But of course, if he were half as good as he THINKS he is, he could take a peewee football team to the superbowl. Or perhaps with Sascha Cohen as quarterback and the rest of the female ice skaters as O Line.[/quote]
You’re right…his ego is a little over the top [sarcasm]. I think it has a lot more to do with the media than anything else. If announcers like Joe Buck would shut the fuck up, guys like TO wouldn’t have the motivation to be so “controversial”. Yes, TO’s a jackass…and the media only adds fuel to the fire.
Oh, and the people that constantly berate him from being “confident”…that adds to his problems as well.
Too bad MN hired Brad Childress. I’d love to see TO in a Vikings uniform but with their history, that’ll never happen.
[quote]nater77 wrote:
Hell, if no one else wants him maybe the Vikings will pick him up. He may be a jackass but he’s the best receiver in the league (and he doesn’t take plays off like some other receiver I won’t name…cough…Moss).
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It doesn’t matter that he’s the best. His destructive and distractive behaviour outweighs his talent by an order of magnitude.
Moss isn’t too far down the self-centered crybaby list himself. So you want to trade up the Full Douchebag position on your team? I guess last season wasn’t dissappointing enough for you…
Moss isn’t too far down the self-centered crybaby list himself. So you want to trade up the Full Douchebag position on your team? I guess last season wasn’t dissappointing enough for you…
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Yep…Moss isn’t any better. I was pretty pissed the Vikes traded him for some no-name linebacker that finished with 8 tackles on the season. On the other hand, why pay Moss the big bucks when he only trys 14% of the time?
Bottom line: TO is an all-around better receiver than Moss. He blocks, runs his routes even if the QB doesn’t throw the ball his way and basically forces the defense to adjust to him being on the field. I guess my money’s on TO going to Dallas and Moss going to the 7-11 for some late-night munchies and a slurpee.
As far as last season, don’t even get me started on Culpepper. Does anyone else know a 6’5" 280lb dude with hands the size of an 8-year old boy? Me neither…
[quote]Kuz wrote:
But here’s the thing: the Cowboys are not that far off from being a true Super Bowl contending team and if that takes signing someone like T.O., then that’s just what’s going to happen. I don’t see it as Jerry’s greed for signing someone like T.O., but whether or not he can be a difference maker.[/quote]
If TO couldn’t get along with McNabb, I can’t wait to see what happens with TO and Bledsoe.
Even Meshawn had issues with Drew last season.
If the Boys don’t upgrade their line, then TO is going to be ranting and raving about Drew.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
doogie wrote:
As a Cowboys fan, this is a scary time.
Scary, scary, scary.
I can’t stand the Cowboys…but I might actually cheer for them a few times this year if they picked up TO…if he scores he can always sprint to midfield and spike it on the star.[/quote]
i think the cowboys should have george teauge on stand-by just incase he does get the itch to run to the star,even if he is on the cowboys,… damn it im getting pissed just thinking about it, wussaaa… ok , if he does do it george should sprint up and knock the shit out of him again.
I have to call bullshit on this assessment. A team with integrity? A team that underpays players relative to the rest of the league while raking in millions. This is a business boys and girls, and to side with the owners is akin to siding with “the man.” While TO may be a hard guy to cheer for with all his antics and business decisions, he is the one fighting the status quo and looking to get a piece of the pie rather than bowing down to the old men who run the show and profit on his efforts.
But of course, if he were half as good as he THINKS he is, he could take a peewee football team to the superbowl. Or perhaps with Sascha Cohen as quarterback and the rest of the female ice skaters as O Line.
You’re right…his ego is a little over the top [sarcasm]. I think it has a lot more to do with the media than anything else. If announcers like Joe Buck would shut the fuck up, guys like TO wouldn’t have the motivation to be so “controversial”. Yes, TO’s a jackass…and the media only adds fuel to the fire.
Oh, and the people that constantly berate him from being “confident”…that adds to his problems as well.
