I love me some ice cream, but I have found an AMAZING alternative…it’s called Coconut Bliss and is made by founder Luna and Larry in Oregon. It has no dairy, made with coconut milk, and has incredible flavors. Trust me when I say I was a Ben & Jerry’s whore, but this stuff has converted me:)
BTW - Rice Dream and Pure Indulgence (?) also great alternatives
[quote]nlmain wrote:
[quote]nlmain wrote:
pch2 you speak my language:
I did the hip bump
sweep, scissor sweep, and a sweep
from butterfly guard.
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Nobody noticed I wrote a haiku with pch’s sentence? And I felt so witty too. Maudit. Wrong forum I guess.[/quote]
I noticed! It’s adorable, I’m just late to reply.
Just had some coconut sorbet. It’s creamy-good.
I love me some dairy, but I could trade coconut sorbet for ice cream.
[quote]pch2 wrote:
[quote]nlmain wrote:
[quote]nlmain wrote:
pch2 you speak my language:
I did the hip bump
sweep, scissor sweep, and a sweep
from butterfly guard.
[/quote]
Nobody noticed I wrote a haiku with pch’s sentence? And I felt so witty too. Maudit. Wrong forum I guess.[/quote]
I noticed! It’s adorable, I’m just late to reply.[/quote]
Thanks Pch - I just thought the name of the moves were beautiful and the rythme was perfect for a little poetry.
cheers
N
[quote]shaunar25 wrote:
[quote]kimbakimba wrote:
[quote]pch2 wrote:
Lots of coffee with lots of milk (I’m ambivalent on my view of dairy, any one have any strong opinions?)[/quote]
I love dairy…especially cheese, and it loves me. That’s not true for everyone.
I like your attitude. You didn’t lose that match at all if you take from that experience what you need to progress.[/quote]
Hey pch2 - new to your log!
You want strong feelings about dairy, I got’em!
We are the only species on this planet to drink another species milk.
It has only been in the last few centuries that we started consuming dairy and until then our bodies were not able to digest it. Clearly out bodies can adapt to many things, but it is not always positive. Heroin addicts get extremely sick the first time they use, but their bodies starts to crave it and adapts to it so quickly they need more and more. A little extreme yes, but its true!
More than 1/3 of the human population is lactose intolerant.
Most Asian cultures do not consume dairy and they have the lowest rates of osteoporosis and disease overall.
Cows are given tons, literally tons in poundage, of hormones and anitbiotics to continue producing milk after they have given birth and are often kept pregnant year round until they die premature deaths from weakened bodies and immune systems. Also, their female calves immediately become dairy cows and their male calves are taken away to become veal within minutes after birth.
The mechanical techniques used to pump the milk from udders is so painful and taxing that they often get cuts, sores, and infections, and the puss and blood can be mixed with the milk. And trust me when I say the USDA and the FDA are not legitimate sources of food safety regulation.
Almond, rice, soy, and hemp milk are all great alternatives to milk. Almond milk usually has 1g fat, 3g carbs, and 2g pro per cup.
I would just advise that if you continue to drink milk, which is everyone’s personal choice, find out where your milk is coming from. Try to buy from local farms who treat their cows humanely and only milk them when they are actually pregnant naturally. And try going a few weeks to a month without milk and then reintroduce it to see what kind of effects it has on your body. Sometimes, especially with dairy and gluten, people have been consuming it for so long that when they take it away and then reintroduce it, they find it makes them sick and they have food allergies to it.
Sorry, didn’t mean to hijack! Just some useful information! 
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I’ve heard all of the animal rights arguments about dairy, and seen all of the documentaries. I actually just saw food inc, geesh everything is controlled by the man. Ok, so now my opportunity to sound like a complete ass. That hasn’t really ever been enough to turn me off of dairy, I’m already a vegetarian, and to cut dairy puts me as a vegan! That is such a pain in the ass.
I’ve never tried to completely cut it to see how it affects my body though, maybe I’ll just try. I’m not going to be super anal about it, but milk and cheese are obviously dairy. How long does it take to notice a difference when you cut something out of your diet? Is there a distinct amount of time? I like being able to know when it’s over if it’s miserable.
^ I’d say 2-3 weeks…
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Just had some coconut sorbet. It’s creamy-good.
I love me some dairy, but I could trade coconut sorbet for ice cream.[/quote]
I can’t actually remember the last time I had ice cream. I made some yogurt last night though. I friend had some sour milk, and I’ve been trying to make my own stuff as much as possible. It was Horizon Organic milk, is that a reputable company? It seems like it, but then Kellogg owns Morning Star, so you never know. It’s all the man.
