Some of you people have some seriously F’d up views if you think the teacher should just stand there and get his ass kicked. It’s not like the teacher was 25 and the kid was 8. A 14 year old is a very significant threat and deserved the ass beating he got
The school in Cali is for teens with behavioral problems. The teacher is probably an old hardcore dude who takes no shit. When the kid refused to take out the trash, the teacher HAD to take charge or lose the class.
In Korea, the teachers walk around with riding crops and really lay it into the kids. Koreans realize that kids are not yet rational beings and need to be beaten as necessary. Otherwise the schools turn into a joke…kind of like here.
We need to learn from the Koreans.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
KombatAthlete wrote:
The teacher is in the wrong: “The student then slapped the teacher and the teacher punched the student at least three times in the head, Spike said.”
Way to back up your point there.[/quote]
I don’t see how anyone can think otherwise if the teacher responded to a slap from a student with multiple punches.
What ever happened to earning respect (for the teachers) by giving respect (to the students)? I don’t care if it was fear or the pitiful need to dominate teenagers. And to trade blows over taking out the fucking trash. That man is no teacher, he is a bully, and he deserved what he got.
Earning respect goes both ways, and just because you are in a position of power doesnt mean you lose your right to defend yourself, if the student wouldnt have put his hand on the teacher he wouldnt have “got knocked the fuck out”
[quote]BF Bullpup wrote:
What ever happened to earning respect (for the teachers) by giving respect (to the students)? I don’t care if it was fear or the pitiful need to dominate teenagers. And to trade blows over taking out the fucking trash. That man is no teacher, he is a bully, and he deserved what he got.[/quote]
Being the expert that you must be on situations such as this, and having clarivoyance of motives, what would you have done?
Would you have backed down from the punk? Or is that called “de-escalation” these days?
Do you speak in soothing tones? Maintain a safe distance with an unimposing posture while you hope that the kid decides to make the right choice?
Seriously. What do You do with a punk that disrupts your class, challenges you, then makes physical contact?
When students can touch a teacher violently like this and get away with it, we are done. What little learning taking place is just plain gone.
I’d bet that this teacher, from bitter experience, knew that the administration and parents would be against him. Teachers are left hung out to dry by worthless parents and bureaucrats. When this kid shoved him, he knew that the kid would get away with it. So, he smacked him, out of frustration with a shitbag system.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/japan_teacher_dc
Duck! Here comes Super Teacher!
Mon Sep 17, 8:56 AM ET
A Japanese teacher who threw a chair at his students was named “super teacher” by the local board of education despite having been reprimanded several times for using corporal punishment, a news agency said on Saturday.
The 52-year-old high-school teacher in Kyoto has been awarded the title every year since 2005 in spite of a history of aggression in the classroom because his strict teaching methods improved his students’ performance.
He was punished three times between 1997 and 2001 for physically attacking students, including throwing a chair at the volleyball team he was coaching, and was again accused of corporal punishment this year, Kyodo news agency said.
The teacher, who was not identified in the news agency report, resigned on Friday, having been on medical leave since the latest accusation. He was selected as a role model due to his “outstanding achievement in leading the volleyball team,” Kyodo said, citing board officials.
Japan’s school system has been at the centre of heated political debate for some time. Some politicians have demanded stricter discipline at Japanese schools, including harsher forms of punishment, to improve overall standards.
But others say that school children are already under too much pressure due to a heavy workload, a strict exam system and frequent cases of bullying.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The school in Cali is for teens with behavioral problems. The teacher is probably an old hardcore dude who takes no shit. When the kid refused to take out the trash, the teacher HAD to take charge or lose the class.
In Korea, the teachers walk around with riding crops and really lay it into the kids. Koreans realize that kids are not yet rational beings and need to be beaten as necessary. Otherwise the schools turn into a joke…kind of like here.
We need to learn from the Koreans.[/quote]
It’s no wonder they’re consistently in the top 3 in math education worldwide, while the US is behind several developing countries.
It seems to me that the teacher was justified in smacking the little bastard.
It’s too bad that the teacher will probably be fired, or forced into “early retirement” and the kid won’t get into any trouble.
I remember as a little kid I was literally dragged by my shirt collar to the principal’s office by one of my teachers. I definitely straightened up after that.
I think the only thing I have a problem with in this situation is that the teacher threw multiple punches at the student. The shoving and perhaps even the slap you can justify, but it’s hard to justify a grown man repeatedly punching a kid, even if the kid was instigating contact from the teacher.
I’d like to see more details on this story, like how big are both the student and teacher?
One’s a fourteen year old punk. One’s a 60 nyear old man who should know better.
I don’t care what he did, three punches to the head is excessive force. Grabbing him or holding him down I’ll accept, but I don’t see how the teacher was justified here.
