Advice for Coming Off a Long Cycle

Pharma / TRT
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Does anyone have any advice for coming off a 6 month cycle or even a year or more? The cycle so far has consisted of Test Enanthate at 500mg/wk for 14 weeks with 6 week break on low dosage of anavar. HCG has been used intermittently at 250IU 2x/wk after about the 8th week so the nuts are doing well. No real ancillaries where used or needed. I have access to basically anything I would need other than GH which I have no desire to use.

I am in my upper 30’s and weight 235lbs at about 10-12% BF. I train exclusively for powerlifting and could care less about size, but I need to maintain strength as much as possible.

Do you think that my natural test would eventually recover if I started cycling 6wk on/6wk off or 8on/8off?

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I don’t really understand. You did 14wk and how does the 6wk of var fit in? You said you used hcg and 14 isn’t that long so the recovery shouldn’t be bad. You also want to do 6-8/on 6-8/off over and over? That should be fine too. So were does being on for 6mo-year come in? As far as coming off those I would do a real long taper, adding in hcg if your testes were resistant, but that is unlikely.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
stasis for 10 weeks (if coming off a 6-12 month cycle) and taper for 6.

Bushy[/quote]

Bushy could you explain what stasis means I see it all the time on threads. Sorry for the treadjack

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[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
I don’t really understand. You did 14wk and how does the 6wk of var fit in? You said you used hcg and 14 isn’t that long so the recovery shouldn’t be bad. You also want to do 6-8/on 6-8/off over and over? That should be fine too. So were does being on for 6mo-year come in? As far as coming off those I would do a real long taper, adding in hcg if your testes were resistant, but that is unlikely.[/quote]

The 6 weeks was to give my body a break without actually getting off. Basically I used just enough to maintain/make slight gains. I always found that after about 12 weeks my gains started to taper off and after doing that my 2nd 14 weeker was just like my 1st, really productive.

The comment about the 6-8/0n 6-8/off was meant to mean if I just took say 8 weeks off and then did another 8 weeks on and continued like this indefinitely…would it be possible to eventually recover during the 8 weeks off despite the long cycle leading into it and the only 8 weeks off to start.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
stasis for 10 weeks (if coming off a 6-12 month cycle) and taper for 6.

Bushy[/quote]

Hey Bushy…so far I have done 14 weeks test…6wk Var…14 week Test…6week Var and I am trying to decide if I really want to even bother getting off for a while since I plan on getting back on within 15-16 weeks for my next competition. I am only 50lbs short of totalling Elite in the APF at 220lbs and I am not quitting until I break some records.

In reality I know that I will not be doing this (AAS/Powerlifting) for the rest of my life so I need to take that into consideration. That being said would it be smarter to stop with the long cycle stuff and go back to a more traditional 8-on/8-off or do you think it would be possible to recover from a 2-3 year cycle?

As far as my original question, since I have been on Var for 6 weeks at about 50mg/day would you still recommend a 10 week stasis and a then a taper of do you think a traditional 6 week PCT using Nolva, etc. would work considering my intermiten use of HCG throughout my cycle?

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Go with the 10 week stasis and then 6 week taper to allow your body to go back to whatever your current natural production is.

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A taper with a much extended stasis period like Bushy and LillGuy said. You could even stretch that stasis to twelve weeks and then taper down for 5 weeks after that.

The beauty of a taper is that you can technically get back on a cycle as soon as your taper is complete, but I’d recommend some time for you since you’ve been on so long and all over the place with your compounds…

World

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i just came off of 30 weeks straight and am currently in my 5th week of my taper w/SERM application. i will share my results to try and add some perspective. but by no means do you take this as gospel.

keep in mind that everyone is different and have different “bounce back” abilities/reactions. my recovery phase is based on the principles laid out in Pris’ taper, but is somewhat a bastardized hybrid of taper and standard PCT. i took the approach based on what i felt would work for me personally, based on previous experiences and the reading i have done on the subject.

my stasis was 4 weeks of prop: 200, 200, 100 and 100 mg/week respectively. keep in mind that I was only running test enan for the final 2 weeks of my cycle at 600 mg/week.

during these stasis weeks i was running 0.25 mg EOD aromasin, 20 mg nolvadex ED, and added 500 IU HCG EOD for the last two weeks of the stasis period.

the taper is now in it’s 5th week.

weeks 1 & 2: 75 mg prop/week, 10 mg Nolva ED, 0.25 mg aromasin 2x/week
week 3: 50 mg prop/week
week 4: 25 mg prop/week, w/50 mg clomid ED
week 5: 10 mg prop/week, w/50 mg clomid ED

I will continue with clomid for another week and then week 7 will be nothing at all. i don’t plan on cycling again until mid/late march, which will be a 6 weeker w/short esters.

so far, have lost 6-7 pounds. maximal strength remains the same, only rep endurance is affected. libido has been fine, with only 2 days of feeling shut down during the end of week 3.

i don’t see why i would experience a crash at this point. i feel great, and think i have managed the recovery phase intelligently with a mix of basic pharmacology & physiology knowledge, and more importantly knowing my body.

i guess i will find out in a week or two when there is nothing in me at all with regards to exogenous test and/or ancillaries.

the point i think i’m trying to make…, i don’t think a super extended stasis/taper period is necessary when you have been running just test and anavar in rotation.

i think the standard stasis and taper laid out in p-22’s protocol (which i believe is 12 weeks total) will work fine. i personally like the added SERM therapy, but it’s probably not necessary.

just my 2 rambling cc’s

good luck.

