Teacher Punches Student

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Good on the teacher.

I can see from the video she had practically nowhere to go. Trapped in the corner. All reason to feel intimidated and fear for your well being. That kid was lashing abuse at her. I wonder what he was planning to do next…

I’m glad she didn’t get charged. Kids like the one on the video deserved to be punched for their lack of discipline and respect and threatening behaviour.

Also she’s a woman, smaller than him, height wise, and that little cunt probably thought it was good and safe enough to verbally abuse her and walk all over her.

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[quote]Nards wrote:
Regardless of whether she should have done it or not…I’m just happy the kid got hit.[/quote]

Indeed.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ Did I say it did? Thought I’d said that the kid is a punk ass and needs a beating. He just didn’t his 64 year old teacher to try and deliver it, in class, with several people around and one person filming it.[/quote]

My mom’s a teacher. It’s nice to know you think they should accept being cornered in school by juveniles as simply a part of the job instead of reacting like most human beings would in similar circumstances.

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That was awesome, glad she isn’t getting charged. Also can I get the number of the chick in plaid?

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Anyway, this teacher overreacted. If she wanted to get out of a door way, open the door and tell the kid to leave. [/quote]

I guess we disagree.

But you didn’t answer my question. Would you allow someone to talk aggressively to you and invade your personal space? Why should she have to “retreat”? She’s an authority figure. Why should she have to assume that “retreat” is a suitable and safe alternative?

Do you or do you not agree the kid crossed a line and became menacing and threatening? If you do, she was perfectly within her rights to do what she did. The law doesn’t require you to suffer an attack before you can legally defend yourself.

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Although I thin on the facts the prosecutor got it right I think it’s pretty dangerous to move the line way from where it is currently set (you may not hit students). Because, in many other cases, ones that are less clearly right/wrong, it could lead to abuse.
IMO the real problem here is that teachers have few other ways of getting out of these situations. They can send the kid to go and see the headmaster but any kid who does what that one did isn’t going to give a damn about the headmaster and clearly doesn’t care much for his education anyways. Idealy it would be directly turned over to the police who would be able to either scare the shit out of him or something worse.

ps: where I live (and study law) what the kid did would probably not consist of assault. (Although it’s hard to tell because the video starts right before the ‘action’).

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
That article nearly made me happy. We still don’t know if she’s getting her pay back from when she couldn’t teach. We don’t know if that kid will be charged with assault. .[/quote]

It said she was suspended with pay, so hopefully this punk ass kid didn’t hurt her at all financially…I think it also says the kid wasn’t arrested, so I doubt that will change in the future unless they change their mind as a result of this thing going viral…

And White Flash and I must have been watching different videos…

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yea, good for the teacher…kid was being a fuckin idiot and definitely deserved it…sweet skinny jeans he had on too, just for wearing them he derserved it

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Growing up we got hit in school if we fucked up.

Unfortunately this left a lasting impression on me.

When I got to high school, I flipped out and fucked up one of my teachers.

I guess he figured he had it coming, he never bugged me about it.

But I felt bad about it and apologized a week or two later.

Never laid a finger on a teacher again.

Except this one female professor in college…

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I say knock the shit out of him, knock the Twitter out of his ass, beat him til you find dark meat.

Kids like this learned to pull this shit either at home, or out in society, and because no one stands up to them, they continue to do it. This is classic bully type shit, where when you knock his dick stiff, he learns and is all the wiser.

When I was in junior high, I got jumped walking home by a gang. I got teased since I was still learning English, dressed kinda funny, and had an afro from hell for a white guy. I got beat up for wearing FILA shoes, which were the default shoe wear of LA gangbangers in the late 80’s. Shit, I didn’t know, nor was there much I could do since my parents bought my clothes anyway. So I got home, my parents saw my face bruised and swollen and I told them what happened. My dad told me he would go with me the next day to talk with the principal.