And school is most definitely a joke. We are in school because apprenticeships are impossible due to specialization of jobs, and if we weren’t in school we’d be bugging the hell out of our parents. School is daycare. I will never use about 98% of everything I learn from preschool to high school.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
And school is most definitely a joke. We are in school because apprenticeships are impossible due to specialization of jobs, and if we weren’t in school we’d be bugging the hell out of our parents. School is daycare. I will never use about 98% of everything I learn from preschool to high school. [/quote]
Many, including myself, would argue that high school/middle school isn’t about learning the actual material, but learning how to learn and reason.
Beowolf makes a good point about school being a joke, sadly college is getting that way too. As far as specialization goes, it used to be all you needed was a high school diploma to make it, then slowly it turned to needing a bachelors degree, and now its getting to the point of having to have a Masters, and you end up entering the workforce at 27 all because you had to take bullshit like Music Apprecation and a Foreign Language you will never use. I am all for getting an education, but lets use it to learn knowledge that is applicable to the real world.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
And school is most definitely a joke. We are in school because apprenticeships are impossible due to specialization of jobs, and if we weren’t in school we’d be bugging the hell out of our parents. School is daycare. I will never use about 98% of everything I learn from preschool to high school. [/quote]
You are a victim of political correctness. If you had been beaten by your teachers and forced to learn, then you’d be far ahead of where you are now.
Look at the ‘Conan the Barbarian’ cartoon character: He wouldn’t have all the muscles or passion for life if everyone had been nice to him. He was repeatedly beaten and forced to work.
Seoul, Korea has the largest per capita number of Phds in the world for big cities. Its because the Koreans are hard on the kids and drive them.
I hope the kid in Cali gets more kind and considerate teachers who will beat him and try to turn him into a man, instead of all the hippie-flower child horseshit that passes for education these days.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
The school in Cali is for teens with behavioral problems. The teacher is probably an old hardcore dude who takes no shit. When the kid refused to take out the trash, the teacher HAD to take charge or lose the class.
In Korea, the teachers walk around with riding crops and really lay it into the kids. Koreans realize that kids are not yet rational beings and need to be beaten as necessary. Otherwise the schools turn into a joke…kind of like here.
We need to learn from the Koreans.
It’s no wonder they’re consistently in the top 3 in math education worldwide, while the US is behind several developing countries.[/quote]
It could also have to do with the fact that they practically exclude everything besides math and hard science.
If you hit someone in the face you’re opening yourself up to a beat down. Anyone who says the teacher is out of line has led a sheltered life and has never been in a real fight. At what point does the teacher have the right to fight back? After the kid starts punching him in the face? When the kid starts using a weapon? When 3 of his friends join in? Bullshit.
Once it has gotten physical you do what you have to do to end it. You don’t do some BS where you can only match the kid, or “hold him down” like some moron said. How do you know the kid won’t seriously injure/kill you? I sure as hell won’t take that chance.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
And school is most definitely a joke. We are in school because apprenticeships are impossible due to specialization of jobs, and if we weren’t in school we’d be bugging the hell out of our parents. School is daycare. I will never use about 98% of everything I learn from preschool to high school. [/quote]
Glorified babysitting.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Being the expert that you must be on situations such as this, and having clarivoyance of motives, what would you have done?
Would you have backed down from the punk? Or is that called “de-escalation” these days?
Do you speak in soothing tones? Maintain a safe distance with an unimposing posture while you hope that the kid decides to make the right choice?
Seriously. What do You do with a punk that disrupts your class, challenges you, then makes physical contact?
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This is from The Explosive Child by Ross Greene. If the other posters still disagree with me, feel free to read the book and see if you still feel the same way. It’s one of those books that changed me as a person.
There are 3 baskets:
Basket A - physical force and/or restraint is necessary
Basket B - try to talk to, or negotiate an agreement with the child
Basket C - ignore the situation and let it defuse
If a student comes at me with a switchblade, I pick up my classroom chair and have a jousting match with him. His life or mine, I’d rather it be mine. I would put that situation under Basket A.
If the same student tells me that a project he has to do today isn’t finished, I can ask him if he wants a zero or if he wants to finish it with me after school today to avoid that zero, I let him decide his fate and it saves me from giving him a zero and dealing with angry parents and principal. Either way I win because at least I gave him one last chance. That situation I would put under Basket B.
If I ask the same student to take out the trash and he doesn’t want to, no big deal. A natural consequence would be a classroom that will smell bad. Eventually he might change his mind and decide that the smell isn’t worth it, and I let him “win” by letting him decide not to take out the trash, so he decides to throw the trash out himself. Or I could even set an example by tossing the trash myself to show him that I’m not above him. So that situation is under Basket C.
I’m sorry if some of my post in this thread sounds so high and mighty. I became a teacher to help children, not to control them. I think now I understand how the cops that post on this site feel after reading anti-cop threads.