http://wcco.com/local/19.year.old.2.1620097.html
The times are changing indeed. I really really really hope the progressives underestimate the tea party movement. Smaller, more responsible government is coming back.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
http://wcco.com/local/19.year.old.2.1620097.html
The times are changing indeed. I really really really hope the progressives underestimate the tea party movement. Smaller, more responsible government is coming back.
V[/quote]
Progressives are congenitally unable to recognize a movement that is not government-sponsored, that has no particular leaders, that emerged spontaneously, that elevates principle over personal interest. It’s their blind spot.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
http://wcco.com/local/19.year.old.2.1620097.html
The times are changing indeed. I really really really hope the progressives underestimate the tea party movement. Smaller, more responsible government is coming back.
V[/quote]
Progressives are congenitally unable to recognize a movement that is not government-sponsored, that has no particular leaders, that emerged spontaneously, that elevates principle over personal interest. It’s their blind spot. [/quote]
I can’t even begin to think how good that is for us. I mean it is happening, over and over and over. Local groups are really starting to spring up everywhere. Our local meeting was held last wednesday, I was surprised to see people just keep walking in the door. Right at the beginning there was like 10 of us, and people just kept coming and coming and coming. I think we got over 40 to attend. Our first meeting. I mean usually you will get a lot of people to sign up to a website because it’s easy. But when people leave thier couches to go talk politics with nearly complete strangers, thats real and powerful.
What I also like about this movement is that it really appeals to seniors. Seniors have seen a lot of bullshit and can generally see it coming. You give older people an option for a no bullshit candidate, and I think you are going to get a large portion of the senior vote.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
http://wcco.com/local/19.year.old.2.1620097.html
The times are changing indeed. I really really really hope the progressives underestimate the tea party movement. Smaller, more responsible government is coming back.
V[/quote]
Progressives are congenitally unable to recognize a movement that is not government-sponsored, that has no particular leaders, that emerged spontaneously, that elevates principle over personal interest. It’s their blind spot. [/quote]
I can’t even begin to think how good that is for us. I mean it is happening, over and over and over. Local groups are really starting to spring up everywhere. Our local meeting was held last wednesday, I was surprised to see people just keep walking in the door. Right at the beginning there was like 10 of us, and people just kept coming and coming and coming. I think we got over 40 to attend. Our first meeting. I mean usually you will get a lot of people to sign up to a website because it’s easy. But when people leave thier couches to go talk politics with nearly complete strangers, thats real and powerful.
What I also like about this movement is that it really appeals to seniors. Seniors have seen a lot of bullshit and can generally see it coming. You give older people an option for a no bullshit candidate, and I think you are going to get a large portion of the senior vote.
V[/quote]
I agree entirely; and I am increasingly hopeful about all of this. If I’m seeing the stirrings of something big here in uber-liberal Boston, it must be everywhere…LOL.
I must say, it’s more than a bit odd to come home from one of those things and be confronted with how progressives are viewing them and how the legacy media are portraying them. The dissonance is mind blowing.
All those young nonvoting kids that everyone was making fun of during the 2008 elections are pissed off…
Hahaha! This is going to be fun.
53% of the vote over an incumbent.
I big reason for the demise of many incumbents will be the underestimation of the Tea Party. Whether you call them a legit movement, or a bunch of racist rednecks, neither matters at the ballot box. These people have finally learned that being pissed off means nothing unless you show it when you vote. He is even smarter for having Ron Paul as a mentor to learn from, the force could be strong with this one.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I big reason for the demise of many incumbents will be the underestimation of the Tea Party. Whether you call them a legit movement, or a bunch of racist rednecks, neither matters at the ballot box. These people have finally learned that being pissed off means nothing unless you show it when you vote. He is even smarter for having Ron Paul as a mentor to learn from, the force could be strong with this one. [/quote]
It just seems to me that people are starting to be like. Motherfuckers, you work for US you do what we say. I mean in this case the politicians had the same attitude as our current leaders in washington. We know whats best, you little poeple go away. Now, I can’t say for certain this election wasn’t won due to completely local issues and that alone. It could be, but it also could be the rumblings of “we are sick of government not listening to us and doing shit that we don’t need or want”. So if 53% of this town will vote for a 19 year old, will they vote alongside whoever the tea party can put up in 2010 and 2012?