Well, you don’t have to cut dairy out if you don’t want to. I think it is just really important that people know what they are really consuming, not even necessarily from an animal rights aspect, but from a nutritional aspect. Those are just some facts about dairy and I told them more to make the point that dairy isn’t this “Got milk? heartland mom loves me and gives me milk” food. Biologically it’s weird that we are so milk obsessed in a similar way to being so cardio obsessed. No other country consumes dairy the way we do. Like weight training, even though we see other countries and their success with strength or know for physiological fact that strength training is better for the physique, we continue plugging away on the treadmill. Food Inc did a great job of showing how we have been brain washed into eating what we do…and this idea of the “man” controlling everything holds true in every aspect of our culture. So basically, you don’t HAVE to cut out diary, although taking a slight break to find out what the physical reactions are would be good. Overall I just think it is smart to buy organic, local, and humane, which it sounds like you do already!
And veganism is a pain in the ass, especially when trying to get strong. I applaud the people who do it…have you ever been to veganbodybuilding.com? Interesting site.
My weekend’s been odd. I’ve been contemplating breaking up with the boy. I threw down some ultimatums, and actually sticking to them blows. So I let it affect food. My days are fine, it’s dinner time that gets me.
Friday:
Coffee, lots of milk.
Shake - two scoops MD, pineapple, 2tbsp Flax
4 hard boiled eggs.
Then we were supposed to go on a date, but he fell asleep so I left and hung out with my brother, resulting in - pizza and beer.
Saturday:
Coffee no milk since we’re out
Shake - two scoops MD, pineapple, 2tbsp flax
Omlettee - 1 whole egg, 2 whites, 2 oz cheese
Then on the way to the gym, the boy showed up, since he fucked up so badly the night before. He came with pizza and a six pack, so yeah.
Well, for a vegetarian, where are my vegetables? I’ve also gotta fix the boy food problem. You guys have actual families and can do it, I should be able to also. That’ll be a harder one to deal with though.
[quote]shaunar25 wrote:
Well, you don’t have to cut dairy out if you don’t want to. I think it is just really important that people know what they are really consuming, not even necessarily from an animal rights aspect, but from a nutritional aspect. Those are just some facts about dairy and I told them more to make the point that dairy isn’t this “Got milk? heartland mom loves me and gives me milk” food. Biologically it’s weird that we are so milk obsessed in a similar way to being so cardio obsessed. No other country consumes dairy the way we do. Like weight training, even though we see other countries and their success with strength or know for physiological fact that strength training is better for the physique, we continue plugging away on the treadmill. Food Inc did a great job of showing how we have been brain washed into eating what we do…and this idea of the “man” controlling everything holds true in every aspect of our culture. So basically, you don’t HAVE to cut out diary, although taking a slight break to find out what the physical reactions are would be good. Overall I just think it is smart to buy organic, local, and humane, which it sounds like you do already!
And veganism is a pain in the ass, especially when trying to get strong. I applaud the people who do it…have you ever been to veganbodybuilding.com? Interesting site.[/quote]
Oh, I didn’t mean to sound dismissive, or hostile about your post. It’s a valid point of view, I’ve just found that I need a more self centered reason to drop dairy. A break for a month though seems like a good experiment, so thanks for the suggestion.
Totally didn’t take it that way 
I’ll be interested to see what happens if you decide to try cutting it out!
MICHIGAN?!?!! FUCK YOUR GLASS, WOMAN!!
glad youre sticking to ultimatums. usually, they make me laugh, because people throw em out there and dismiss them. fix the food issues or imma come up there and shove a feeding tube up ur nose.
oh, and in case you were wondering, you have a post:view ratio on your log of 1:41. GO SHOWER.
[quote]shaunar25 wrote:
Totally didn’t take it that way I’ll be interested to see what happens if you decide to try cutting it out![/quote]
Well, it’s going to be a slow taper. I’ve got a lot of yogurt and things with random bits of dairy in the house that I’m not going to waste. So, after it’s all gone I’ll officially start the one month count.
[quote]CBear84 wrote:
MICHIGAN?!?!! FUCK YOUR GLASS, WOMAN!!
glad youre sticking to ultimatums. usually, they make me laugh, because people throw em out there and dismiss them. fix the food issues or imma come up there and shove a feeding tube up ur nose.
oh, and in case you were wondering, you have a post:view ratio on your log of 1:41. GO SHOWER. [/quote]
Yeah, that’s why I try not to put them out there. I didn’t know what else to do though, so if we’re together and he’s not bothering to pay attention to me, I leave. Words don’t seem to be making a difference, so we’ll see if actions do.
Ah food, my frienemy. A perfect opportunity for stuff I put in my mouth yesterday:
Shake: Instant coffee, 2 sc MD, 2 Tbsp Flax
4 Hardboiled eggs w/ hummus to replace the yolks
Soup: Cream of mushroom base w/ added cream, celery, and carrots
A red bull
Handful of Raisinets
Egg Salad w/ some Saltines
Not terrible, not great. The red bull and candy shouldn’t be there, but the alternative was taco bell. So, a baby step.
Oh and about the post view ratio, everyone stops to look at a train wreck.
i cut dairy out because i was at a standstill in weight loss and i AM amazed at the difference
i still drink an occasional glass of milk on cheat day but overall it has pushed me past my
stuck-at weight!!