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After listening to your advice and doing some more research I’ve decided to try something like juice20jd did except I’m going to use Test enanthate in the same taper that P22 sujested in his test taper thread and I’m going to use just Nolva by itself. I’m going to keep using 250IU 2x/wk of HCG during my stasis and then cut it before I taper. I plan on a 6 week stasis and then a 6 week taper. I’ll post the results when I complete it.

Thanks for all the great advice!

[quote]juice20jd wrote:
i just came off of 30 weeks straight and am currently in my 5th week of my taper w/SERM application. i will share my results to try and add some perspective. but by no means do you take this as gospel.

keep in mind that everyone is different and have different “bounce back” abilities/reactions. my recovery phase is based on the principles laid out in Pris’ taper, but is somewhat a bastardized hybrid of taper and standard PCT. i took the approach based on what i felt would work for me personally, based on previous experiences and the reading i have done on the subject.

my stasis was 4 weeks of prop: 200, 200, 100 and 100 mg/week respectively. keep in mind that I was only running test enan for the final 2 weeks of my cycle at 600 mg/week.

during these stasis weeks i was running 0.25 mg EOD aromasin, 20 mg nolvadex ED, and added 500 IU HCG EOD for the last two weeks of the stasis period.

the taper is now in it’s 5th week.

weeks 1 & 2: 75 mg prop/week, 10 mg Nolva ED, 0.25 mg aromasin 2x/week
week 3: 50 mg prop/week
week 4: 25 mg prop/week, w/50 mg clomid ED
week 5: 10 mg prop/week, w/50 mg clomid ED

I will continue with clomid for another week and then week 7 will be nothing at all. i don’t plan on cycling again until mid/late march, which will be a 6 weeker w/short esters.

so far, have lost 6-7 pounds. maximal strength remains the same, only rep endurance is affected. libido has been fine, with only 2 days of feeling shut down during the end of week 3.

i don’t see why i would experience a crash at this point. i feel great, and think i have managed the recovery phase intelligently with a mix of basic pharmacology & physiology knowledge, and more importantly knowing my body.

i guess i will find out in a week or two when there is nothing in me at all with regards to exogenous test and/or ancillaries.

the point i think i’m trying to make…, i don’t think a super extended stasis/taper period is necessary when you have been running just test and anavar in rotation.

i think the standard stasis and taper laid out in p-22’s protocol (which i believe is 12 weeks total) will work fine. i personally like the added SERM therapy, but it’s probably not necessary.

just my 2 rambling cc’s

good luck.[/quote]

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I came off a 6 month cycle about 6 months ago (My cycle began last feb and ran a little over 6 months).

I tapered the test down gradually from 600mg to 100mg/w and then kept it there for about 3 weeks then tapered down from there for another 6 weeks or so. I ran some nolva after it was done because I wasn’t feeling normal (but after 6 months of over a gram a week of test/EQ/masteron I think my expectations of normal were a little off)…

I ended up taking an extended amount of time off because I got married, went on a 2 week honeymoon, bought a new house and moved so there has been a little too much action to really devote to proper training. I have to say I feel no better now than I did 4 months ago (I still miss having exogenous test running through my viens, I miss having a super charged sex drive, I miss having the energy to do 2 hours workouts, I miss having explosive power at a seconds notice) so I don’t know if having an extended break makes much difference for me.

I doubt I will run another cycle that long unless it is TRT which is a definite possibility after I’m done having kids. My next experiment will be an 8 week on 8 off and then maybe some short cycles.

That’s my rambling 2cc’s

FG

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[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
I came off a 6 month cycle about 6 months ago (My cycle began last feb and ran a little over 6 months).

I tapered the test down gradually from 600mg to 100mg/w and then kept it there for about 3 weeks then tapered down from there for another 6 weeks or so. I ran some nolva after it was done because I wasn’t feeling normal (but after 6 months of over a gram a week of test/EQ/masteron I think my expectations of normal were a little off)…

I ended up taking an extended amount of time off because I got married, went on a 2 week honeymoon, bought a new house and moved so there has been a little too much action to really devote to proper training. I have to say I feel no better now than I did 4 months ago (I still miss having exogenous test running through my viens, I miss having a super charged sex drive, I miss having the energy to do 2 hours workouts, I miss having explosive power at a seconds notice) so I don’t know if having an extended break makes much difference for me.

I doubt I will run another cycle that long unless it is TRT which is a definite possibility after I’m done having kids. My next experiment will be an 8 week on 8 off and then maybe some short cycles.

That’s my rambling 2cc’s

FG[/quote]

Congrats on marriage and house. Good luck with family. You should have no problem. Worked for me. Fathered my daughter after some heavy cycling.

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taper of a marathon cycle for sure. I would use some hcg to help get the boys up and runing. Nolva on hand for pc gyno would be a good start. I would run a long taper for @ least a 1 month maybe 2.

bis

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I see. If you do 6-8/on 6/8off with var at this point you won’t be totally recovering on those off weeks, but if you are doing well with your training with the current way you’re doing it I don’t know if you should totally come off right now. I don’t think you’re in danger of having problems getting things back to normal when you do come off period. It’s your call.

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Good thread for those times when your next cycle somehow becomes directly attached to your current cycle.