Bingo! They’re just taking advantage of its ability to stop a perp’s movement so they can gain control. Its their first reaction instead of trying to physically restrain the perp with their own energy.
This is the most absurd statement I have ever heard. Why would I wish to injure myself by wrestling with some cracked out junkie?
I’m sorry you had a run in with the law, but in my opinion those officers were doing there job. How do they know you aren’t some stalker waiting outside for an employee. It is their job to be paranoid, so that they can possibly cause an ounce of prevention instead of being that day late and dollar short you accuse them of. Sounds like they were mighty terrifying with all their “questions”. Did you have to go home and cry into the pillow later that night. Did your wife comfort you and let you know it was all right. Did you find your balls later that night?
I question how police employ tasers and under what circumstances they do so. I am certain there is a breach in or lack of training in most of those instances where death has occurred.
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I question what you even know about tasers. When there is one succesful case against TASER, instead of a media witch hunt, then maybe I will doubt their non-lethality. My heart is bleeding over the methed out junkies who have died so far. To bad more methed out junkies aren’t dying. And for the record–I have been shot w/ a taser, and I think their effectiveness is without question.
Bingo! They’re just taking advantage of its ability to stop a perp’s movement so they can gain control. Its their first reaction instead of trying to physically restrain the perp with their own energy.
This is the most absurd statement I have ever heard. Why would I wish to injure myself by wrestling with some cracked out junkie?
I’m sorry you had a run in with the law, but in my opinion those officers were doing there job. How do they know you aren’t some stalker waiting outside for an employee. It is their job to be paranoid, so that they can possibly cause an ounce of prevention instead of being that day late and dollar short you accuse them of. Sounds like they were mighty terrifying with all their “questions”. Did you have to go home and cry into the pillow later that night. Did your wife comfort you and let you know it was all right. Did you find your balls later that night?
I question how police employ tasers and under what circumstances they do so. I am certain there is a breach in or lack of training in most of those instances where death has occurred.
I question what you even know about tasers. When there is one succesful case against TASER, instead of a media witch hunt, then maybe I will doubt their non-lethality. My heart is bleeding over the methed out junkies who have died so far. To bad more methed out junkies aren’t dying. And for the record–I have been shot w/ a taser, and I think their effectiveness is without question.
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Really?
It is just that a cops job is to serve and protect even methed out junkies.
Really, and what exactly should methed out junkies be protected from, dirty needles, poor pick of trash from dumpsters, the cold cold ground of public parks. What a load of relativistic nonsense. You are either a part of the problem or part of the solution-and methed out junkies are part of the problem.
[quote]Valentinius wrote:
Really, and what exactly should methed out junkies be protected from, dirty needles, poor pick of trash from dumpsters, the cold cold ground of public parks. What a load of relativistic nonsense. You are either a part of the problem or part of the solution-and methed out junkies are part of the problem.[/quote]
Collectivist hogwash.
I refuse to be part of your solution and if that makes me part of the problem in your eyes, I suppose that is something you have to live with in an even moderately free society.
What a methhead needs protection from is unwarranted violence directed against him by others, even cops.
[quote]orion wrote:
Valentinius wrote:
Really, and what exactly should methed out junkies be protected from, dirty needles, poor pick of trash from dumpsters, the cold cold ground of public parks. What a load of relativistic nonsense. You are either a part of the problem or part of the solution-and methed out junkies are part of the problem.
Collectivist hogwash.
I refuse to be part of your solution and if that makes me part of the problem in your eyes, I suppose that is something you have to live with in an even moderately free society.
What a methhead needs protection from is unwarranted violence directed against him by others, even cops.
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And who protects the average slob from the methhead troublemaker?
Most of the unwarranted violence methheads are involved in is started by methheads.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
First of all the taser problem is not really a problem at all. It makes good news so some media outlets have it as their lead story each night. Once again the media is making something out of nothing.
Those who want to remove this tool from the police are not thinking very clearly.
Think of it this way, if someone needs to be taken down the police will do it one way or the other. Is it better for 4 or 5 of them to tackle a crazed individual, or to simply pull out a taser?
In the first instance one of the policemen, or the crazed individual might get hurt. Bodies tumbling onto pavement is not conducive to good health and safety. In the second instance the use of the taser protects all involved even the suspect.
Police should keep tasers as a good line of defense. If anything perhaps more training wouldn’t hurt, but over all I think they’re doing a pretty darn good job in light of what they have to face each day on the street.
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If the end result is a death then there is a problem. No, its not the taser that is the problem. It is the person doing the tasering that is a problem.
The whole point of these devices were that they were supposed to be nonlethal. They are not nonlethal. A baton is more nonlethal. Frankly I think if a cop is going to rough up a junkie for nothing more than being stoned then he should have to use his own body under his own force.
Fuck those dirty, rotten, authoritarian, jack-booted pigs and their deadly force – and while we’re at it – fuck the State that lets them get away with it.
[quote]Valentinius wrote:
And for the record–I have been shot w/ a taser, and I think their effectiveness is without question.
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Great, let me taser you when you aren’t aware its going to happen and there aren’t extra hands around to ease you to the ground. Then let me keep on tasering you because you’re fighting against the current uncontrollably as electricity fries your organs. Then you can tell me how great MY effectiveness is.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
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The whole point of these devices were that they were supposed to be nonlethal. They are not nonlethal. A baton is more nonlethal. Frankly I think if a cop is going to rough up a junkie for nothing more than being stoned then he should have to use his own body under his own force.