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I big reason for the demise of many incumbents will be the underestimation of the Tea Party. Whether you call them a legit movement, or a bunch of racist rednecks, neither matters at the ballot box. These people have finally learned that being pissed off means nothing unless you show it when you vote. He is even smarter for having Ron Paul as a mentor to learn from, the force could be strong with this one. [/quote]
It just seems to me that people are starting to be like. Motherfuckers, you work for US you do what we say. I mean in this case the politicians had the same attitude as our current leaders in washington. We know whats best, you little poeple go away. Now, I can’t say for certain this election wasn’t won due to completely local issues and that alone. It could be, but it also could be the rumblings of “we are sick of government not listening to us and doing shit that we don’t need or want”. So if 53% of this town will vote for a 19 year old, will they vote alongside whoever the tea party can put up in 2010 and 2012?
V[/quote]
I think civil unrest is likely pretty soon, even with local politicians. People are frustrated with not being listened to.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I big reason for the demise of many incumbents will be the underestimation of the Tea Party. Whether you call them a legit movement, or a bunch of racist rednecks, neither matters at the ballot box. These people have finally learned that being pissed off means nothing unless you show it when you vote. He is even smarter for having Ron Paul as a mentor to learn from, the force could be strong with this one. [/quote]
It just seems to me that people are starting to be like. Motherfuckers, you work for US you do what we say. I mean in this case the politicians had the same attitude as our current leaders in washington. We know whats best, you little poeple go away. Now, I can’t say for certain this election wasn’t won due to completely local issues and that alone. It could be, but it also could be the rumblings of “we are sick of government not listening to us and doing shit that we don’t need or want”. So if 53% of this town will vote for a 19 year old, will they vote alongside whoever the tea party can put up in 2010 and 2012?
V[/quote]
I think civil unrest is likely pretty soon, even with local politicians. People are frustrated with not being listened to.[/quote]
Hopefully there is sweeping change in the midterms this year, I don’t think we can take the governemnt back in one fell swoop, but I think we can get enough people in to put the brakes on while we mount an even bigger offensive for 2012. I think either way there is going to be civil unrest though. I mean say we do get control back of this country from the politicians and say we do slash some spending. There very well could be some people who are so accustomed to getting stuff for free that when the gravy train stops coming in, the literally can’t feed themselves because they don’t know how to work.
V
Brother Chris, I agree with you. I do think that shit will pop off in the streets, if things run it’s current course.
This is a matter of listening. If politicians don’t listen, they will be made to.
I don’t think people understand how utterly corrupt national politics is. You can’t elect a clean politician. It’s as simple as that. Secondly, it’s not even about lawmakers, it’s about lobbyists. They hold 75% of the power. What can the average Joe (or 30 million average Joes, the equation remains the same) do against the people who control the strings of the government.
The Tea Party is simply a rouse. Even if they manage to oust the Democrats from Congress, we’ll still have the same BS we have today. Remember, it was a 100% Republican government that gave us Medicare Part D, which is basically a trillion black hole.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I think civil unrest is likely pretty soon, even with local politicians. People are frustrated with not being listened to.[/quote]
That will not happen. History tells us that there is no civil unrest unless there is first serious economic suffering. Obama and his cronies in congress are taking care of the vast unemployed by extending benefits. Beyond that no one is really hurting enough for any sort of civil unrest and that’s as it should be. Everyone will have the opportunity to speak at the ballot box in November.
[quote]0mar wrote:
The Tea Party is simply a rouse. Even if they manage to oust the Democrats from Congress, we’ll still have the same BS we have today. Remember, it was a 100% Republican government that gave us Medicare Part D, which is basically a trillion black hole.[/quote]
You are assuming that hitting bottom, or very close to it, has had no effect on the people. Wrong assumption.
Politicians are using a bend but don’t break philosophy. How far can they bend the law and the people, without it breaking? The problem is, is that nothing is unbreakable. People tolerate bullshit for only so long.