I have been on a cycle of testosterone 200 depot alone for about 5 weeks now at 300mg every 3 days. I have made great gains and feel better and better every week. My plan is 6 weeks…so next week is my last week. I’m not sure if I should taper off or just end with a 300 shot and thats it. Just trying to get personal experiences.
I have plenty of post drugs to keep my Estro levels down and some to help the sack produce test naturally. I’m just not sure of the best way to taper off of Enan alone . If I had to do it without any advise I would do 200 total next week and 100 the week after for a 7 week cycle. Any thoughts?
if its test enanthate than you should be on for a minimum of 10 weeks to see good gains. if its test enanthate you dont need to taper off it. use AIFM during and after and also clomid for a couple weeks after and it’ll be a great cycle
[quote]BIG_DAWS wrote:
AzCats wrote:
Yes…It’s test Enan
if its test enanthate than you should be on for a minimum of 10 weeks to see good gains. if its test enanthate you dont need to taper off it. use AIFM during and after and also clomid for a couple weeks after and it’ll be a great cycle[/quote]
10 weeks sounds like a long time. I don’t want to put my test production completely out of business. I have seen 11 pounds of good solid mass at week 5. If I am correct, Enan stays in the system for a couple of weeks. Maybe 8 max for me. I wish I could get clomid down here in Mexico,but Nolv is my only option here. Thanks for the input
Nolva doesn’t just block estorgen from getting to the receptor. It also helps restore your HPTA. It is a good product for recovery (some say better than clomid). Don’t have experience with both but I didn’t find Nolva helped me that much other than getting rid of water retention and keeping the gyno ferry away. I am going the taper route this time.
On another note - You are completely shut down by week 6, once you’re shut down what’s the harm in running it another 4 weeks? You’re shut down, once the motor is cold does it matter how long you weight to start it? This may be flawed reasoning so if anyone knows if it makes a difference please jump in.
Personally I found my gains were still coming by week 8 on test (the weight increase was pretty much plateau’d but the quality of the muscle was still improving, getting leaner and denser) and I would have stayed on longer but I had to be out of the country for work for 2 weeks and didn’t have the choice. I managed to sneak the nolva on the plane but didn’t even wanna try to hide gear.
Bushy - you ever plan to go off? I remember you talking about tapering off for a bit but never heard how it went.
just wondering cause I have thought about what the repercussions of staying on would be and I haven’t seen much other than it makes it hard to have kids. The whole heart strain thing seems to be over rated. Prostate sort of a concern but again seems to be over rated.
seems like a lot of juicers that don’t wanna have any more kids juice at low-medium doses constantly just cause they feel better ‘on’.
5 weeks is too short for that ester. Your bodies natural test production is more than likely shut down already. 8 - 10 weeks should suffice, this way your body has time to adapt to your added mass and reach homeostasis.
Those gains you made in the first 5 weeks are highly unlikely to be ‘solid’ ie. you probably will not keep them post cycle. I’ve been told to aim for a pound a week, this also depends on how close or far away you are from your potential or body’s ability to keep those gains.
Your taper will take you around 8-10 weeks to complete and your natural Test can be shut down at any dose higher than 100mg/week.
I just finished my taper last week and have been on since September. I did 4 weeks at 100mg E3D, then 75, 50, 40, 20, 15, 10, and 5 of test and mast…well something along those lines anyway. Libido feels good so far, no real noticeable changes. I also have been using ECA and some insulin as I was tapering. I haven’t used any SERMS, AI (only during cycle) or hcg. My weight has only decreased about 2.5lbs, but there has been a slight change in body comp.
Extend the cycle, try the taper and give us some feedback.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I would taper off. It makes sound physiological sense and quite a few people report great success with it. I would drop it fairly rapidly to 200mg/wk but then slow the taper from there, by about 50mg/ wk, down to a couple of weeks @ 50mg.
Then I would run 20mg nolva ED to kick up natty T production. But thats just me . I should say that I have never actually tried this personally, (because I am always ‘on’ to some extent) but based upon my understanding of physiology, it’s the soundest plan to my mind.[/quote]
How long have you been on? Are you still responding?
Long term shutdown can lead to irreversable tissue changes in the testes. The shrinkage with shutdown varys by person. I expect that those with the highest shrinkage are at risk of damage. If you can get HCG, that does not have to happen. Some do HCG for the whole cycle.
It does matter how long you are shutdown.
When the testes shrink, it also then takes longer for them to respond to LH when that starts and get back to normal production
I tapered off my last cycle- though not quite as long of a taper as Bushy described. I used Clomid and tribulus in addition. It worked well. It seemed like my daddy-parts were back to normal by about month after my last true cycle shot.
While my bloat and aggression disappeared, I still had great workouts and my strength gains mostly stayed around.
[quote]KSman wrote:
Long term shutdown can lead to irreversable tissue changes in the testes. The shrinkage with shutdown varys by person. I expect that those with the highest shrinkage are at risk of damage. If you can get HCG, that does not have to happen. Some do HCG for the whole cycle.
It does matter how long you are shutdown.
When the testes shrink, it also then takes longer for them to respond to LH when that starts and get back to normal production
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Wouldn’t hCG render all post cycle drugs completely useless(given that one was tapering off T dose)?
It does suprise me that everyone doesn’t run hCG with all their cycles.
I would have to agree with the majority here. 6 weeks is too short for that compound. If you are going to run six weeks, you may as well run 10. Suppression should have already kicked in, and the pronounced effects of the test should just now be kicking in. This is kinda like kicking your woman off of you when its just getting good…
You wouldn’t do that, and I don’t think you should do this.
As far as the other topic;
There have been plenty of guys who used gear all the time, that have perfectly healthy families now. Bushy is definitely smart enough to know what to do and how to do it to ensure his health and safety. If he was some 19 year old idiot, we would have cause for worry.
Ok guys, You talked me into it. 10 weeks it is. Off to the vet to get another 10ml test 200 depot. I think I will bump the next 2 weeks 6-8 to 1000mg then use the last 500mgs to taper off the final 2 weeks. Thanks for the great info.
. I should say that I have never actually