Teacher Punches Student

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
My first thought:

Try rolling up on a cop like that and see what happens.

Teacher was 100000% in the right. Everyone arguing otherwise, you’re just wrong.[/quote]

The problem some are experiencing are trying to put this in a neat little box called, “right” or “wrong”. And it is neither. What it IS however, is legally permissible. We can argue until we’re blue in the face (some of us are) whether she handled the situation the “best” way, but all that is pretty damn irrelevant in the final (legal) analysis.

It’s really very very simple.

He presented a threat. He actually committed a crime.
She was legitimately and reasonably in fear for her safety.
She was within her legal rights to extinguish that threat and/or defend herself from what she believed might be an impending assault.
She had no obligation, under any setting (work, school, otherwise) to suffer an assault FIRST, before she acted - she only had to reasonably believe her safety was in peril.
She had no legal obligation, under any setting (work, school, otherwise) to retreat, run, open the door, do ninja backflips, do an arm-bar until the Calvary arrived, “phone a friend”, etc. NONE.

As for what was “right” or “wrong”, we have a short clip. We do not know the history of the kid (we do know she was "teacher of the year, and we can presume she has never abused any students). We do not know the events immediately preceding the assault. In other words, we know very little about anything to be making any “value judgments” about “right” and “wrong” or “best”.

On the merits of the clip, the teacher cannot be criticized, in my humble (but informed :slight_smile: ) opinion.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

Try rolling up on a cop like that and see what happens.

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AFTER you were tasered, or struck with a baton and possibly received a beating for your bravado, you would be arrested. And then charged with numerous crimes for your trouble.

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Personally, I just hope that kid keeps posting… great lulz

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

The problem some are experiencing are trying to put this in a neat little box called, “right” or “wrong”. And it is neither. What it IS however, is legally permissible. We can argue until we’re blue in the face (some of us are) whether she handled the situation the “best” way, but all that is pretty damn irrelevant in the final (legal) analysis.

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Thats cuz this is the interwebz. Home of “You are right, But I am righter!”.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

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If after reading the above account (which is more descriptive), you still have criticism of the teacher, you just “don’t get it” and never will.

I’ll close this with a quote from the article, that hits the fucking nail on the proverbial motherfucking head (and basically what I’ve been saying the entire thread):

â??Iâ??m hoping that the school district realizes that you donâ??t lose your God-given and your statutory right to defend yourself just because of the status of your life of being a teacher,â??â?? said Tison. â??This is a profession that was honored at one time, and now weâ??re really losing control in the schools.â??"

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She should get a raise.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

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It’s almost like they read this thread…

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The article said the courts said that there was not enough evidence to determine that the woman wasn’t acting in self-defense so she could not be charged. The courts did not say it was self-defense, only that it couldn’t be determined.

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Hmmm:

I guess that ends the bullshit WF was saying about there MUST have been previous instances.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
The article said the courts said that there was not enough evidence to determine that the woman wasn’t acting in self-defense so she could not be charged. The courts did not say it was self-defense, only that it couldn’t be determined.[/quote]

You have a misunderstanding of the legal system or, the way you have written it above is clearly misrepresenting reality.

The “courts” had nothing to do with this incident. The prosecutor declined to proceed based on the video and the student statements. There was no trial, hence to judgment relative to self-defense. The prosecutor made that judgment and its within his/her discretion and it had to be pretty damn clear. If it’s a “jump ball”, they will attempt to indict, and leave it to a grand jury (if a felony charge).

And, this is what the article ACTUALLY said:

“She was initially charged with felony child abuse, but the charge was recently dropped when the state attorneyâ??s office determined she had acted in self-defense.”

STATE ATTORNEY’S OFFICE DETERMINED SHE HAD ACTED IN SELF-DEFENSE (emphasis added, not shouting).

The following is HER attribution (and she’s a teacher, not a lawyer :slight_smile: ):

â??That one person was very vocal, but she was not in a position to see that he had made contact,â??â?? Hadsock said. â??Students who were over to the side who saw it, wrote that in their statements, which is why the stateâ??s attorney looked at their statements, the ones who could see, and looked at the video and determined that this could be self-defense.â??â??

Do you care to reconsider your post?

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
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Welcome back big man.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
The article said the courts said that there was not enough evidence to determine that the woman wasn’t acting in self-defense so she could not be charged. The courts did not say it was self-defense, only that it couldn’t be determined.[/quote]

You have a misunderstanding of the legal system or, the way you have written it above is clearly misrepresenting reality.

The “courts” had nothing to do with this incident. The prosecutor declined to proceed based on the video and the student statements. There was no trial, hence to judgment relative to self-defense. The prosecutor made that judgment and its within his/her discretion and it had to be pretty damn clear. If it’s a “jump ball”, they will attempt to indict, and leave it to a grand jury (if a felony charge).

And, this is what the article ACTUALLY said:

“She was initially charged with felony child abuse, but the charge was recently dropped when the state attorneyâ??s office determined she had acted in self-defense.”

STATE ATTORNEY’S OFFICE DETERMINED SHE HAD ACTED IN SELF-DEFENSE (emphasis added, not shouting).

The following is HER attribution (and she’s a teacher, not a lawyer :slight_smile: ):

â??That one person was very vocal, but she was not in a position to see that he had made contact,â??â?? Hadsock said. â??Students who were over to the side who saw it, wrote that in their statements, which is why the stateâ??s attorney looked at their statements, the ones who could see, and looked at the video and determined that this could be self-defense.â??â??

Do you care to reconsider your post?[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
My first thought:

Try rolling up on a cop like that and see what happens.

Teacher was 100000% in the right. Everyone arguing otherwise, you’re just wrong.[/quote]

I wanna know how many people would just ‘open the door’ or stand there if someone did that to them. I know if someone does that to me they will be sorry…that or they better get me before I do them.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

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Teachers just do not get paid enough for that. She should get a raise, not disciplined. Ginger should get happy slapped again, in my opinion.

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Still laughing at “window licking ginger.”

hahahahahaha

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

Try rolling up on a cop like that and see what happens.

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AFTER you were tasered, or struck with a baton and possibly received a beating for your bravado, you would be arrested. And then charged with numerous crimes for your trouble. [/quote]

and then sprinkled with crack

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[quote]debraD wrote:

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In the discussion of this news post, of the ~7500 people who voted, about 91.4% of them voted in favor of the teacher.

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holey moley

for a while I wanted to be a teacher but then I saw what they were paid.

This woman must be so disappointed in her students. So sad. No one came to her aid, and actually, should this situation even have happened. It just goes to show you that kids really are stupid.

I am glad how it turned out. I do wonder how this will affect her teaching in the future.

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I wonder how this would have gone with no video.

Wait, no I don’t. I KNOW how it would have gone.