Teacher Punches Student

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]angus_beef wrote:
Lol… i get the impression people viewed my post as a defense for the kid when i clearly stated what this kid did was wrong. I am NOT saying what this kid did was right, i am saying what the teacher did was wrong.
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No the teacher was absolutely right. The law agrees too. I’m not really sure what the argument is. In what way does her actions not qualify as self-defense?

I said before and I’ll repeat, if I’m in the situation I am throwing punches without hesitation.[/quote]

By all means if you feel threatened defend yourself. I just don’t think teachers should punch students in the face, it could have been handled differently. This isn’t a street situation. We haven’t seen the entire video but i question whether the teacher was legitimately intimidated by this kid. She seemed to have handled herself well.

To me, a logically response for someone who is truly terrified would be to leave the room the moment the student left his seat.

I quoted brother chris because his sole argument was based on the fact that this teacher was a woman which is weak… & his response further reiterated that. Then because i decide to be level headed i suddenly don’t open doors for women or i let them walk all over me.

I’m saying what if it was a smaller male teacher being aggressively approached by a bigger female student and he punched her in the face because he felt threaten? Basically some here are saying this would not be ok solely based on gender and not the individuals perceived fear of danger. This doesn’t make sense to me.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I don’t know man. While what he said was fucked up, he was just trying to intimidate her. He had no intention of hitting her, 'cause if he did it would’ve happened by the time she took a swing. And, he didn’t hit her back when he easily could’ve. She completely overreacted, and I can pretty much guarantee that they had been “at eachother” throughout the year. Being a teacher [or any position of authority] doesn’t make one immune to natural human feelings, and it’s pretty clear that there was a mutual dislike there. That may be an isolated incident, but we now know she’s capable of pretty irrational behavior. [/quote]

I think you’re waaaay off here. I have a simple question:

Would you ever allow anyone to invade your personal space like this? Ever? While calling you a cunt or the male equivalent? Because to do so is a good way to become a victim.

If anyone is talking aggressively to me and they get that close (not even that close, but close enough to hit me should they choose), I’m hitting first. Although I am shocked by what she did, NO ONE should have to tolerate someone threatening them in such a manner - and it’s absolutely a threat and intimidation. What do you do? Wait to get hit to be sure?

If my kid did that, I’d be kicking his ass when he got home and I’d have no complaint to the school. You just don’t do that.[/quote]

That’s a good point, and if it were me I’d do as you say you would and if I felt threatened I’d start throwing. But, I wouldn’t be his teacher and in a school setting. Not sure why this simple concept is so hard for y’all to grasp.[/quote]

Because it’s moronic. Teachers are not fucking punching bags and have the same right to self defense as you and the cunt doing the intimidating.

Self-defense: why can’t you grasp that simple concept? It’s not hard…
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Self defense? He was in her face, not hitting her. This isn’t the street, it’s her proffesional setting. Once again: this kid is a douche and needs a monumental beating, but his 64 year old teacher was not the one to try and deliver it.[/quote]

Are you serious? People get killed in professional settings daily. Why do you seem to think this woman should feel that safe when most of these schools have metal detectors?

What America are you living in?

Look, I already know your thinking is screwed up on many issues…so please keep letting us see it.[/quote]

My thinking is screwed up on many issues? Haha, ok. Nice random personal attack there doc. Outside of post offices in the mid 90’s, who’s getting killed in a proffessional setting? And most of these schools DO NOT have metal detectors. Where did you get that completely innaccurate nugget of info?[/quote]

http://townhall.com/news/us/2011/04/23/gun_incident_at_texas_school_renews_safety_debate

You suck at this.

With things like this happening, once again, why the fuck would a teacher feel safe?

AT ALL?

