going back to those examples of teacher induced violence i mentioned earlier,the kid has probably developped a very anti-authority figure attitude from past experiences with douche-bag teachers who didn’t do much to help him with his problems.sorry to go on for so long but it seems like most of you can’t see the real problem here.kids all over the world have new mental health sicknesses(not helped by getting your face kicked in by your parents-hhmmmm aren’t you brave eh ?)and problems that old fashioned teachers can’t deal with appropriately.she’s 64,its time she retires.[/quote]
I’ve seen a lot of Canadians on TV and even know a couple of them in real life, and you sir, are not a very good Canadian.
See that? I can make broad assumptions about an entire country through minimal exposure too!
Not at all. just providing personal experience. My “mid 90’s post office” line was said in jest, but those posts kinda proved one of my points. The world is dangerous, and it has nothing to do with chronological progression. But, there needs to be preventative measures taken and/or established before things escelate to that point. Like I said earlier, there’s no way what happened in that classroom was their first altercation. As soon as the kid has been in trouble more than once in that class, someone needs to keep an eye on the situation. And, if the kid has mental problems as the article suggests, he doesn’t need to be in that class in the first place.[/quote]
You are speculating that there is a history there…there may or may not be, and its really irrelevant as it is not really on the topic…the teacher can’t remove the student from the class–that would have to be done at a higher pay grade than hers…so what is she supposed to do? Endure verbal and physical abuse and intimidation because someone else didn’t do their job?
I just don’t see how anyone can think the teacher did anything except the right thing in this situation…She handled the situation extremely well IMO…in hindsight, maybe pushing the kid back instead of decking him may have been a better option, but when a much weaker person is put in an intimidating and potentially dangerous situation such as this, I think that is very forgiveable…I doubt she had time and clear thinking to weigh all her options and balance out the pros and cons–she reacted instinctively because she was placed in a situation where that is natural…
Seriously? Ollie middle school is not most shools. It is a bad school in a worse area. CLC is an alternative school for kids that got kicked out of their zoned school. Those are not “normal” schools, and most schools do not have metal detectors. What’s so tough to understand about that?[/quote]
Oh so you were just establishing your street cred? Gotcha chief…why are you not addressing the many posts that proved how silly your statement that people aren’t getting killed in professional settings was?
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Not at all. just providing personal experience. My “mid 90’s post office” line was said in jest, but those posts kinda proved one of my points. The world is dangerous, and it has nothing to do with chronological progression. But, there needs to be preventative measures taken and/or established before things escelate to that point. Like I said earlier, there’s no way what happened in that classroom was their first altercation. As soon as the kid has been in trouble more than once in that class, someone needs to keep an eye on the situation. And, if the kid has mental problems as the article suggests, he doesn’t need to be in that class in the first place.[/quote]
I understand what you’re saying about the fact that this wasn’t their first altercation, but the fact of the matter is that, whether or not it SHOULD HAVE reached this point is completely irrelevant - it DID reach that point.
For all of you saying it should’ve been handled differently, it’s easy for you to say that because you’re sitting behind your computer - you’re not backed up against a wall/door/corner/whatever with someone who is VERY capable of physically hurting you closing in on you.
The only way this situation could’ve been handled better is if one of the students in the class came and blindsided that fucker and laid him to the ground.
I personally don’t think it’s a matter of who touched whom first (as the article seems to argue). What, should one wait before they’re getting battered to start doing something about it? As far as I’m concerned, if someone comes at you aggressively (like this kid did to his teacher), then you’re better safe and sorry than dead and neither.
I didn’t make a medical diagnosis,it’s just my opinion.If the first 15 years of the kid’s life were spent getting beat-up by his parents(as most of the posters on this thread seem to get joy from doing) then it would make it a medical issue because the kid is scarred for life.[/quote]
You group child abuse in the same category as punishment? Interesting…again your 14 year old wisdom is shining through…You aren’t exactly in the running for the Rhodes Scholarship are ya?
How many years did you get held back in elementary school? Must have been rough for your parents…good thing they nurtured you and told you you were a special unique snowflake, and and gave you trophies anyway[/quote]
yea i do.as I’ve already mentioned I’m not from america(thank god)If someone actually has it in them to hit their own kid(hard-i could understand a shove or a slap)and it is considered the norm to do so then there is something ver,very wrong there-condiering it’s 2011 and all.BTW i’m not 14,I’m 18(still in high school this year doing a co-op placement)and i’ve been through more shit than you and your powerlifting budies digest during your post-workout trip to mcDonalds,So don’t act like you’re some kind of giant temple of wisdom-if you were you wouldn’t be wasting your time on this forum,you be out getting rid of your gut before you have a heart-attack walking up a flight of stairs.
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
As a citizen of a Country where the right to carry a gun wasn’t the second most important thing on our founder’s minds when they wrote up our constitution
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On an unrelated note, the people who wrote our constitution were fighting a war for independence. But yea, totally unrelated…
This is a laughably idiotic and impractical solution. Considering she was facing the ogre and had her back to the door, I guess it would take a combination of impeccable spatial awareness and an extra set of arms facing backwards to effectively to this. Combine that with the speed of the incident and I think any rational human being would understand that only a clown on a keyboard would suggest this as an alternative. And I wager that a push wouldn’t have quite done the trick given the massive disparity in size, and likely, strength.
when you’re no longer a fat-ass power lifter,i’ll give a shit about what you have to say[/quote]
lol when you mature a little and stop worrying about whether or not your 15 year old peers think you have “hawt abz”, you may understand that not everyone is content to go through life small and weak…if the extent of your fitness goals is to look like the pale kids from Twlight and/or Justin Bieber, then your opinion on my bodyfat levels from a picture taken 14 months ago really isn’t relevant…
I didn’t make a medical diagnosis,it’s just my opinion.If the first 15 years of the kid’s life were spent getting beat-up by his parents(as most of the posters on this thread seem to get joy from doing) then it would make it a medical issue because the kid is scarred for life.[/quote]
You group child abuse in the same category as punishment? Interesting…again your 14 year old wisdom is shining through…You aren’t exactly in the running for the Rhodes Scholarship are ya?
