Teacher Punches Student

Fletch1986 · June 5, 2011, 5:59pm

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]angus_beef wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
If I was in that room, and seen such disrespect of a woman. Even without physical contact from him I would have bull rushed him and put him up against the wall for merely disrespect of a woman and disrespect for his elders.

There is no room for such disrespect, I don’t care that she’s a teacher or in a position of authority, the fact that she is a woman is reason enough.[/quote]

HAHA… laughable … In domestic violence cases police officers tend to arrest both individuals in same sex partnerships (female) 50 percent of the time. However, if the couple is a man and a woman, the woman gets arrested less the 1 percent of the time… It’s because the majority of people think the way you do.[/quote]

You mean with chivalry?

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What if the teacher was male? … Would the same principal apply?[/quote]

No because men and women aren’t the same. They are different.

You mean a grown ass man, punching a high school female in the face? Then I suppose I’d still have to bull rush a dude that came at a woman.

What if this guy was your son? …Do you expect that when you send your kids to school that they’re being punched in the face by teachers?[/quote]

If they guy was my son? I’d tear his ass up, and he wouldn’t act like that in the first place. And, by chance if my son did act like that and his teacher did punch him in the face, when he got home I’d be doing more than punching him in the face for doing that to a woman.

We all deserve respect but no one is obligated to respect anyone, so why would anyone use force to implement something which isn’t unlawful?

Actually you are obligated to respect everyone for the fact they are human, but you always respect women and the elderly.

[quote]If i’m walking down the street and someone walks up to me and calls me a bitch, do i then have the right to punch them in the face? The law allows us to use equal force to protect ourselves. Therefor if someone punches me in the face i am not protected under the law if i shot that individual. I cannot physically abuse someone who verbally abuses me.

If someone punched me in the face, they better expect a bullet. I don’t fuck around and I’m not going to punch for punch unless I want to go punch for punch.

I guess you didn’t read…woman. This goes for little girls as well, females…don’t act like you’re gonna hit them or someone is probably going to punch you…or worse. It shouldn’t be gender dependent? Bull shit.

Vigilante Justice? How about self-defense…you do understand what self-defense is, don’t you?

Actually, they aren’t. Self-defense.

And, in case you are wondering. I don’t let women walk all over me, I can be chivalrous and not be a pussy willow. I know it’s difficult for boys to understand the difference between being submissive and being honorable, but maybe someone will teach you that lesson one day.[/quote]

Well done good sir. I offer you an i-beer
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mapwhap · June 5, 2011, 6:08pm

Vigilante justice?!?!? What the heck are you talking about?!

That woman, who was 64, defended herself with EXACTLY the right amount of force. She gave him a verbal warning first, she hit him only as many times as it took to get him to back up, and she didn’t continue after the threat was over. It was textbook.

You and WF are completely off base. This kid walked up on her with the clear intent of physically intimidating her. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing, and he thought that he could use the fact that she isn’t allowed to touch him to his advantage. (That’s called cowardice, by the way.) His problem is that it didn’t work out the way he thought it would.

That kid was a punk, and his behavior needed to be handled immediately, on the spot, by her cos SHE WAS THE VICTIM here.

They ought to giver her a medal.

angus_beef · June 5, 2011, 6:11pm

Lol… i get the impression people viewed my post as a defense for the kid when i clearly stated what this kid did was wrong. I am NOT saying what this kid did was right, i am saying what the teacher did was wrong.

I said “just food for thought” … meaning these are questions i tend to ask myself when viewing situations such as these so i decided to pose them to you all.

@ beans and spherenine, no i don’t have kids but i do agree with you 100 percent… i would beat their asses but i reserve that right as a parent. I don’t want anyone else beating their asses.

The action itself is wrong, and that is not based on gender. Too many emotional responses to have a logical conversation at this point.

@ brotherchris - save your last paragraph for your match.com profile.

Larzker · June 5, 2011, 6:20pm

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1173240.ece

I have to side with the teacher and the courts on this one.[/quote]

How about the reverse:

http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/grader-28060-nose-teacher.html

debraD · June 5, 2011, 6:23pm

[quote]angus_beef wrote:
Lol… i get the impression people viewed my post as a defense for the kid when i clearly stated what this kid did was wrong. I am NOT saying what this kid did was right, i am saying what the teacher did was wrong.
[/quote]

No the teacher was absolutely right. The law agrees too. I’m not really sure what the argument is. In what way does her actions not qualify as self-defense?

I said before and I’ll repeat, if I’m in the situation I am throwing punches without hesitation.