Too bad MN hired Brad Childress. I’d love to see TO in a Vikings uniform but with their history, that’ll never happen.[/quote]
Of course: TO is a victim. Stories can be slanted and people can egg other people on. But they can’t purt words in their mouths. TO’s been on the Phila. news a lot. A lot of it probably didn’t make natural coverage. Some of the things that have come out of that man’s mouth defy belief. I’d love to see TO in a Viking uniform as well (no saracasm). If it could ever happen, I think you would change your tune before too long.
I’m not bitter-I think we made the right choice at the time; it unfortunatley just didn’t turn out well. But everything with Phila. has shown TO’s colors even more. Whether in football or in life, chances are that the problem is you and not anyone else when you’ve had the kind of persistent issues with people that TO has.
masterblaster wrote:
Some “newer” Cowboys fans may get into the hype if TO joins the Cowboys but true long-time Cowboys fans would never accept this arrangement…if Jerry Jones does bend over to accept TO’s shafting of the team, then I think I will cheer for the Eagles for having the balls to call this idiot on the carpet for his egocentric antics and whinings and basically kicking his ass off their team.
This action alone has caused me to gain respect for the Eagles organization…there are still teams out there with intergrity and I hope the Cowboys are one of those teams and not your average NFL whore team.
MB
I have to call bullshit on this assessment. A team with integrity? A team that underpays players relative to the rest of the league while raking in millions. This is a business boys and girls, and to side with the owners is akin to siding with “the man.” While TO may be a hard guy to cheer for with all his antics and business decisions, he is the one fighting the status quo and looking to get a piece of the pie rather than bowing down to the old men who run the show and profit on his efforts.[/quote]
Please. He had no ground to fight the status quo. He wanted to renegotiate after playing for a year. Admittedly a great year. But one damn year. What if he got injured? Or just sucked? You should not get to renegotiate a longterm contract after having one year’s worth of playing to show. Maybe managment should get to renegotiate a contract after an injury in the first season. Right? No-but why should there be a double standard.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
he is the one fighting the status quo and looking to get a piece of the pie rather than bowing down to the old men who run the show and profit on his efforts.[/quote]
Further, I think $49 milliion is quite a nice piece of the pie. This has aspect has nothing to do with TO personally. I think professional players are greedy beyond belief. When is it going to be enough? Nope-I need a few more million. One hockey player (I forget who) had the nerve to say the he was having trouble feeding his family on a $10 mil salary. What the hell are they eating? Cars? Vacation homes? It’s hardly a matter of the poor little downtrodden players against the big bad NFL or NHL. Still, I think renegotion would be legitimate after 3 years of solid play or someting. It is a business and if they’ve proven themselves worth more, however ridiulous salaries are, they may be entitled to it. Not after 1 year.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
slimjim wrote:
he is the one fighting the status quo and looking to get a piece of the pie rather than bowing down to the old men who run the show and profit on his efforts.
Further, I think $49 milliion is quite a nice piece of the pie. This has aspect has nothing to do with TO personally. I think professional players are greedy beyond belief. When is it going to be enough? Nope-I need a few more million. One hockey player (I forget who) had the nerve to say the he was having trouble feeding his family on a $10 mil salary. What the hell are they eating? Cars? Vacation homes? It’s hardly a matter of the poor little downtrodden players against the big bad NFL or NHL. Still, I think renegotion would be legitimate after 3 years of solid play or someting. It is a business and if they’ve proven themselves worth more, however ridiulous salaries are, they may be entitled to it. Not after 1 year.[/quote]
One good year in which he risked permanent injury by playing in a Super Bowl and trying to help them win.
And the business[NFL] obviously isn’t making tons of money. If you can’t see that the owners are profiting twenty times more than the highest player(with the possible exception being the NHL,) and are the reason the consumer has to pay ridiculous amounts to watch a game, then I can’t spell it out for you.
