Jim:
Jones and the Redskins owner sure don’t mind dishing out the dough…
But have you heard anything about whether Jones would a) have a contract that was HEAVILY incentive driven (and b) full of a lot of stipulations and clauses?
I just can’t imagine anyone signing T.O. for big money and/or long term without setting certain parameters on the guy.
I like him in many ways…but he really can divide and “destroy” a team.
Mufasa
[quote]waltny wrote:
doogie wrote:
As a Cowboys fan, this is a scary time.
Scary, scary, scary.
With Bill Parcells as the head coach with plenty of personel power I dont believe that Bill will put up with TO’s bullshit. The first time he screws up, I think he would give him the boot. He might even threaten a him or me situation.
[/quote]
RIGHT!!
I just don’t see how Parcells and TO will mix in the same container…kind of like oil and water.
TO is a big self indulgent, egocentric, cry-baby, loud mouthed, me, me, me guy and no where near a team player. It has to be all about him.
As a Cowboys fan, I hope he goes to hell before he comes to the Cowboys; any true blue Cowboys fan will never, NEVER, forget or forgive that idiot TO asshole for spiking the ball on the midfield Star at Texas Stadium…that was absolute premeditated disrespect…screw him…I hope he tears a knee ligament or anything worse would also be a good thing for the entire sport of Pro Football.
And if Jerry Jones has the greed to allow that self-centered bastard TO to wear a Cowboys jersey then I will have to reconsider whether or not I will continue as a Cowboys fan while TO is there. The ring of honor will have been further disrespected by Jerry Jones himself. Tom Landry must be turning over in his grave.
Just MHO.
MasterBlaster
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Jim:
Jones and the Redskins owner sure don’t mind dishing out the dough…
But have you heard anything about whether Jones would a) have a contract that was HEAVILY incentive driven (and b) full of a lot of stipulations and clauses?
I just can’t imagine anyone signing T.O. for big money and/or long term without setting certain parameters on the guy.
I like him in many ways…but he really can divide and “destroy” a team.
Mufasa[/quote]
I can see someone signing him with an incentive ladened contract. I don’t (or hope) that nobody’s dumb enought to give him a lot of money up-front.
With that said, I could see him on the Cowboys for at least 1 season. It’s too bad that he’s such a cancer to teams because he is just loaded with talent. Imagine if he just shut the hell up and played with a good qb like Manning or Carson Palmer.
Oh well, I guess him and his piece of shit agent Drew Rosenhaus get what they deserve.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Jim:
Jones and the Redskins owner sure don’t mind dishing out the dough…
But have you heard anything about whether Jones would a) have a contract that was HEAVILY incentive driven (and b) full of a lot of stipulations and clauses?
I just can’t imagine anyone signing T.O. for big money and/or long term without setting certain parameters on the guy.
I like him in many ways…but he really can divide and “destroy” a team.
Mufasa[/quote]
I believe that Chris Mortensen was on ESPN Radio yesterday and said that TO is still expecting a fat payday and that it is looking like Jerry Jones might give it to him.
If Jones does this, that might be a big difference between the relationship he has with Parcells and Snyder has with Gibbs.
Remember, Snyder grew up a Redskins fan and idolized Gibbs. What’s he’s been doing the past 2+ years has been giving Gibbs a blank check to do whatever he wants. Whether that’s adding players or building up the coaching staff.
Snyder has pretty much gotten out of the way from most of the football decisions and just focused on increasing revenues so he can afford all the players and coaches that Gibbs has asked for.
Jones still has a big role when it comes to the football decisions in Dallas. And it wouldn’t be shocking at all if Jones goes crazy with TO.
I could certainly see why another team would fall in love with TO’s talent and roll the dice like Philly did.
[quote]masterblaster wrote:
waltny wrote:
doogie wrote:
As a Cowboys fan, this is a scary time.
Scary, scary, scary.
With Bill Parcells as the head coach with plenty of personel power I dont believe that Bill will put up with TO’s bullshit. The first time he screws up, I think he would give him the boot. He might even threaten a him or me situation.
RIGHT!!
I just don’t see how Parcells and TO will mix in the same container…kind of like oil and water.
TO is a big self indulgent, egocentric, cry-baby, loud mouthed, me, me, me guy and no where near a team player. It has to be all about him.
As a Cowboys fan, I hope he goes to hell before he comes to the Cowboys; any true blue Cowboys fan will never, NEVER, forget or forgive that idiot TO asshole for spiking the ball on the midfield Star at Texas Stadium…that was absolute premeditated disrespect…screw him…I hope he tears a knee ligament or anything worse would also be a good thing for the entire sport of Pro Football.
And if Jerry Jones has the greed to allow that self-centered bastard TO to wear a Cowboys jersey then I will have to reconsider whether or not I will continue as a Cowboys fan while TO is there. The ring of honor will have been further disrespected by Jerry Jones himself. Tom Landry must be turning over in his grave.
Just MHO.