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^^^ I suck at this. That said THEY’RE THINKING ABOUT adding metal detectors, not that they already have them. I grew up in Alief on leawood st, homeboy. Ollie middle school has had metal detectors since the early 90’s. I also went to CLC in 3rd ward for the last half of 8th grade and first half of 9th, and they had metal detectors as well. I’m pretty used to violence, in school and elsewhere. Still doesn’t change the fact that grandma could’ve handled that situation better.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ I suck at this. That said THEY’RE THINKING ABOUT adding metal detectors, not that they already have them. I grew up in Alief homeboy. Ollie middle school has had metal detectors since the early 90’s. I also went to CLC in 3rd ward for the last half of 8th grade and first half of 9th, and they had metal detectors as well. I’m pretty used to violence, in school and elsewhere. Still doesn’t change the fact that grandma could’ve handled that situation better.[/quote]

Genius, this isn’t about metal detectors, this is about how a kid could have any kind of weapon on them today or be a weapon themselves.

I understand that with limited thinking comes the inability to see past simple statements meant to make a point…but I can also see how by dwelling on them you can ignore the bigger picture.

Too bad that isn’t working for you.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Outside of post offices in the mid 90’s, who’s getting killed in a proffessional setting?
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A quick google of “office shootings” reveals:

All of those happened within the last five years.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ I suck at this. That said THEY’RE THINKING ABOUT adding metal detectors, not that they already have them. I grew up in Alief homeboy. Ollie middle school has had metal detectors since the early 90’s. I also went to CLC in 3rd ward for the last half of 8th grade and first half of 9th, and they had metal detectors as well. I’m pretty used to violence, in school and elsewhere. Still doesn’t change the fact that grandma could’ve handled that situation better.[/quote]

Genius, this isn’t about metal detectors, this is about how a kid could have any kind of weapon on them today or be a weapon themselves.

I understand that with limited thinking comes the inability to see past simple statements meant to make a point…but I can also see how by dwelling on them you can ignore the bigger picture.

Too bad that isn’t working for you.[/quote]

For a fat dentist you talk a lot of shit. Again, Ollie middle school has had metal detectors since the early 90’s. “Today” has nothing to do with kids [or people in general] being dangerous. Your “point” is trying to argue for the sake of arguing, as usual. Good luck with that.

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[quote]angus_beef wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]angus_beef wrote:
Lol… i get the impression people viewed my post as a defense for the kid when i clearly stated what this kid did was wrong. I am NOT saying what this kid did was right, i am saying what the teacher did was wrong.
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No the teacher was absolutely right. The law agrees too. I’m not really sure what the argument is. In what way does her actions not qualify as self-defense?

I said before and I’ll repeat, if I’m in the situation I am throwing punches without hesitation.[/quote]

By all means if you feel threatened defend yourself. I just don’t think teachers should punch students in the face, it could have been handled differently. This isn’t a street situation. We haven’t seen the entire video but i question whether the teacher was legitimately intimidated by this kid. She seemed to have handled herself well.

To me, a logically response for someone who is truly terrified would be to leave the room the moment the student left his seat.

I quoted brother chris because his sole argument was based on the fact that this teacher was a woman which is weak… & his response further reiterated that. Then because i decide to be level headed i suddenly don’t open doors for women or i let them walk all over me.

I’m saying what if it was a smaller male teacher being aggressively approached by a bigger female student and he punched her in the face because he felt threaten? Basically some here are saying this would not be ok solely based on gender and not the individuals perceived fear of danger. This doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]

I don’t think you get it. With our deteriorating education system, students are bringing this street mentality into the school. There are gangs in schools. There are weapons in schools.
There are drugs in school along with associated social problems that come with them. There are students capable of great violence in schools. There is bullying in schools of both students and teachers. It’s actually a reason that prison architects are being hired to design schools. And not all people and situations can be handled diplomatically no matter how good you are.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ I suck at this. That said THEY’RE THINKING ABOUT adding metal detectors, not that they already have them. I grew up in Alief homeboy. Ollie middle school has had metal detectors since the early 90’s. I also went to CLC in 3rd ward for the last half of 8th grade and first half of 9th, and they had metal detectors as well. I’m pretty used to violence, in school and elsewhere. Still doesn’t change the fact that grandma could’ve handled that situation better.[/quote]

Genius, this isn’t about metal detectors, this is about how a kid could have any kind of weapon on them today or be a weapon themselves.