That collective bargaining agrement looks like it gives players a lot of opportunity to be dicks. It seems like more and more players are moving that direction anyway, so I am somewhat wary. I want another Rod Smith, not to. I think the Broncos and to stuff came about because Shanahan takes so many gambles with problem players. We need a reciever but not to.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
slimjim wrote:
he is the one fighting the status quo and looking to get a piece of the pie rather than bowing down to the old men who run the show and profit on his efforts.
Further, I think $49 milliion is quite a nice piece of the pie. This has aspect has nothing to do with TO personally. I think professional players are greedy beyond belief. When is it going to be enough? Nope-I need a few more million. One hockey player (I forget who) had the nerve to say the he was having trouble feeding his family on a $10 mil salary. What the hell are they eating? Cars? Vacation homes? It’s hardly a matter of the poor little downtrodden players against the big bad NFL or NHL. Still, I think renegotion would be legitimate after 3 years of solid play or someting. It is a business and if they’ve proven themselves worth more, however ridiulous salaries are, they may be entitled to it. Not after 1 year.
One good year in which he risked permanent injury by playing in a Super Bowl and trying to help them win.
And the business[NFL] obviously isn’t making tons of money. If you can’t see that the owners are profiting twenty times more than the highest player(with the possible exception being the NHL,) and are the reason the consumer has to pay ridiculous amounts to watch a game, then I can’t spell it out for you.[/quote]
I concede that end is equally if not moreso ridiculous. I would definitely say moreso. But if you can’t see the problem with a player who has a $49 mil contract and wants more after one damn year, then I can’t spell it out for you. Every player risks permanent injury EVERY season. I do not agree with contract renegiotions after one season for any player no matter how good and no matter how much they bring to the team. In T.O.'s particular case he had a lousy agent. And he suffered the consequences. Shit happens.
I concede that end is equally if not moreso ridiculous. I would definitely say moreso. But if you can’t see the problem with a player who has a $49 mil contract and wants more after one damn year, then I can’t spell it out for you. Every player risks permanent injury EVERY season. I do not agree with contract renegiotions after one season for any player no matter how good and no matter how much they bring to the team. In T.O.'s particular case he had a lousy agent. And he suffered the consequences. Shit happens. [/quote]
What about the fact that the teams can cut a player after one season if he doesn’t perform, gets injured, goes on a trip to Australia, the NFL has to have the weakest players union of any of the professional sports. Just because he has a huge contract[relative to us,] doesn’t mean he isn’t underpaid[relative to his peers in the league.]
I concede that end is equally if not moreso ridiculous. I would definitely say moreso. But if you can’t see the problem with a player who has a $49 mil contract and wants more after one damn year, then I can’t spell it out for you. Every player risks permanent injury EVERY season. I do not agree with contract renegiotions after one season for any player no matter how good and no matter how much they bring to the team. In T.O.'s particular case he had a lousy agent. And he suffered the consequences. Shit happens.
What about the fact that the teams can cut a player after one season if he doesn’t perform, gets injured, goes on a trip to Australia, the NFL has to have the weakest players union of any of the professional sports. Just because he has a huge contract[relative to us,] doesn’t mean he isn’t underpaid[relative to his peers in the league.] [/quote]
I don’t agree with a player being able to cut just because he gets injured in the first season of his contract either. I agree that a player may be underpaid relative to his peer in the league, but that is usually due to bad bargaining and bad agents. Like TO’s agent before Drew Rosenhaus.
Are we to let every ahtlete who makes a bad bargain renegotiate after a very short time period once they wise up? I don’t have all the answers. I’m just pointing out that the athletes are not blameless in my opinion. They are ridiculous like the owners, just not to the same degree. They’re making a few million less than a comparable player. Boo hoo.
As a Chiefs fan, I would not want him on my team because we’re so close to taking that next step in the playoffs, and his off-field antics are so detrimental to team moral. On the other hand, the guy is hands down the best WR in the league (I would insert Moss here, but he doesn’t go over the middle of the field). At any rate, I would be just as happy if Denver did NOT get him, as that would surly mean watching the cheifs secondary get burned ever more than ever :S