So we went, sat down the next morning with the Vice Principal and talked about what happened. VP told us that there was nothing he could do because a) this happened after school hours, and b) this happened off of school grounds, so the school was not technically responsible. This disturbed my dad and I, because the kids who did it went to the school there with me. My dad told the VP, “I came to you so you can handle it, because if you don’t handle it, I will handle it…” VP said, “nothing I can do sir.” My dad grabbed my hand, we walked out of there, and went back to our pick up truck. My dad lit a smoke, grabbed the 6-foot shovel and started heading back into the school. (background on my dad - crazy ass old school Italian raised during the war, Type A personality, hits first asks questions later, 6’3 235 and spoke very broken English). My dad starts walking up and down the halls banging the shovel against lockers, cigarette dangling out the side of his mouth, screaming “who beat up my son!!!” Kids running and teachers looking into the hallway to hear the commotion, then closed the doors out of fear. “If anyone touches my boy again, I will fucking kill you!” Never got bothered again…EVER. ***-Keep in mind that this was back in 1988, if this happened today he would be shot.

The point of my story is that what do you do when doing what is right doesn’t work? I am sure this kid had previous occurrences with violence, and I would be willing to bet the school didn’t do much if anything to discipline him.

Should the powers that be, be too pussified to do anything out of legal repercussions, fuck it, I say take the Alberto (my dad) approach. It is within my legal and moral right to protect myself should someone insinuate a threat against me or someone else. Drop the hammer just right, and the problem is forever solved.

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[quote]Simon Adebisi wrote:
Kids are assholes.

PUNCH ALL KIDS REGARDLESS OF CIRCUMSTANCES.[/quote]

This.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
If I was in that room, and seen such disrespect of a woman. Even without physical contact from him I would have bull rushed him and put him up against the wall for merely disrespect of a woman and disrespect for his elders.

There is no room for such disrespect, I don’t care that she’s a teacher or in a position of authority, the fact that she is a woman is reason enough.[/quote]

HAHA… laughable … In domestic violence cases police officers tend to arrest both individuals in same sex partnerships (female) 50 percent of the time. However, if the couple is a man and a woman, the woman gets arrested less the 1 percent of the time… It’s because the majority of people think the way you do.

What if the teacher was male? … Would the same principal apply?

How about if a male teacher punched another student in the face? Perhaps a female student.

What if this guy was your son? …Do you expect that when you send your kids to school that they’re being punched in the face by teachers?

We all deserve respect but no one is obligated to respect anyone, so why would anyone use force to implement something which isn’t unlawful?

If i’m walking down the street and someone walks up to me and calls me a bitch, do i then have the right to punch them in the face? The law allows us to use equal force to protect ourselves. Therefor if someone punches me in the face i am not protected under the law if i shot that individual. I cannot physically abuse someone who verbally abuses me.

Anyways i think because it’s a younger guy and an older woman most people have bias opinions on the incident. Not saying what the guy did was right but the severity of the action should not be gender dependent. Several students act like idiots… are we now giving teachers the ok to implement vigilante justice ? … Just food for thought.

By the way, in a civil lawsuit there is absolutely no question that the teacher and the school is fucked.

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[quote]angus_beef wrote:
What if this guy was your son? …Do you expect that when you send your kids to school that they’re being punched in the face by teachers?[/quote]

If that was my son, I’d be way more pissed off at him than anybody else here seems to be. Being my offspring wouldn’t exempt him from having his ass kicked for being a dick. Would you want your son running around acting like a piece of shit?

That’s not necessarily bias. It actually matters. There’s a huge disparity between the size of those individuals.

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EDIT: double post

New post: heavy metal rules!

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[quote]angus_beef wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
If I was in that room, and seen such disrespect of a woman. Even without physical contact from him I would have bull rushed him and put him up against the wall for merely disrespect of a woman and disrespect for his elders.

There is no room for such disrespect, I don’t care that she’s a teacher or in a position of authority, the fact that she is a woman is reason enough.[/quote]

HAHA… laughable … In domestic violence cases police officers tend to arrest both individuals in same sex partnerships (female) 50 percent of the time. However, if the couple is a man and a woman, the woman gets arrested less the 1 percent of the time… It’s because the majority of people think the way you do.

What if the teacher was male? … Would the same principal apply?

How about if a male teacher punched another student in the face? Perhaps a female student.

What if this guy was your son? …Do you expect that when you send your kids to school that they’re being punched in the face by teachers?

We all deserve respect but no one is obligated to respect anyone, so why would anyone use force to implement something which isn’t unlawful?

If i’m walking down the street and someone walks up to me and calls me a bitch, do i then have the right to punch them in the face? The law allows us to use equal force to protect ourselves. Therefor if someone punches me in the face i am not protected under the law if i shot that individual. I cannot physically abuse someone who verbally abuses me.

