[quote]nephorm wrote:
I wish we could go back to having a “Dog Pound” area, in which only vetted members could post. Maybe that would allow things to remain more focused.[/quote]
Would you guys like that?
I can’t promise I can bring it back, but I won’t even try unless a number of you want it.
[quote]TC wrote:
nephorm wrote:
I wish we could go back to having a “Dog Pound” area, in which only vetted members could post. Maybe that would allow things to remain more focused.
Would you guys like that?
I can’t promise I can bring it back, but I won’t even try unless a number of you want it.
[/quote]
YES!!!
Was that enough exclamation marks?
!!!
There, that should do it.
[quote]TC wrote:
I didn’t run articles about competitions or even bodybuilders (only on rare occasion) even when I ran MM2K.
This has always been my philosophy.
I never wanted to be the People Magazine of bodybuilding.
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I get that, but I don’t see the problem with an occasional article. I know you can’t please everyone, but it almost seems like the site doesn’t even acknowledge bodybuilding – that there are people out there that want to be huge. That there are people out there that compete regularly. That there are people out there that want to excel and stand out in a crowd.
[quote]christine wrote:
Padilla7921 wrote:
What really bothers me is that there’s an influx of “newbies” that have bombarded the site and have made a mess of things. They seem to neglect the articles on this site and go straight to the forums for help (not necessarily a HORRIBLE thing), but most, if not all, of their questions can be answered by a simple 5-10 minute reading session.
I find that many of the newbies have done nothing but read articles and then think that they know everything. They offer advice with after only a few months of lifting consistently. Some are arrogant enough to think their opinions are fact.
Bunch of sophomoric pussies.
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I agree with this. I get tired of questions being answered links to articles. Not that the articles don’t answer the question. It’s just that when I ask a question in the forums, I hope it becomes a decent discussion and the topic is hit from all angles from people with real life experience.
[quote]christine wrote:
I find that many of the newbies have done nothing but read articles and then think that they know everything. They offer advice with after only a few months of lifting consistently. Some are arrogant enough to think their opinions are fact.
Bunch of sophomoric pussies.
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Ah yes, this is the other end of the spectrum. It seems that most people align themselves with either extreme. Either way, they’re idiots. They either ask stupid questions or they give stupid advice. There was a thread about two or so weeks ago that ended up being a discussion/debate about theory and experience. Too many people focus too much on theory and not enough on experience. My stance on this is do what works, and find out how/why it works. If something’s not working, find something that will work and how/why, and do it. Repeat as necessary.
Some people just don’t get it.
[quote]Otep wrote:
T-Nation also promised to deal squarely with steroids. When was the last article on steroids published? Cy Willson’s last article was in 2006.
It used to be bodybuilders looked healthy. Then drugs got out and everyone wants to look athletic and be able to fight. So that’s what people’s goals are. T-Nation’s trying to get more into the swing of things MM2k started by going with the ‘more athletic’ bodybuilding, but it’s started to wane.
‘Bodybuilding’ isn’t cool. When people think of ‘Bodybuilding’ they think of steroids, single digit HDL numbers, and a ton of useless sarcoplasm. Granted, that’s only what it is at the top level… but it’s what people see most often.
So how do you make money in a business that’s no longer en vogue? You sponsor GSP, the spike racing team, Gina Allotti and Jelena Abbou (who are models in addition to fitness competitors). You get your product in markets that are much bigger, and ‘strength and sports’ performance and enhancement are bigger than bodybuilding.
I’m assuming, don’t ask me to back that up.
I like Biotest. I have no problem with them making money, or getting closer to the mainstream, bringing in more newbies and in the process running off some veterans.
That said, I LIKE the veterans- DH was the man, Coach Colucci knows his stuff, and I often wonder what happened to Vegita (oh the epic threads…).
So… Plus ca change.[/quote]
All valid points but if the vets all leave doesn’t the quality and some of the experience go too, what are “we” left with?
[quote]Padilla7921 wrote:
christine wrote:
I find that many of the newbies have done nothing but read articles and then think that they know everything. They offer advice with after only a few months of lifting consistently. Some are arrogant enough to think their opinions are fact.
Bunch of sophomoric pussies.
Ah yes, this is the other end of the spectrum. It seems that most people align themselves with either extreme. Either way, they’re idiots. They either ask stupid questions or they give stupid advice. There was a thread about two or so weeks ago that ended up being a discussion/debate about theory and experience. Too many people focus too much on theory and not enough on experience. My stance on this is do what works, and find out how/why it works. If something’s not working, find something that will work and how/why, and do it. Repeat as necessary.
Some people just don’t get it.[/quote]
Quite right.
Paralysis by analysis seems to be the order of the day.