I understand that with limited thinking comes the inability to see past simple statements meant to make a point…but I can also see how by dwelling on them you can ignore the bigger picture.

Too bad that isn’t working for you.[/quote]

For a fat dentist you talk a lot of shit. Again, Ollie middle school has had metal detectors since the early 90’s. “Today” has nothing to do with kids [or people in general] being dangerous. Your “point” is trying to argue for the sake of arguing, as usual. Good luck with that.[/quote]

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Hmm, my point is the exact same as the several people now telling you that you thinking is a tad skewed. Clearly, they are all also just arguing for the sake of arguing.

This isn’t about metal detectors…and the fact that you still seem to think it is happens to be pretty sad.

Oh, and trust me, if this is “fat”…I’m real cool with that. How about some pics of yourself for shock value, huh?

Right.

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Who’s getting killed in professional settings? Well on March 11, 2009, 15 people were shot and killed at Albertville Tech High in Germany by a 17 year old student.

In 1998, 257,000 serious injuries and 35 deaths were caused by assaults in US schools. I don’t imagine that the stats look too much better today.

Just sayin’.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ I suck at this. That said THEY’RE THINKING ABOUT adding metal detectors, not that they already have them. I grew up in Alief homeboy. Ollie middle school has had metal detectors since the early 90’s. I also went to CLC in 3rd ward for the last half of 8th grade and first half of 9th, and they had metal detectors as well. I’m pretty used to violence, in school and elsewhere. Still doesn’t change the fact that grandma could’ve handled that situation better.[/quote]

Genius, this isn’t about metal detectors, this is about how a kid could have any kind of weapon on them today or be a weapon themselves.

I understand that with limited thinking comes the inability to see past simple statements meant to make a point…but I can also see how by dwelling on them you can ignore the bigger picture.

Too bad that isn’t working for you.[/quote]

For a fat dentist you talk a lot of shit. Again, Ollie middle school has had metal detectors since the early 90’s. “Today” has nothing to do with kids [or people in general] being dangerous. Your “point” is trying to argue for the sake of arguing, as usual. Good luck with that.[/quote]

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Hmm, my point is the exact same as the several people now telling you that you thinking is a tad skewed. Clearly, they are all also just arguing for the sake of arguing.

This isn’t about metal detectors…and the fact that you still seem to think it is happens to be pretty sad.

Oh, and trust me, if this is “fat”…I’m real cool with that. How about some pics of yourself for shock value, huh?

Right.[/quote]

Where in the fuck did I say this was about metal detectors? How the fuck are you this dense? You brought them up in conjunction with “todays” bad apples, and I said that schools in my old neighborhood have had them since the early 90’s. Danger has nothing to do with chronological progression. And, there’s 2 pics in my profile. One from a couple of yearsago and a recent one where I’m sub 10% bf. Knock yourself out doc.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Outside of post offices in the mid 90’s, who’s getting killed in a proffessional setting?
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A quick google of “office shootings” reveals:

All of those happened within the last five years.[/quote]

Its awesome that, unlike White Flash, you have the ability to quickly google search something before making stupid statements…this dude is a joke…

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
And most of these schools [i][u]DO NOT[/u][/i] have metal detectors. Where did you get that completely innaccurate nugget of info?[/quote]

3 posts later:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Ollie middle school has had metal detectors since the early 90’s. I also went to CLC in 3rd ward for the last half of 8th grade and first half of 9th, and they had metal detectors as well. [/quote]

6 posts later:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I said that schools in my old neighborhood have had them since the early 90’s. [/quote]

huh?

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White flash, you talk a lot of shit about how “fat” I am for a guy who doesn’t look like he could move my warm up weight out of the way.

I won’t be as ridiculous as to post your picture here…but please, quit talking shit about me until you build some actual muscles.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
White flash, you talk a lot of shit about how “fat” I am for a guy who doesn’t look like he could move my warm up weight out of the way.

I won’t be as ridiculous as to post your picture here…but please, quit talking shit about me until you build some actual muscles.[/quote]

Haha, ok. You’re talking shit to a guy who’s made money being photographed for his body. Have fun with those warm up weights doc.