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
I didn’t realize that you had a thyroid issue. Or that you were trying to lose weight. In one post, I think you mentioned 1,300 calories. That’s not very much . . .[/quote]
pch2 - you really are not eating enough, especially for the amount of strength and BJJ training you are doing. Nutrition is hugely significant in gaining strength. If weight loss is your goal, I would really recommend getting in a couple weeks at high calories, like at least 2,000+ kcals (what are your body stats?). When you get to a point when you are eating clean, have more energy (which you absolutely will), and feel stronger, then you can start to taper off the calories. Go then 2 weeks at 1800, 2 at 1600, etc., but there is no need to go to 1300 and honestly, it will only hurt you physiologically and negatively affect your weight loss goals.
We tend to do the same thing with diet that we do with cardio. Cardio is always our fall back when we feel fat, have eaten too much, or want to lose weight. Even though SCIENCE has proved strength training to be the most beneficial route to fat loss, it has be ingrained in our brains to run into the arms of cardio. Same thing with food. We think that eating less is the solution WHEN IT IS NOT. Eat more, stop eating crap candy and cookies, get some solid protein sources in at every meal, and I GUARANTEE things will change.
train wreck? wrap that shit up before i bitch slap the self deprecating comments off your lips.
oh sure, you do bjj, so you’re quick.
dont make me get the hose!
Thank you for saying that, Shaunar. I read various logs on here where people are talking about taking in 1,200-1,500 calories a day. Even for a sedentary person, that’s mighty low (it seems to me) and unsustainable for the long term. And yet, none of us is sedentary! Most of us put in serious workout sessions that require extra calories and protein.
I’ve always heard that when calories drop low, the body holds onto whatever it has in an effort to stave off what it perceives to be famine conditions. I try not to chime in too much on diet issues since I’ve been lucky enough to not have to worry about it and feel small and mean when I give advice. But EAT UP, women. You might be surprised at the results!
Well, since I am not a skinny girl I will say it!
pch2 - I hope what I said about diet was not taken as criticism. We are in the SAME boat. Eating clean and getting the right ratios of macros is the hardest thing I have to do everyday, literally. I love food and it is hard for me to avoid temptation…this is one of the things I have been learning and trying to work on over this journey. Now I have no idea what you look like or what struggles you have with diet, so I honestly speak for myself. But biologically our body is always in survival mode and wants to cling on to as much fat as possible. So often when people drop their cals over a long period of time and not, say, within a series of weeks where there is progression and only for a limited number of planned weeks, they end up “losing weight” but what they lose is lean muscle mass, not body fat, and when they start eating for real again, it all comes back. Skinny fat is such an accurate term for many women. Eating more will not only make you more powerful in the gym, but it will rev up your metabolism, help balance your hormone levels, and be for more effective in dropping BF. And after a period of time of CONSISTENT (consistency is THE MOST IMPORTANT factor to all of this) clean and balanced eating, you will start to get hungrier on higher kcals…and eating more is good!
[quote]shaunar25 wrote:
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
I didn’t realize that you had a thyroid issue. Or that you were trying to lose weight. In one post, I think you mentioned 1,300 calories. That’s not very much . . .[/quote]
pch2 - you really are not eating enough, especially for the amount of strength and BJJ training you are doing. Nutrition is hugely significant in gaining strength. If weight loss is your goal, I would really recommend getting in a couple weeks at high calories, like at least 2,000+ kcals (what are your body stats?). When you get to a point when you are eating clean, have more energy (which you absolutely will), and feel stronger, then you can start to taper off the calories. Go then 2 weeks at 1800, 2 at 1600, etc., but there is no need to go to 1300 and honestly, it will only hurt you physiologically and negatively affect your weight loss goals.
We tend to do the same thing with diet that we do with cardio. Cardio is always our fall back when we feel fat, have eaten too much, or want to lose weight. Even though SCIENCE has proved strength training to be the most beneficial route to fat loss, it has be ingrained in our brains to run into the arms of cardio. Same thing with food. We think that eating less is the solution WHEN IT IS NOT. Eat more, stop eating crap candy and cookies, get some solid protein sources in at every meal, and I GUARANTEE things will change.[/quote]
I really do tend to normally eat more. Since I know I have to log it, rather than eat something completely shitty, I just don’t. I need to start toting around meals. I haven’t had a day to plan meals yet, but am going to the store tonite and will cook tomorrow.
I got the 1300 by going through the quick and dirty goal weight x 10 for caloric intake. I redid the math using Thibs Carb Cycle Codex formula.
BMR: 1544.3
Activity: 1853.2
More Activity: 2162
I’m not going to worry about calories for a bit though, I’m just going to make good choices then worry about amounts. It’s really hard to go over calories if I’m really clean anyway. The only thing to watch is cheese and nuts, fats add a lot of calories. Though the last week has made it seem like it, undereating is not my main problem. Quality is.