How many years did you get held back in elementary school? Must have been rough for your parents…good thing they nurtured you and told you you were a special unique snowflake, and and gave you trophies anyway[/quote]
yea i do.as I’ve already mentioned I’m not from america(thank god)If someone actually has it in them to hit their own kid(hard-i could understand a shove or a slap)and it is considered the norm to do so then there is something ver,very wrong there-condiering it’s 2011 and all.BTW i’m not 14,I’m 18(still in high school this year doing a co-op placement)and i’ve been through more shit than you and your powerlifting budies digest during your post-workout trip to mcDonalds,So don’t act like you’re some kind of giant temple of wisdom-if you were you wouldn’t be wasting your time on this forum,you be out getting rid of your gut before you have a heart-attack walking up a flight of stairs.[/quote]
You are 18 and still in high school? Your parents must be very proud…
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
As a citizen of a Country where the right to carry a gun wasn’t the second most important thing on our founder’s minds when they wrote up our constitution,I can’t say that I have experience with this mindset of a constant need to defend myself.I can however,put myself in the shoes of the kid in the video from an unbiased point of veiw.About a week ago a teacher at my high school repeatedly shoved one of my buddies for blowing a goal horn during a ball-hockey game.A year or so past a teacher swung at a kid (in a law class none the less) for throwing bits of eraser a him.While the teacher in the video is obviously not that kind of ass-hole(it says she was voted teacher of the year last year)there were definately other options for her to pursue. Many of you have stated that she “was backed into a corner,up against a door”.she could’ve OPENED the DOOR and left the class room to get help from more capable teachers.she also could’ve pushed him back instead punching him twice in the face.
It says in the article that the kid licked a window.WTF? if you silly americans weren’t so concerned with beating your kids you might realize that there is something wrong with this kid.he needs to see a doctor.going back to those examples of teacher induced violence i mentioned earlier,the kid has probably developped a very anti-authority figure attitude from past experiences with douche-bag teachers who didn’t do much to help him with his problems.sorry to go on for so long but it seems like most of you can’t see the real problem here.kids all over the world have new mental health sicknesses(not helped by getting your face kicked in by your parents-hhmmmm aren’t you brave eh ?)and problems that old fashioned teachers can’t deal with appropriately.she’s 64,its time she retires.[/quote]
I’ve seen a lot of Canadians on TV and even know a couple of them in real life, and you sir, are not a very good Canadian.
See that? I can make broad assumptions about an entire country through minimal exposure too!
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See that’s just it.Americans are content staying in their own country thinking they rule the world.I’m at least half your age and i’ve been to 3 continents and 9 countries.I have a much broader veiw of the world because my country’s education system isn’t so self centred as to only teach cirriculum concerning my own country’s interests.I’ve studied american history and been to your country 4 times.It’s depressing to see the poverty that exists in plain sight while you confidently vote for politicians that spend trillions fighting in wars that don’t even concern them.You’d be surprised at how much a young person like myself a can know and experience.well,not in america anyways.
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
As a citizen of a Country where the right to carry a gun wasn’t the second most important thing on our founder’s minds when they wrote up our constitution
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On an unrelated note, the people who wrote our constitution were fighting a war for independence. But yea, totally unrelated…
This is a laughably idiotic and impractical solution. Considering she was facing the ogre and had her back to the door, I guess it would take a combination of impeccable spatial awareness and an extra set of arms facing backwards to effectively to this. Combine that with the speed of the incident and I think any rational human being would understand that only a clown on a keyboard would suggest this as an alternative. And I wager that a push wouldn’t have quite done the trick given the massive disparity in size, and likely, strength.[/quote]
Then why do most of your citizens insist on still carrying weapons today?Because Guns are for pussies,I hope you know that.
Oh and if see had been teaching in that classroom for the whole semester she’d know where the door was.If she had simply pushed him then the same kid who grabbed him after he was punched probably would’ve stepped in to restrain him(I would hope so,anyways).
See that’s just it.Americans are content staying in their own country thinking they rule the world.I’m at least half your age and i’ve been to 3 continents and 9 countries.I have a much broader veiw of the world because my country’s education system isn’t so self centred as to only teach cirriculum concerning my own country’s interests.I’ve studied american history and been to your country 4 times.It’s depressing to see the poverty that exists in plain sight while you confidently vote for politicians that spend trillions fighting in wars that don’t even concern them.You’d be surprised at how much a young person like myself a can know and experience.well,not in america anyways.[/quote]
That is a bitchin’ castle!
I would like you to experience a little grammar-adjustment before you start throwing bows at a country’s education system.
I don’t believe WhiteFlash is too far off in his assumption that the conflict could have been resolved differently but this teacher also had the confrontation imposed on her and was forced to act in self-defense. Unless information on how the student behaved in class prior to this event is released it’s impossible to know whether or not the teacher enabled the student to put her in this position.