MasterBlaster
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But here’s the thing: the Cowboys are not that far off from being a true Super Bowl contending team and if that takes signing someone like T.O., then that’s just what’s going to happen. I don’t see it as Jerry’s greed for signing someone like T.O., but whether or not he can be a difference maker.
Hell, if no one else wants him maybe the Vikings will pick him up. He may be a jackass but he’s the best receiver in the league (and he doesn’t take plays off like some other receiver I won’t name…cough…Moss).
I guess I don’t understand why people get so worked up when talking about TO. The NFL is all about money and entertainment and winning. This isn’t little league where the saying “it’s not whether you win or lose, it’s how you play the game” is even an issue. Every team’s goal is to win the Super Bowl and I think TO will have an instantaneous impact on whatever team decides to pull the trigger. (note to Zigi - If you’re reading this,you have the bucks, quit F’g around and pick him up).
The Eagles were 17-5 when TO played…and only 4-9 without him. Coincidence…I doubt it. He trains hard and he plays hard…period!
I know most people don’t agree with me but TO entertains the hell out of me…especially when he’s pulling a Sharpie out of his sock and signing footballs. That was the best touchdown celebration I’ve ever seen…ever!
I would rather have Steve Smith than TO.
I think TO is near the top but I don’t think he is the best.
Eagles went to 3 straight NFC championships without TO on the roster and won their fourth with him injured.
Don’t credit him with their great run. He was just frosting on the cake.
I’m interested in the next TO interview, has he been humbled? That’s what I want to know. And where is Rosenhouse lately? I wonder who his clientele includes. Talk about ruining a guys career with no regard to his future.
Next time someone makes a bad call in your work place just say “Awwwwww, Ed just pulled a major Rosenhouse…”
or
“Johnny totally Rosenhoused his whole team on that last negotiation!”
Next Question.
B.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
But here’s the thing: the Cowboys are not that far off from being a true Super Bowl contending team and if that takes signing someone like T.O., then that’s just what’s going to happen. I don’t see it as Jerry’s greed for signing someone like T.O., but whether or not he can be a difference maker.[/quote]
I believe any team can do without him. TO does make a difference, a negative difference…the Eagles were winning with him on their team and after they cleansed themselves of him they started to lose games, true, but when the Eagles were winning with TO, man that was one hell of an unhappy bunch. Is that really a good trade-off, even if they reach the Super Bowl?
All that TO bullshit eventually will take its toll on any team; teams are made up of human beings and soon TO’s shit gets old, real old.
Again, and I speak for myself but like to think that other true Cowboys fans feel the same, I hope TO stays the heck away from the Cowboys.
Some “newer” Cowboys fans may get into the hype if TO joins the Cowboys but true long-time Cowboys fans would never accept this arrangement…if Jerry Jones does bend over to accept TO’s shafting of the team, then I think I will cheer for the Eagles for having the balls to call this idiot on the carpet for his egocentric antics and whinings and basically kicking his ass off their team.
This action alone has caused me to gain respect for the Eagles organization…there are still teams out there with intergrity and I hope the Cowboys are one of those teams and not your average NFL whore team.
MB
[quote]masterblaster wrote:
Some “newer” Cowboys fans may get into the hype if TO joins the Cowboys but true long-time Cowboys fans would never accept this arrangement…if Jerry Jones does bend over to accept TO’s shafting of the team, then I think I will cheer for the Eagles for having the balls to call this idiot on the carpet for his egocentric antics and whinings and basically kicking his ass off their team.
This action alone has caused me to gain respect for the Eagles organization…there are still teams out there with intergrity and I hope the Cowboys are one of those teams and not your average NFL whore team.
MB[/quote]
Well, I’ve been a Cowboys fan my entire life and even though I was one of those people who jumped for joy when George Teague lit up T.O. for his 2nd celebration on the Dallas star… I would still be fine with taking a chance on T.O. I love “America’s Team”, but it’s not as if we have never had players of his ilk in Big D before. Maybe not someone exactly like T.O., but seriously… we are a magnet for flashy big mouth players.
NFL teams are there to win Super Bowls and if you are as close as Dallas is and can snap up a talent like T.O., you do it and try to figure out how to deal with the baggage that comes along with him. Maybe Parcells can be the difference maker. Heck, Keyshawn was considered a loudmouth, arrogant punk with every coach he was ever with… except Parcells. So, you never know. I’m just not personally bothered by this one.
On a related note, at the Dallas Cowboys official Web site, there is a poll up as to what the Cowboys should do about the WR situation. So far, 59,551 votes in and it breaks out like this:
Re-sign Keyshawn Johnson - 17%
Sign Terrell Owens - 63%
Draft or sign another player - 14%
Promote Patrick Crayton - 5%
[quote]Kuz wrote:
NFL teams are there to win Super Bowls and if you are as close as Dallas is and can snap up a talent like T.O., you do it and try to figure out how to deal with the baggage that comes along with him. [/quote]
[quote]Kuz wrote:
NFL teams are there to win Super Bowls and if you are as close as Dallas is and can snap up a talent like T.O., you do it and try to figure out how to deal with the baggage that comes along with him. Maybe Parcells can be the difference maker. Heck, Keyshawn was considered a loudmouth, arrogant punk with every coach he was ever with… except Parcells. So, you never know. I’m just not personally bothered by this one.[/quote]
Well KUZ, can’t argue with your points and they are well taken. Perhaps Parcells can control TO just as he seemed to have controlled Keyshawn. If TO does end up in Dallas, then I hope Parcells is willing to stick around and hopefully maintain the team’s focus on winning the big one and that would mean that TO would have to place himself second to the team…we’ll see. GO COWBOYS!!