Anyways i think because it’s a younger guy and an older woman most people have bias opinions on the incident. Not saying what the guy did was right but the severity of the action should not be gender dependent. Several students act like idiots… are we now giving teachers the ok to implement vigilante justice ? … Just food for thought.

By the way, in a civil lawsuit there is absolutely no question that the teacher and the school is fucked.
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It’s amazing how some of you seem to be glossing over the fact that she was backed into a corner (or similar position) by a much bigger person acting in a threatening manner. Yes, I abso-fucking-lutely believe she has the right to lash out in that situation, regardless of whether she is a teacher or not.

I can’t speak realistically on what I would do if that were my son because I don’t have kids. However, I don’t see how I could see that as anything other than disgusting behavior on his part. Or are you OK with your kid physically intimidating elderly women?

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[quote]angus_beef wrote:
What if this guy was your son?
[/quote]

I would have beat his fucking ass worse than any teacher could have imagined.

You don’t have kids, do you?

Anyone that is actually a parent, and I mean a parent, not a sperm donor that thinks he/she is a parent, but an actual parent would be fucking appalled their child backed a teacher in a corner like that for being reprimanded for acting like an asshole.

My son ever did that to a teacher that yelled at him for being a fucktard in the first place, and I would let him know it was the last time he ever behaved that way in his life.

My son would get in trouble at home for having to be yelled at in the first place, let alone getting in a teachers face like that.

But then again, I’ve raised my child to know how to act in public, he would never pull shit like this, nor lick a fucking window like a retard.

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[quote]angus_beef wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
If I was in that room, and seen such disrespect of a woman. Even without physical contact from him I would have bull rushed him and put him up against the wall for merely disrespect of a woman and disrespect for his elders.

There is no room for such disrespect, I don’t care that she’s a teacher or in a position of authority, the fact that she is a woman is reason enough.[/quote]

HAHA… laughable … In domestic violence cases police officers tend to arrest both individuals in same sex partnerships (female) 50 percent of the time. However, if the couple is a man and a woman, the woman gets arrested less the 1 percent of the time… It’s because the majority of people think the way you do.

What if the teacher was male? … Would the same principal apply?

How about if a male teacher punched another student in the face? Perhaps a female student.

What if this guy was your son? …Do you expect that when you send your kids to school that they’re being punched in the face by teachers?

We all deserve respect but no one is obligated to respect anyone, so why would anyone use force to implement something which isn’t unlawful?

If i’m walking down the street and someone walks up to me and calls me a bitch, do i then have the right to punch them in the face? The law allows us to use equal force to protect ourselves. Therefor if someone punches me in the face i am not protected under the law if i shot that individual. I cannot physically abuse someone who verbally abuses me.

Anyways i think because it’s a younger guy and an older woman most people have bias opinions on the incident. Not saying what the guy did was right but the severity of the action should not be gender dependent. Several students act like idiots… are we now giving teachers the ok to implement vigilante justice ? … Just food for thought.

By the way, in a civil lawsuit there is absolutely no question that the teacher and the school is fucked.
[/quote]

Aside from that fact that what ifs do not exist and what is does, This incident actually meets the legal standard for self defense in virtually every state in the union.

She was backed into a place with no where to flee, and had no choice but to fight her way out.

I mean, if you want to sound all legal-n-stuff, you should at least know what the standard is. That is why the prosecutor did not press charges.

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[quote]angus_beef wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
If I was in that room, and seen such disrespect of a woman. Even without physical contact from him I would have bull rushed him and put him up against the wall for merely disrespect of a woman and disrespect for his elders.

There is no room for such disrespect, I don’t care that she’s a teacher or in a position of authority, the fact that she is a woman is reason enough.[/quote]

HAHA… laughable … In domestic violence cases police officers tend to arrest both individuals in same sex partnerships (female) 50 percent of the time. However, if the couple is a man and a woman, the woman gets arrested less the 1 percent of the time… It’s because the majority of people think the way you do.[/quote]

You mean with chivalry?

[quote]
What if the teacher was male? … Would the same principal apply?[/quote]

No because men and women aren’t the same. They are different.

You mean a grown ass man, punching a high school female in the face? Then I suppose I’d still have to bull rush a dude that came at a woman.