Professor_X · June 5, 2011, 6:26pm

Let me be one to say that I personally see parents raising their kids to be the most self centered abusive assholes…and when they act out in school, will ALWAYS take the side of the kid no matter what they did.

That is what leads to some kid’s parents pressing charges because their kid is an asshole who disrespects his teacher.

This happens all day every day…and not just in schools.

WhiteFlash · June 5, 2011, 6:38pm

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I don’t know man. While what he said was fucked up, he was just trying to intimidate her. He had no intention of hitting her, 'cause if he did it would’ve happened by the time she took a swing. And, he didn’t hit her back when he easily could’ve. She completely overreacted, and I can pretty much guarantee that they had been “at eachother” throughout the year. Being a teacher [or any position of authority] doesn’t make one immune to natural human feelings, and it’s pretty clear that there was a mutual dislike there. That may be an isolated incident, but we now know she’s capable of pretty irrational behavior. [/quote]

I think you’re waaaay off here. I have a simple question:

Would you ever allow anyone to invade your personal space like this? Ever? While calling you a cunt or the male equivalent? Because to do so is a good way to become a victim.

If anyone is talking aggressively to me and they get that close (not even that close, but close enough to hit me should they choose), I’m hitting first. Although I am shocked by what she did, NO ONE should have to tolerate someone threatening them in such a manner - and it’s absolutely a threat and intimidation. What do you do? Wait to get hit to be sure?

If my kid did that, I’d be kicking his ass when he got home and I’d have no complaint to the school. You just don’t do that.[/quote]

That’s a good point, and if it were me I’d do as you say you would and if I felt threatened I’d start throwing. But, I wouldn’t be his teacher and in a school setting. Not sure why this simple concept is so hard for y’all to grasp.

WhiteFlash · June 5, 2011, 6:42pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ Did I say it did? Thought I’d said that the kid is a punk ass and needs a beating. He just didn’t his 64 year old teacher to try and deliver it, in class, with several people around and one person filming it.[/quote]

My mom’s a teacher. It’s nice to know you think they should accept being cornered in school by juveniles as simply a part of the job instead of reacting like most human beings would in similar circumstances.
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Jesus. When have I once said his behavior was ok? It’s actually the complete opposite of ok. But, if someone were to do this to your mom [and I hope that never happens], I’m sure she’d handle herself better than this, or even never allow it to get to that point in the first place.

debraD · June 5, 2011, 6:43pm

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I don’t know man. While what he said was fucked up, he was just trying to intimidate her. He had no intention of hitting her, 'cause if he did it would’ve happened by the time she took a swing. And, he didn’t hit her back when he easily could’ve. She completely overreacted, and I can pretty much guarantee that they had been “at eachother” throughout the year. Being a teacher [or any position of authority] doesn’t make one immune to natural human feelings, and it’s pretty clear that there was a mutual dislike there. That may be an isolated incident, but we now know she’s capable of pretty irrational behavior. [/quote]

I think you’re waaaay off here. I have a simple question:

Would you ever allow anyone to invade your personal space like this? Ever? While calling you a cunt or the male equivalent? Because to do so is a good way to become a victim.

If anyone is talking aggressively to me and they get that close (not even that close, but close enough to hit me should they choose), I’m hitting first. Although I am shocked by what she did, NO ONE should have to tolerate someone threatening them in such a manner - and it’s absolutely a threat and intimidation. What do you do? Wait to get hit to be sure?

If my kid did that, I’d be kicking his ass when he got home and I’d have no complaint to the school. You just don’t do that.[/quote]

That’s a good point, and if it were me I’d do as you say you would and if I felt threatened I’d start throwing. But, I wouldn’t be his teacher and in a school setting. Not sure why this simple concept is so hard for y’all to grasp.[/quote]

Because it’s moronic. Teachers are not fucking punching bags and have the same right to self defense as you and the cunt doing the intimidating.

Self-defense: why can’t you grasp that simple concept? It’s not hard…

Professor_X · June 5, 2011, 6:48pm

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I don’t know man. While what he said was fucked up, he was just trying to intimidate her. He had no intention of hitting her, 'cause if he did it would’ve happened by the time she took a swing. And, he didn’t hit her back when he easily could’ve. She completely overreacted, and I can pretty much guarantee that they had been “at eachother” throughout the year. Being a teacher [or any position of authority] doesn’t make one immune to natural human feelings, and it’s pretty clear that there was a mutual dislike there. That may be an isolated incident, but we now know she’s capable of pretty irrational behavior. [/quote]

I think you’re waaaay off here. I have a simple question:

Would you ever allow anyone to invade your personal space like this? Ever? While calling you a cunt or the male equivalent? Because to do so is a good way to become a victim.