MB
[quote]doogie wrote:
Kuz wrote:
NFL teams are there to win Super Bowls and if you are as close as Dallas is and can snap up a talent like T.O., you do it and try to figure out how to deal with the baggage that comes along with him.
[/quote]
True and good point, but that still does not mean he is not a significant difference-maker. Hell, the guy came back to play great in the Super Bowl despite one hell of an injury.
That team had a lot of problems besides T.O. He alone did not mess up that team (although he certainly was a big contribution).
[quote]Neuro Muscular wrote:
novagreg wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Adios, T.O. Amen
Right on man, my sentiments exactly.
Ditto.
What a waste of talent though huh?
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Absolutely. Can’t wait to see the next team he ruins.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
doogie wrote:
Kuz wrote:
NFL teams are there to win Super Bowls and if you are as close as Dallas is and can snap up a talent like T.O., you do it and try to figure out how to deal with the baggage that comes along with him.
TO has never won a Super Bowl
He destroyed a team that had been on the brink of the Super Bowl for years. Philly won’t be back in contention for a few years.
True and good point, but that still does not mean he is not a significant difference-maker. Hell, the guy came back to play great in the Super Bowl despite one hell of an injury.
That team had a lot of problems besides T.O. He alone did not mess up that team (although he certainly was a big contribution).[/quote]
If he had the same athleticism and some else’s brain, he could’ve helped take us to another Superbowl
[quote]nater77 wrote:
Hell, if no one else wants him maybe the Vikings will pick him up. He may be a jackass but he’s the best receiver in the league (and he doesn’t take plays off like some other receiver I won’t name…cough…Moss).
I guess I don’t understand why people get so worked up when talking about TO. The NFL is all about money and entertainment and winning. This isn’t little league where the saying “it’s not whether you win or lose, it’s how you play the game” is even an issue. Every team’s goal is to win the Super Bowl and I think TO will have an instantaneous impact on whatever team decides to pull the trigger. (note to Zigi - If you’re reading this,you have the bucks, quit F’g around and pick him up).
The Eagles were 17-5 when TO played…and only 4-9 without him. Coincidence…I doubt it. He trains hard and he plays hard…period!
[/quote]
Not coincidence at all. He was a huge asset. Of course you are clearly looking all the injuries and other factors irrespective of TO that factor into that number. He does play hard. But of course, if he were half as good as he THINKS he is, he could take a peewee football team to the superbowl. Or perhaps with Sascha Cohen as quarterback and the rest of the female ice skaters as O Line.
Reasons NOT to sign TO.
New conditions of the Collect Bargaining Agreement this year:
? Teams can’t get back signing-bonus money if a player voluntarily retires; that has to be negotiated into a player’s contract. In the past, teams could ask a player to pay back the proration of the remaining part of his contract if he retires in the early stages or in the middle of the contract .
? A player can lose only 25 percent of his signing bonus that year if he acts in a way that “undermines his ability to fully participate in an exhibition game or a regular season game.” A second occurrence could cost him the remaining 75 percent, but how many players get two Terrell Owens-like suspensions?
? Teams can’t do a Ricky Williams and go back and collect signing bonuses, performance bonuses or escalators earned in past years. Williams quit the Dolphins to live a temporary life of smoking dope and healing holistically. The Dolphins gave him an $8.4 million bill because of the forfeiture language in his contract. Not anymore.
? If a player retires and skips a good portion of the season against a team’s wishes, the team must take him back under his existing contract and can’t force him to give back any of the signing bonus. If the team wants to fight him for portions of the signing bonus, it has to release him and give him a chance to find another team.
? A player can’t be ordered to lose signing-bonus money if he fails to participate in voluntary offseason workouts. Players can’t lose portions of their signing bonuses if they make adverse public statements. That’s right: The NFLPA won back the conduct rule the Cincinnati Bengals tried to implement when Corey Dillon and Carl Pickens blasted the team. The Bengals had written contracts that forced players to pay back their signing bonuses if they blasted the team.
? The new CBA prohibits teams from inserting forfeiture clauses for violations of the NFL drug and steroids policy. A player loses game checks if he is suspended by the league, but the league can’t get back more money than the pay for the games he misses.
man i can feel it T.O will be one of boys in days! HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!
[quote]Nasty Nate wrote:
man i can feel it T.O will be one of boys in days! HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS![/quote]
49er fan?