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As a citizen of a Country where the right to carry a gun wasn’t the second most important thing on our founder’s minds when they wrote up our constitution,I can’t say that I have experience with this mindset of a constant need to defend myself.I can however,put myself in the shoes of the kid in the video from an unbiased point of veiw.About a week ago a teacher at my high school repeatedly shoved one of my buddies for blowing a goal horn during a ball-hockey game.A year or so past a teacher swung at a kid (in a law class none the less) for throwing bits of eraser a him.While the teacher in the video is obviously not that kind of ass-hole(it says she was voted teacher of the year last year)there were definately other options for her to pursue. Many of you have stated that she “was backed into a corner,up against a door”.she could’ve OPENED the DOOR and left the class room to get help from more capable teachers.she also could’ve pushed him back instead punching him twice in the face.

It says in the article that the kid licked a window.WTF? if you silly americans weren’t so concerned with beating your kids you might realize that there is something wrong with this kid.he needs to see a doctor.going back to those examples of teacher induced violence i mentioned earlier,the kid has probably developped a very anti-authority figure attitude from past experiences with douche-bag teachers who didn’t do much to help him with his problems.sorry to go on for so long but it seems like most of you can’t see the real problem here.kids all over the world have new mental health sicknesses(not helped by getting your face kicked in by your parents-hhmmmm aren’t you brave eh ?)and problems that old fashioned teachers can’t deal with appropriately.she’s 64,its time she retires.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
And most of these schools [i][u]DO NOT[/u][/i] have metal detectors. Where did you get that completely innaccurate nugget of info?[/quote]

3 posts later:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Ollie middle school has had metal detectors since the early 90’s. I also went to CLC in 3rd ward for the last half of 8th grade and first half of 9th, and they had metal detectors as well. [/quote]

6 posts later:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I said that schools in my old neighborhood have had them since the early 90’s. [/quote]

huh?[/quote]

Seriously? Ollie middle school is not most shools. It is a bad school in a worse area. CLC is an alternative school for kids that got kicked out of their zoned school. Those are not “normal” schools, and most schools do not have metal detectors. What’s so tough to understand about that?

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Kid deserved it. For those who think the teacher is wrong, will you still think the same if the woman was your girlfriend, wife, or mom? That’s right.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
White flash, you talk a lot of shit about how “fat” I am for a guy who doesn’t look like he could move my warm up weight out of the way.

I won’t be as ridiculous as to post your picture here…but please, quit talking shit about me until you build some actual muscles.[/quote]

Haha, ok. You’re talking shit to a guy who’s made money being photographed for his body. Have fun with those warm up weights doc.[/quote]

Hold up…someone PAID you to look like that?

LO fucking for the love of L

[quote]TSpoon wrote:
if you silly americans weren’t so concerned with beating your kids you might realize that there is something wrong with this kid.he needs to see a doctor.[/quote]

I would say that he needs some real discipline and parenting up from ages 0-18 and that would eliminate the need for acting like all these kids need is more medication. You see a counselor after the damage is already done…and it is unlikely it will be truly fixed at that point.

You PREVENT it by not raising your kids to act like this in the first place.

Why would this automatically be a medical issue?

On what grounds did you make that medical diagnosis?

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Seriously? Ollie middle school is not most shools. It is a bad school in a worse area. CLC is an alternative school for kids that got kicked out of their zoned school. Those are not “normal” schools, and most schools do not have metal detectors. What’s so tough to understand about that?[/quote]

Oh so you were just establishing your street cred? Gotcha chief…why are you not addressing the many posts that proved how silly your statement that people aren’t getting killed in professional settings was?

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IMO that emo got off lightly, he was looking for trouble and he got it. This is a 64 year old woman being intimidated and bullied. Reminds me of my friend who got punched in the side of the head outside a nightclub while he was minding his own business. He retaliated and knocked the shit out of the guy. In the end the scumbag that started it got 5 grand from my buddy even though there was video evidence showing that the scumbag randomly threw the first punch.
Nice way for pieces of shit to make money I guess.