If anyone is talking aggressively to me and they get that close (not even that close, but close enough to hit me should they choose), I’m hitting first. Although I am shocked by what she did, NO ONE should have to tolerate someone threatening them in such a manner - and it’s absolutely a threat and intimidation. What do you do? Wait to get hit to be sure?

If my kid did that, I’d be kicking his ass when he got home and I’d have no complaint to the school. You just don’t do that.[/quote]

That’s a good point, and if it were me I’d do as you say you would and if I felt threatened I’d start throwing. But, I wouldn’t be his teacher and in a school setting. Not sure why this simple concept is so hard for y’all to grasp.[/quote]

Ooooh, now you’re ‘a thinkin’. Let’s discuss who should be teachers then, shall we?

Some defining characteristics:

-able to withstand physical and psychological assaults from people who can weigh up to 200lbs or more (meaning we would need someone about the size of…well, let’s say a college level running back)

-extremely impressive academics on par with those of pre-med, engineering, and computer science majors…but for some reason willing to accept getting paid less than any of those fields to the tune of barely making ends meet.

-a desire to truly teach your kids well despite being spat on daily and being able to do nothing but make a phone call about it…and then deal with it tomorrow.

Anyone want to help me with some more great characteristics of the ideal teacher who would never fight back against a kid who stepped to them?

SkyzykS · June 5, 2011, 6:46pm

I understand what you mean by food for thought. Here is mine- What would you expect to happen if a person is backed up into an inescapable and violent scenario?

I would expect exactly what happened to happen. Another alternative that I would consider is that the person cowers as the aggressor beats,kicks, and/or humiliates them until they consider what ever they were trying to accomplish to be accomplished.

I’ve seen these play out a few times in real life under different circumstances. Stuff like this never goes well, especially when you have someone who is physically larger and emotionally out of control.

How is it wrong that she responded the way that she did? Other than “I reserve that right as a parent”.

That right gets forfeited when the parent neglects to teach the kid to respect other peoples physical well being.

Doesn’t she reserve the right as a human being to protect herself? (more food for thought)

Professor_X · June 5, 2011, 6:47pm

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ Did I say it did? Thought I’d said that the kid is a punk ass and needs a beating. He just didn’t his 64 year old teacher to try and deliver it, in class, with several people around and one person filming it.[/quote]

My mom’s a teacher. It’s nice to know you think they should accept being cornered in school by juveniles as simply a part of the job instead of reacting like most human beings would in similar circumstances.
[/quote]

Jesus. When have I once said his behavior was ok? It’s actually the complete opposite of ok. But, if someone were to do this to your mom [and I hope that never happens], I’m sure she’d handle herself better than this, or even never allow it to get to that point in the first place.[/quote]

My mom actually just dealt with a similar circumstance that I won’t go into details about.

The truth is, these kids are more dangerous than they have been before…and unless you plan to install security guards in every class room and deal with the tax hike for it, acting like no teacher should ever try to defend against a minor is ridiculous and outside of what is actually happening in reality.

batman730 · June 5, 2011, 6:47pm

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I don’t know man. While what he said was fucked up, he was just trying to intimidate her. He had no intention of hitting her, 'cause if he did it would’ve happened by the time she took a swing. And, he didn’t hit her back when he easily could’ve. She completely overreacted, and I can pretty much guarantee that they had been “at eachother” throughout the year. Being a teacher [or any position of authority] doesn’t make one immune to natural human feelings, and it’s pretty clear that there was a mutual dislike there. That may be an isolated incident, but we now know she’s capable of pretty irrational behavior. [/quote]

I think you’re waaaay off here. I have a simple question:

Would you ever allow anyone to invade your personal space like this? Ever? While calling you a cunt or the male equivalent? Because to do so is a good way to become a victim.

If anyone is talking aggressively to me and they get that close (not even that close, but close enough to hit me should they choose), I’m hitting first. Although I am shocked by what she did, NO ONE should have to tolerate someone threatening them in such a manner - and it’s absolutely a threat and intimidation. What do you do? Wait to get hit to be sure?