[quote]TC wrote:
Would you guys like that?
I can’t promise I can bring it back, but I won’t even try unless a number of you want it.
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I think I speak for a great deal of the more serious minded guys around here in saying thats a great idea.
I suggested in another thread that there should be a “Building a better body” forum for the people who are concerned about ankle stability, going from 150 to 160, and getting a six pack for spring break and a more hardcore forum where serious and advanced discussions could take place. Perhaps the moderators could make sure that dumb threads and questions arent getting posted in the “Dog Pound” forum by simply moving those threads to the “building a better body” forum. The strength sports forum is pretty free of the asshattery that seems to go on on a regular basis, I think creating a place like that for bodybuilders would be excellent.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
christine wrote:
Padilla7921 wrote:
What really bothers me is that there’s an influx of “newbies” that have bombarded the site and have made a mess of things. They seem to neglect the articles on this site and go straight to the forums for help (not necessarily a HORRIBLE thing), but most, if not all, of their questions can be answered by a simple 5-10 minute reading session.
I find that many of the newbies have done nothing but read articles and then think that they know everything. They offer advice with after only a few months of lifting consistently. Some are arrogant enough to think their opinions are fact.
Bunch of sophomoric pussies.
I agree with this. I get tired of questions being answered links to articles. Not that the articles don’t answer the question. It’s just that when I ask a question in the forums, I hope it becomes a decent discussion and the topic is hit from all angles from people with real life experience.[/quote]
That is why I really like this site, I never ever participated in a forum before T-Nation. I’ve learned a lot from just reading peoples responses, it’s like being in school, and so many answers offer example and other sources backing up statements other than a link to a previous article.
[quote]Qaash wrote:
All valid points but if the vets all leave doesn’t the quality and some of the experience go too, what are “we” left with?[/quote]
Exactly. It’s like having a sports team with a bunch of rookies. They may be quality athletes or players, but if there’s no veteran leadership and experience, what’s the point? There needs to be balance, for everyone’s sake.
[quote]TC wrote:
nephorm wrote:
I wish we could go back to having a “Dog Pound” area, in which only vetted members could post. Maybe that would allow things to remain more focused.
Would you guys like that?
I can’t promise I can bring it back, but I won’t even try unless a number of you want it.
[/quote]
TC, I’m glad you popped in on this. Another member, Tiribulas, has a thread suggesting a simple renaming of the forums so that there is no room to debate what its about. Such as “Getting Huge” = Bodybuilding forum and have a general fitness or even a sports performance forum. At least it may help steer newbies in the right direction.
[quote]TC wrote:
nephorm wrote:
I wish we could go back to having a “Dog Pound” area, in which only vetted members could post. Maybe that would allow things to remain more focused.
Would you guys like that?
I can’t promise I can bring it back, but I won’t even try unless a number of you want it.
[/quote]
I think that would be a great freakin’ idea.
[quote]TC wrote:
nephorm wrote:
I wish we could go back to having a “Dog Pound” area, in which only vetted members could post. Maybe that would allow things to remain more focused.
Would you guys like that?
I can’t promise I can bring it back, but I won’t even try unless a number of you want it.
[/quote]
I too would like this.
[quote]TC wrote:
But really, isn’t just about every article I run about bodybuilding in one way or another? I don’t care who it was written by, I’m almost always able to apply something I read in a contributor’s article to my own weight training, regardless of whether it had something to with traditional bodybuilding or not.
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The articles themselves are very informative, no one disputes that at all.
[quote]CrewPierce wrote:
TC wrote:
nephorm wrote:
I wish we could go back to having a “Dog Pound” area, in which only vetted members could post. Maybe that would allow things to remain more focused.
Would you guys like that?
I can’t promise I can bring it back, but I won’t even try unless a number of you want it.
I too would like this.[/quote]
fourthededed
even I don’t get to post there, it needs to be added
[quote]TC wrote:
nephorm wrote:
I wish we could go back to having a “Dog Pound” area, in which only vetted members could post. Maybe that would allow things to remain more focused.
Would you guys like that?
I can’t promise I can bring it back, but I won’t even try unless a number of you want it.
[/quote]
I would like that very much.
Out of curiosity, what was the “Dog Pound”?
[quote]Qaash wrote:
Out of curiosity, what was the “Dog Pound”?[/quote]
It was an exclusive sub-forum in which only certain members could post. There was no pre-moderation on posts. That isn’t such a big deal these days, since posts are no longer pre-moderated. However, it could work to solve this particular problem, if only members who had “proven themselves,” so to speak, would be allowed to post.
[quote]Qaash wrote:
Out of curiosity, what was the “Dog Pound”?[/quote]
Daz and Kurupt