[quote]MiJuggernaut wrote:
80lb difference between the two. I am interested in Entering a natty show next fall, not sure if I can pull it off. Anyone who has competed or gained a significant amount of muscle, what would you do differently?
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I wouldn’t spend from now until January working on “strength/power” and THEN “bulk up” when bulking up just means focusing on muscle gains above all else and you should be getting stronger and “gaining power” while doing so.
Woah… this thread went crazy?!
X - your probably right (as usual) about the information on the routines of people like myself with 15" arms being unhelpful to people bigger than us BUT the reason for the thread was purely from an interest perspective, im continually gaining aroudn a pound a week, my routine isnt going to change just because (insert name) is doing 5 days and not 6 like me. I was bored, and just interested in how others train?
Weve heard about you, C_C, Gerdy, Dath+, Stu etc. But for additional info why not have a look at other peoples ways, their routine, their diet and then evaluate it and take the information according to whether it is relevant to your way of training or whether some things we’re interestin, if they were… ask questions?
These threads are informational, for the purpose of gaining more information, whether its right or wrong is for the user to decide, not you. Ive taken ur info in ur threads on board and man, i may not look it but 3 yrs im coming back and you can bet I WILL be the one to come back with a ‘little’ bit… of muscle. And impress, dont you worry about that.
Anywho, enough of the rant, everybody just filter the information and keep whats left of this “informational” thread alive.
[quote]JAMESROSE666 wrote:
You insist on shitting on every thread/poster which doesn’t reach your standards, don’t you? Really giving anyone with muscular development a bad name.
This is a discussion board, if you feel this thread is pointless, don’t post. Really. Just don’t post, its not hard. For good measure, bump your fucking thread or create one for dathibluline so this doesn’t stay on top and annoy you all day long.[/quote]
Yes - and he’s going to continue to do so.
Your choices are to either follow him around to every thread, voicing your displeasure, or you can find somewhere else to post, because believe me, nothing you say will change anything as far as X’s attitude towards this board is concerned, so unless you like being frustrated 24 hours a day, I’d suggest you let it go…
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Go to the T-Cell to find threads done about how big people train. Look up Bauer’s thread or Dathibluline and leave everyone with 14" arms to keep posting about what “works”.
Speaking of which, I lost my bookmark to that thread in T-cell where CT gives you ideas for food intake.
Do you happen to remember the title of the thread or have a link? I’ve gone through several pages of T-cell and can’t find it…
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if you didnt find it yet…
Monday
5x5 squat
5x5 bench press / press
5x5 power clean
3x5 dips
3x5 chinups
Wednesday
3x3 front squat
3x3 press / bench press
3x3 power clean
5x5 curls
3x20 calf raise
Friday
PR squat
PR bench press / press
PR deadlift
2x12 weighted situps
[quote]Professor X wrote:
trextacy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DropShot wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Typhoon wrote:
This would be a much better thread if people posted a routine then their gains on their routine with their curent stats over the course of a few months or so.
Not even that. It would be a better thread if the people posting routines actually simply looked built. How the hell is that too much to ask on a bodybuilding forum? Why would anyone listen to someone who hasn’t built much muscle as far as what routine they use?
This site is a joke in that regard. Go to the T-Cell to find threads done about how big people train. Look up Bauer’s thread or Dathibluline and leave everyone with 14" arms to keep posting about what “works”.
Generalization. I’m no skinny runt and I posted what I do.
And for that matter, a lot of the philosophies I go by are what I’ve read from you big guys while I lurked here for two years.
No one said you were a skinny runt. However, this is a BODYBUILDING FORUM. one would assume the goal is to get really big (bigger than the average weekend warrior on this site who trains once or twice a week, if that)…therefore, asking how people train should NOT include people with little to no size on them who never post pictures of themselves.
No one singled you out. You have made decent progress already. As far as you are concerned, keep up the good work.