If my kid did that, I’d be kicking his ass when he got home and I’d have no complaint to the school. You just don’t do that.[/quote]

That’s a good point, and if it were me I’d do as you say you would and if I felt threatened I’d start throwing. But, I wouldn’t be his teacher and in a school setting. Not sure why this simple concept is so hard for y’all to grasp.[/quote]

Her job description and the setting are irrelevant. His behavior and her response are at issue. She is protected under the same laws as any other person who comes under the threat of violence. I’m not sure why this simple concept is so hard for you to understand.

Barge · June 5, 2011, 6:50pm

[quote]angus_beef wrote:

If i’m walking down the street and someone walks up to me and calls me a bitch, do i then have the right to punch them in the face? The law allows us to use equal force to protect ourselves. Therefor if someone punches me in the face i am not protected under the law if i shot that individual. I cannot physically abuse someone who verbally abuses me.
[/quote]

Honestly, in my opinion, yes you should. People wouldn’t talk a bunch of crap like they do now if they knew they’d get socked in the face.

Do I think you get the right to beat the living crap out of the guy… no, but maybe people would learn some respect if they couldn’t mouth off to their hearts content.

Then you get people that argue that violence is just a substitute for lacking intellect. That’s just crap that pussies say.

WhiteFlash · June 5, 2011, 6:51pm

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I don’t know man. While what he said was fucked up, he was just trying to intimidate her. He had no intention of hitting her, 'cause if he did it would’ve happened by the time she took a swing. And, he didn’t hit her back when he easily could’ve. She completely overreacted, and I can pretty much guarantee that they had been “at eachother” throughout the year. Being a teacher [or any position of authority] doesn’t make one immune to natural human feelings, and it’s pretty clear that there was a mutual dislike there. That may be an isolated incident, but we now know she’s capable of pretty irrational behavior. [/quote]

I think you’re waaaay off here. I have a simple question:

Would you ever allow anyone to invade your personal space like this? Ever? While calling you a cunt or the male equivalent? Because to do so is a good way to become a victim.

If anyone is talking aggressively to me and they get that close (not even that close, but close enough to hit me should they choose), I’m hitting first. Although I am shocked by what she did, NO ONE should have to tolerate someone threatening them in such a manner - and it’s absolutely a threat and intimidation. What do you do? Wait to get hit to be sure?

If my kid did that, I’d be kicking his ass when he got home and I’d have no complaint to the school. You just don’t do that.[/quote]

That’s a good point, and if it were me I’d do as you say you would and if I felt threatened I’d start throwing. But, I wouldn’t be his teacher and in a school setting. Not sure why this simple concept is so hard for y’all to grasp.[/quote]

Because it’s moronic. Teachers are not fucking punching bags and have the same right to self defense as you and the cunt doing the intimidating.

Self-defense: why can’t you grasp that simple concept? It’s not hard…
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Self defense? He was in her face, not hitting her. This isn’t the street, it’s her proffesional setting. Once again: this kid is a douche and needs a monumental beating, but his 64 year old teacher was not the one to try and deliver it.

Professor_X · June 5, 2011, 6:56pm

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I don’t know man. While what he said was fucked up, he was just trying to intimidate her. He had no intention of hitting her, 'cause if he did it would’ve happened by the time she took a swing. And, he didn’t hit her back when he easily could’ve. She completely overreacted, and I can pretty much guarantee that they had been “at eachother” throughout the year. Being a teacher [or any position of authority] doesn’t make one immune to natural human feelings, and it’s pretty clear that there was a mutual dislike there. That may be an isolated incident, but we now know she’s capable of pretty irrational behavior. [/quote]

I think you’re waaaay off here. I have a simple question:

Would you ever allow anyone to invade your personal space like this? Ever? While calling you a cunt or the male equivalent? Because to do so is a good way to become a victim.

If anyone is talking aggressively to me and they get that close (not even that close, but close enough to hit me should they choose), I’m hitting first. Although I am shocked by what she did, NO ONE should have to tolerate someone threatening them in such a manner - and it’s absolutely a threat and intimidation. What do you do? Wait to get hit to be sure?

If my kid did that, I’d be kicking his ass when he got home and I’d have no complaint to the school. You just don’t do that.[/quote]

That’s a good point, and if it were me I’d do as you say you would and if I felt threatened I’d start throwing. But, I wouldn’t be his teacher and in a school setting. Not sure why this simple concept is so hard for y’all to grasp.[/quote]

Because it’s moronic. Teachers are not fucking punching bags and have the same right to self defense as you and the cunt doing the intimidating.