If someone punched me in the face, they better expect a bullet. I don’t fuck around and I’m not going to punch for punch unless I want to go punch for punch.

I guess you didn’t read…woman. This goes for little girls as well, females…don’t act like you’re gonna hit them or someone is probably going to punch you…or worse. It shouldn’t be gender dependent? Bull shit.

Vigilante Justice? How about self-defense…you do understand what self-defense is, don’t you?

Actually, they aren’t. Self-defense.

And, in case you are wondering. I don’t let women walk all over me, I can be chivalrous and not be a pussy willow. I know it’s difficult for boys to understand the difference between being submissive and being honorable, but maybe someone will teach you that lesson one day.

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[quote]spherenine wrote:
EDIT: double post

New post: heavy metal rules![/quote]

Thank you sir!

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:

[quote]angus_beef wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
If I was in that room, and seen such disrespect of a woman. Even without physical contact from him I would have bull rushed him and put him up against the wall for merely disrespect of a woman and disrespect for his elders.

There is no room for such disrespect, I don’t care that she’s a teacher or in a position of authority, the fact that she is a woman is reason enough.[/quote]

HAHA… laughable … In domestic violence cases police officers tend to arrest both individuals in same sex partnerships (female) 50 percent of the time. However, if the couple is a man and a woman, the woman gets arrested less the 1 percent of the time… It’s because the majority of people think the way you do.

What if the teacher was male? … Would the same principal apply?

How about if a male teacher punched another student in the face? Perhaps a female student.

What if this guy was your son? …Do you expect that when you send your kids to school that they’re being punched in the face by teachers?

We all deserve respect but no one is obligated to respect anyone, so why would anyone use force to implement something which isn’t unlawful?

If i’m walking down the street and someone walks up to me and calls me a bitch, do i then have the right to punch them in the face? The law allows us to use equal force to protect ourselves. Therefor if someone punches me in the face i am not protected under the law if i shot that individual. I cannot physically abuse someone who verbally abuses me.

Anyways i think because it’s a younger guy and an older woman most people have bias opinions on the incident. Not saying what the guy did was right but the severity of the action should not be gender dependent. Several students act like idiots… are we now giving teachers the ok to implement vigilante justice ? … Just food for thought.

By the way, in a civil lawsuit there is absolutely no question that the teacher and the school is fucked.
[/quote]

It’s amazing how some of you seem to be glossing over the fact that she was backed into a corner (or similar position) by a much bigger person acting in a threatening manner. Yes, I abso-fucking-lutely believe she has the right to lash out in that situation, regardless of whether she is a teacher or not.

I can’t speak realistically on what I would do if that were my son because I don’t have kids. However, I don’t see how I could see that as anything other than disgusting behavior on his part. Or are you OK with your kid physically intimidating elderly women?[/quote]

Yeah, some people here seem to be treating this as an act of discipline on the part of the teacher. This was not about discipline or “vigilante justice” but about self defense.

If the same scenario played out on a street corner: teen-aged thug backs old lady against wall screaming in her face and continuing to advance after lady repeatedly yells “get back”, until lady finally punches thug in the face - It’d be “YEAH! GRANDMA FTW!!” What if this was your son?! Seriously? What if that was your mother?

Regarding whether the same principle would apply to a male teacher, or a male teacher and a female student: factors such as relative size, strength, age, physical condition and, yes, gender are all relevant when considering the threat or perceived threat that one person poses to another and therefore the appropriate response. It’s called disparity of force. Also, in Canada at least, you are not legally obliged to wait until someone swings at you to respond. Section 265 (1)(B) of the Criminal Code of Canada allows threatening words accompanied by acts, and gestures to be considered assault, provided the person has the perceived ability to pose a credible threat. All these elements were present here. Section 37 allows the use of an appropriate level of force to PREVENT an assault. Regardless of legislation this is simply common sense.

Anybody who doesn’t think that kid may have posed a credible threat to that woman, especially what she may have reasonably perceived as a credible threat, doesn’t know a hell of a lot about violence. Would that kid have posed the same threat to a 35 year old male teacher who was 6’4", 230lbs and physically fit as he did to an elderly female? Obviously not. Ergo the same response from the hypothetical male teacher MAY not have been deemed justified. C’mon, is this really a problem for people?