[quote]pittbulll wrote:
hey rip , I looked but could not find the clips of Johnny Carson ripping on Reagan for spending SO MUCH MONEY[/quote]
It’s right next to the clip of LBJ saying “that he would have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”[/quote]
The real sad part about that is that many African Americans (and whites as well) don’t even know understand that entitlements have really ruined their lives. When does expecting something for nothing ever work out well?
Yep Zeb, blame the others at some point and hopefully soon Americans are starting to realize this truth. Let’s hope more Americans wake up to this crap. The tea party is not going away Pitbull realize this, just after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor a Japanese Admiral stated that he was afraid he just awoke a sleeping giant.
The majority of Americans are right of center and you will soon learn my friend. I have many minority friends who have now seen the light and are telling me how right I was about our clown in office.
So please quit blaming others when your POTUS and Majority Senate are in full control along with your media. You know Im right fellow friend. And please no passive aggressive statements ok?
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Pitbull the Democrats had full control of the white house and yet did nothing about your issues. Yet when the Republicans control one house you come out whining. So now your blaming Reagen instead of Bush or both?
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The Dems are as culpable as the Reps , it just seems every one is painting the Reps as being these fiscally conservative people , when that is not true,
Hey and fuck you , I am not whining, you are the one whining " the dems had control"
“Then, as the Baby Boomers start to retire and health care costs continue to rise, the situation will get even worse. By 2025, the amount of taxes we currently pay will only be enough to finance our health care programs, Social Security, and the interest we owe on our debt. That’s it. Every other national priority-education, transportation, even national security-will have to be paid for with borrowed money.”
President Obama, speaking at George Washington University
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The sad part of the story , the Republicans had the opportunity to make America’s health care the best in the World, and they failed, we had every other country’s system to work with, it was no , no, no, now we have a so so system[/quote]
The best health care system in the world is the one you never use. And I say that in reference to how you eat and live your life. If you live like a fucking slob (eat like shit, smoke, drink, no exercise, etc), then I should not have to pay for your sick ass down the road. Now for those who are born with health issues, obviously that’s a different story. But if I have to pay for someone who sweats margarine, then I should get a tax write off on anything and everything that keeps me away from the doc. That includes healthy food, supplements, my gym membership, etc. [/quote]
Funny, if you look at all of the entitlement program dating back 60 plus years each can be traced back to a democrat. It takes some mighty big balls to actually say the republicans got us in to this mess. And by the way the same can be said for the states. Look at the states run primarily by democrats for an extended period of time and you have the same mess.
There are some realities here, guys, the most important of which has been shown over and over again throughout history;
When a group gains political power and influence…especially when it holds to stringent views and ideology; rest assured that a few things will happen:
It will do some good…and it will often do some bad.
It will alienate large segments of a populace AND
It will be co-opted and slowly “used” to push agendas that move it further and further away from the groups original “pure” ideals.
THESE POINTS ARE NOT UNIQUE TO THE TEA PARTY…BUT THE TEA PARTY IS ALSO NOT IMMUNE TO THEM NOW THAT THEY HAVE OBVIOUSLY BECOME AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE U.S. POLITICAL PROCESS. (By the way…for whomever said “they hold no elected political seat or office” is being disingenuous in not recognizing The Parties’ power and influence. “Power and Influence” and “Elected Office” are nowhere near being synonymous).
Back to my three points, what are my thoughts, looking at things as a voting citizen?
They have opened up the Political debate…and closed it at the same time.
This last debate (the debt ceiling) is a case in point. I’ll say this again: “Decreasing spending” is NOT the same as “Decreasing the Debt”. BOTH need to be done, no question…but the latter requires increased revenue. Insistence on not doing the latter, ironically, lead to a “deal” with far less spending cuts than an agreement reached by the President and Speaker Boehner…and FAR less than one proposed originally by the President.
Despite this attempt to paint the Tea Party as some “Rainbow Coalition” (hell…the ORIGINAL “Rainbow Coalition” was far from being all inclusive!)…the Tea Party is mostly pissed off, white conservatives. If you are a pissed off white conservative, you most certainly have a very powerful voice for your views.
Now some will argue “limited government”, “following the Constitution”, “living within our means” etc. are “neutral” stands that benefit us all…and that is true…but that leads me to the last part I brought up about the corruption of power;
With the recognition of its power and influence, “other” agendas are slowly but surely becoming part of what represents an acceptable “Tea Party” candidate; and these are way beyond limited Government and constitutional ideals, and are taking the form of signed “pledges” and “promises”, some of which go way beyond the original “platform” of The Party.
They all may play well on “PWI”…but it’s making a lot of American’s nervous.