Self-defense: why can’t you grasp that simple concept? It’s not hard…
[/quote]

Self defense? He was in her face, not hitting her. This isn’t the street, it’s her proffesional setting. Once again: this kid is a douche and needs a monumental beating, but his 64 year old teacher was not the one to try and deliver it.[/quote]

Are you serious? People get killed in professional settings daily. Why do you seem to think this woman should feel that safe when most of these schools have metal detectors?

What America are you living in?

Look, I already know your thinking is screwed up on many issues…so please keep letting us see it.

debraD · June 5, 2011, 6:55pm

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I don’t know man. While what he said was fucked up, he was just trying to intimidate her. He had no intention of hitting her, 'cause if he did it would’ve happened by the time she took a swing. And, he didn’t hit her back when he easily could’ve. She completely overreacted, and I can pretty much guarantee that they had been “at eachother” throughout the year. Being a teacher [or any position of authority] doesn’t make one immune to natural human feelings, and it’s pretty clear that there was a mutual dislike there. That may be an isolated incident, but we now know she’s capable of pretty irrational behavior. [/quote]

I think you’re waaaay off here. I have a simple question:

Would you ever allow anyone to invade your personal space like this? Ever? While calling you a cunt or the male equivalent? Because to do so is a good way to become a victim.

If anyone is talking aggressively to me and they get that close (not even that close, but close enough to hit me should they choose), I’m hitting first. Although I am shocked by what she did, NO ONE should have to tolerate someone threatening them in such a manner - and it’s absolutely a threat and intimidation. What do you do? Wait to get hit to be sure?

If my kid did that, I’d be kicking his ass when he got home and I’d have no complaint to the school. You just don’t do that.[/quote]

That’s a good point, and if it were me I’d do as you say you would and if I felt threatened I’d start throwing. But, I wouldn’t be his teacher and in a school setting. Not sure why this simple concept is so hard for y’all to grasp.[/quote]

Because it’s moronic. Teachers are not fucking punching bags and have the same right to self defense as you and the cunt doing the intimidating.

Self-defense: why can’t you grasp that simple concept? It’s not hard…
[/quote]

Self defense? He was in her face, not hitting her. This isn’t the street, it’s her proffesional setting. Once again: this kid is a douche and needs a monumental beating, but his 64 year old teacher was not the one to try and deliver it.[/quote]

Where do you live that battery has to occur before you can defend yourself? Do you wait until you get shot to fire in self-defense too?

If someone got in my face like that at work, I would still punch them back to a SAFE distance. Why do you think that explicit and clear legal definitions don’t apply under fluorescent lights? That does not make any sense whatsoever.

SkyzykS · June 5, 2011, 6:55pm

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I don’t know man. While what he said was fucked up, he was just trying to intimidate her. He had no intention of hitting her, 'cause if he did it would’ve happened by the time she took a swing. And, he didn’t hit her back when he easily could’ve. She completely overreacted, and I can pretty much guarantee that they had been “at eachother” throughout the year. Being a teacher [or any position of authority] doesn’t make one immune to natural human feelings, and it’s pretty clear that there was a mutual dislike there. That may be an isolated incident, but we now know she’s capable of pretty irrational behavior. [/quote]

I think you’re waaaay off here. I have a simple question:

Would you ever allow anyone to invade your personal space like this? Ever? While calling you a cunt or the male equivalent? Because to do so is a good way to become a victim.

If anyone is talking aggressively to me and they get that close (not even that close, but close enough to hit me should they choose), I’m hitting first. Although I am shocked by what she did, NO ONE should have to tolerate someone threatening them in such a manner - and it’s absolutely a threat and intimidation. What do you do? Wait to get hit to be sure?

If my kid did that, I’d be kicking his ass when he got home and I’d have no complaint to the school. You just don’t do that.[/quote]

That’s a good point, and if it were me I’d do as you say you would and if I felt threatened I’d start throwing. But, I wouldn’t be his teacher and in a school setting. Not sure why this simple concept is so hard for y’all to grasp.[/quote]

And what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Why is that simple concept so hard to grasp?

If it is O.K. for you to do in response to a similar situation, why is it not O.K. for her?

Because of her profession? Remember now, she is a human being first, Then a teacher.

HeavyTriple · June 5, 2011, 6:57pm

[quote]angus_beef wrote:
i am saying what the teacher did was wrong.
[/quote]

We’re saying she wasn’t, and the law tends to agree with us.

You’re only receiving emotional responses because you are inexplicably arguing that a person backed into a corner, by a much larger person no less, has no right to self defense. I’d say we’re still waiting for your “logical” defense of that point.

WhiteFlash · June 5, 2011, 7:02pm