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I would much rather get tased than hit w/ a baton, especially when the adrenaline is flowing.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I would much rather get tased than hit w/ a baton, especially when the adrenaline is flowing.[/quote]
No you wouldn’t. When the adrenaline is pumping you won’t feel a baton – plus there are regulations where they can and cannot hit you. With a taser it doesn’t matter because it affects everything. When you start to uncontrollably flail as the cop persists with the taser do you think he is going to ease up? That’s were all the damage happens.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I would much rather get tased than hit w/ a baton, especially when the adrenaline is flowing.
No you wouldn’t. When the adrenaline is pumping you won’t feel a baton – plus there are regulations where they can and cannot hit you. With a taser it doesn’t matter because it affects everything. When you start to uncontrollably flail as the cop persists with the taser do you think he is going to ease up? That’s were all the damage happens.[/quote]
I have been tased a number of times with a handheld unit. I have seen a friend of mine beaten by police with batons.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I have been tased a number of times with a handheld unit.
Getting tasered in a controlled environment is a different thing than getting tasered in a scuffle.[/quote]
I was scuffling with my buddy. We used to zap each other all the time and fight for the thing. It is far less harmful than getting whacked with a club. Especially if the whacker is pumped up and swings too hard.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I would much rather get tased than hit w/ a baton, especially when the adrenaline is flowing.
No you wouldn’t. When the adrenaline is pumping you won’t feel a baton – [/quote]
And when the andreline and the PCP is pumping you won’t feel a baton. That’s the point of the taser. You just made the case for why tasers have to be carried.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I was scuffling with my buddy. We used to zap each other all the time and fight for the thing. It is far less harmful than getting whacked with a club. Especially if the whacker is pumped up and swings too hard.[/quote]
[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I was scuffling with my buddy. We used to zap each other all the time and fight for the thing. It is far less harmful than getting whacked with a club. Especially if the whacker is pumped up and swings too hard.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
And when the andreline and the PCP is pumping you won’t feel a baton. That’s the point of the taser. You just made the case for why tasers have to be carried.[/quote]
Tasers kill when they are misused by non-experts. Batons may fuck someone up if swung in the right manner but they are non-lethal.
First of all…TASERS are not “the enemy of the free.” PEOPLE THAT BASICALLY SUPPORT ANARCHY are the enemy of the free more than a TASER will ever be…ironic.
I carried a TASER for 2 years and used it a total of 7 times. I was shot with a TASER to be certified to carry one…yeah it was a controlled environment…I had a person on each side of me to break my fall…I was shot in the back with no warning…5seconds of hell. Is any tool by law enforcement meant to be used in a “controlled” environment?
Speaking of controlled things…why don’t you hear about the number of TASER deaths that are a combination of drug abuse,adrenaline,and strain on the heart? Yeah,the TASER contributes to that…but I guess you should just use your firearm instead,right? You might say…just use pepper spray or tear gas…If I can fight through pepper spray or tear gas, how are you supposed to stop someone who’s already hyped on drugs and adrenaline? Hell, for those that don’t watch too many movies…you already know that even shooting a person thats high on something is not a 100% guarantee of stopping that person…he/she could kill you before you blink.
A short story: A guy was arrested(he actually called the police) for killing two people with a hammer(drugs + history of scizophrenia= somebody’s probably gone ape shit)…they bring him in…he’s 6’6,330lbs samoan dude…he fights…they pepper spray him…he fights more…I tazer him…one trigger pull…he pulls barbs out and he fights more…another cartride deployed…he say’s “bring it on,I like that shit!” I’ve basically tasered him 5 times…so what now?..he’s already hurt two officers…so instead of shooting his ass…it took 7 officers to jump his ass while I “dry-stun” him under his armpit and he’s had enough. He could of died from the TASER or having 7 people on him…but thats what it took…what else could of been done besides just shooting him?
The issue with the TASER is better training…and more respect for it…it should be on use of force policy next deadly force with firearm. But lets face it not everbody should be given a TASER just like not everybody should be given a badge and a gun. Even then, in those WARRANTED circumstances that call for quick decisions the TASER will always be better than just shooting somebody. People complain of police shootings…they now have an effective alternative and people complain even more…people did the same thing with pepper spray.
People tend to condemn things without even having a logical alternative or solution. So what is a better alternative or solution?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Sloth wrote:
And when the andreline and the PCP is pumping you won’t feel a baton. That’s the point of the taser. You just made the case for why tasers have to be carried.
Tasers kill when they are misused by non-experts. Batons may fuck someone up if swung in the right manner but they are non-lethal.
Cops should use their own force to subdue a perp.[/quote]
Bullshit. Batons are lethal if used improperly. It is far easier to beat someone to death with a baton than getting a freak heart attack because of taser use.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Sloth wrote:
And when the andreline and the PCP is pumping you won’t feel a baton. That’s the point of the taser. You just made the case for why tasers have to be carried.
Tasers kill when they are misused by non-experts. Batons may fuck someone up if swung in the right manner but they are non-lethal.
Cops should use their own force to subdue a perp.[/quote]
And if cops use nothing but their own force we would still have the same arguments. An unarmed cop will be even more on edge and will have more reasons to beat the shit out people. Besides if cops are unarmed and being shot and killed every damn hour…which we all know would happen…what little security people have from LAW ENFORCEMENT will totally be out the window. Then we are faced with a vigilante state were people will take the law and “good” judgement into their own hands…exactly the way you want it I suppose…idiot.
Ohh…and what are batons made of now…silly putty??? A Baton can be just as lethal,trust me. Sad you didn’t know that but make an argument about TASER related deaths.