So…for me, it’s a Party, started by GOP strategist (that I think go back to HW Bush? …sorry, guys…certainly a lot of “grass-roots” soldiers now, but not a “grass-roots” foundation)…that is now a very powerful and integral part of our Political Process…and just as susceptible to its corruption.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Funny, if you look at all of the entitlement program dating back 60 plus years each can be traced back to a democrat. It takes some mighty big balls to actually say the republicans got us in to this mess. And by the way the same can be said for the states. Look at the states run primarily by democrats for an extended period of time and you have the same mess. [/quote]
And the funny part that I always bring up, Zeb, is that there are not a lot of people of ANY political persuasion whom have turned away Government checks, subsidies, jobs, grants, loans, etc. when offered them…conservative or liberal…Democrat or Republican…
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Funny, if you look at all of the entitlement program dating back 60 plus years each can be traced back to a democrat. It takes some mighty big balls to actually say the republicans got us in to this mess. And by the way the same can be said for the states. Look at the states run primarily by democrats for an extended period of time and you have the same mess. [/quote]
And the funny part that I always bring up, Zeb, is that there are not a lot of people of ANY political persuasion whom have turned away Government checks, subsidies, jobs, grants, loans, etc. when offered them…conservative or liberal…Democrat or Republican…
Mufasa [/quote]
Yes, and it is a moot point whenever you do bring it up.
But hey, I guess slaves were not REALLY against slavery, since they took the food and clothes their masters provided.
After all, if they were not willing to suffer the harshest consequences for what they believed in they could hardly have meant it.
Tell you what, let us opt out. Everyone who does not want to have anything to do with it can keep all the taxes going to medicaire, medicaid and SS., including everything his employer shells out to the government of course.
If we run into trouble we are on our own.
IF there people should remain in the system that still whine and moan you can take it up with them.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Funny, if you look at all of the entitlement program dating back 60 plus years each can be traced back to a democrat. It takes some mighty big balls to actually say the republicans got us in to this mess. And by the way the same can be said for the states. Look at the states run primarily by democrats for an extended period of time and you have the same mess. [/quote]
And the funny part that I always bring up, Zeb, is that there are not a lot of people of ANY political persuasion whom have turned away Government checks, subsidies, jobs, grants, loans, etc. when offered them…conservative or liberal…Democrat or Republican…
Mufasa [/quote]
Democrats created this mess and the best you have is that “well republicans accepted it.” Yes after they fought against them and lost and they became the law of the land they accepted them. WOW–(eye roll)
Hey! I just had a great idea! Let’s all remain faithful to a party that has failed us REPEATEDLY for over 60 years!
[quote]orion wrote:
But hey, I guess slaves were not REALLY against slavery, since they took the food and clothes their masters provided.
After all, if they were not willing to suffer the harshest consequences for what they believed in they could hardly have meant it.
Tell you what, let us opt out. Everyone who does not want to have anything to do with it can keep all the taxes going to medicaire, medicaid and SS., including everything his employer shells out to the government of course.
If we run into trouble we are on our own.
IF there people should remain in the system that still whine and moan you can take it up with them.[/quote]
(You guys are killing me…)
Another BAD analogy.
Your tough “I’ll opt out/send me the money/tough-guy” stance holds no water; since most likely a) you haven’t done it and b) you won’t do it if you or a loved one find yourself in circumstances requiring Government help, assistance, jobs, subsidies, etc.
Again…I am NOT “Big Government”…and it needs to be reduced SUBSTANTIALLY.
But this “they” created it…and I use it (but don’t WANT to)…are very hollow arguments.
[quote]orion wrote:
But hey, I guess slaves were not REALLY against slavery, since they took the food and clothes their masters provided.
After all, if they were not willing to suffer the harshest consequences for what they believed in they could hardly have meant it.
Tell you what, let us opt out. Everyone who does not want to have anything to do with it can keep all the taxes going to medicaire, medicaid and SS., including everything his employer shells out to the government of course.
If we run into trouble we are on our own.
IF there people should remain in the system that still whine and moan you can take it up with them.[/quote]
(You guys are killing me…)
Another BAD analogy.
Your tough “I’ll opt out/send me the money/tough-guy” stance holds no water; since most likely a) you haven’t done it and b) you won’t do it if you or a loved one find yourself in circumstances requiring Government help, assistance, jobs, subsidies, etc.
Again…I am NOT “Big Government”…and it needs to be reduced SUBSTANTIALLY.
But this “they” created it…and I use it (but don’t WANT to)…are very hollow arguments.
Mufasa[/quote]
I would opt out tomorrow, but people like you wont let me.
But this “they” created it…and I use it (but don’t WANT to)…are very hollow arguments.
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Hollow? What are they supposed to do return their social security checks to the government just to show how mad they are that democrats rammed it down their throats? 50 years from now will your counter part be saying “there were republicans in office when Obama passed health care so it’s their fault too.” (even though the dems controlled both houses of congress and the White House when that catastrophe was passed).
No, really, your defense of the democrats long history of propping up people with other people’s money is incredibly weak. As all you have to say is “republicans accept checks too you know.”
WHO PROPOSED THIS SHIT? WHO VOTED FOR IT? THE DEMOCRATS!!