We already have one thread where people are posting very unimpressive stats talking about what they PLAN to do. We never get that thread where they all come back and blow us away with their progress.
I just don’t get why people who aren’t built love to speak up so much about how they train.
I believe that is officially the 10,000th time you’ve written the word “bodybuilding” in all caps. Congrats.
This is a simple thread asking folks how they train. You don’t have to storm in here like a cocksucker and do your schtick. Seriously, just stfu and don’t post in the thread if you don’t like it. It isn’t hard, and not every thread is a referendum on the “state of things” here at T-Nation or a call for you to grind your tired ax.
And no matter how much you scream and cry, not everyone who doesn’t have pics posted on the internet is a pussy who never trains, and not everyone who is going to belong to this site is going to be huge by your standards. It’s a long process and there are new people getting into lifting every day. People are at different stages, and you should try harder to understand that and not post the same knee-jerk shit every time something you perceive to be worthless is posted.
I would add that, perhaps, some of your frustration w/ seeing the same things over and over again and having to repeat yourself has to do w/ the fact that you’ve been here 7 years, have 30,000 posts, and have a custom-made avatar for yourself. I suspect that having a hobby outside of being hall monitor for an internet forum and e-badass might make you realize that the stakes on a BODYBUILDING FORUM just aren’t really as high as you perceive them to be.
Oh, and there are weight classes in BODYBUILDING, and no one here is bound by your limited conception of the sport.
I have never seen someone so obsessed with everything someone types. Do you plan to follow me around from here on out to scold how and what I write here?
If you didn’t notice, the fact that you seem to care SO much about what I write here isn’t apathy…so why do my words bring so much emotion for you? I mean, entire paragraphs because I think developed people should be the ones asked about how they train?
Really?
Are you jealous or just crazy?
You aren’t even attacking points made anymore, you simply make it personal. That is very fucking strange.
There seem to be like 5 of you running around who do nothing but spend most of your time critiquing what I post and judging it to be unworthy…yet no one can count on you for advice and no one is thanking you for helping them. Why is that?
Look, I get it, you log on, you are ashamed to show what you look like, so you rip apart anyone who makes progress the determinant in what works and what doesn’t.
I am very sorry for you. I do not mean to antagonize whatever mental disorder causes you to focus on me so intently. I can only hope you do finally seek help for your affliction and I hope putting you on my ignore list will help you in the long run.
PS.
I know some numbers to call just in case you feel suicidal or like you want to kill small animals in a microwave. Just let me know…even though I won’t be able to read it.
Goodbye, friend.[/quote]
Fucking shit.
Professor X someone who makes 29000 posts on a BODYBUILDING forum by and large saying the same goddamn thing over and over again is not in the position to call another poster crazy and obsessed.
Most of us are adults here and we can decide what bodybuilding tips/strategies/plans we should take seriously and which we can take with grain of salt. The fact is this is a BODYBUILDING community and people can ask other members what they do and people are free to write what we do for for our workouts. We do not need you telling us that your approach to BODYBUILDING is the only one worth listening to 29000 times. And we certainly do not need you telling other people people to shut 10x a day. YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THE MODERATORS. yes I know you are a doctor BUT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF DOCTORS IN THIS COUNTRY MANY OF WHOM ARE SMARTER THAN YOU. so ladee-fucking da for you.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
MiJuggernaut wrote:
80lb difference between the two. I am interested in Entering a natty show next fall, not sure if I can pull it off. Anyone who has competed or gained a significant amount of muscle, what would you do differently?
I wouldn’t spend from now until January working on “strength/power” and THEN “bulk up” when bulking up just means focusing on muscle gains above all else and you should be getting stronger and “gaining power” while doing so.[/quote]
Regarding the three phases, I am aware that you can and should gain strength while bulking, however I have noticed that strength training is rigidly periodized while bodybuilding programs seem to be written without any long term periodization at all. So rather than than just try to add weight to the bar and training the same all year long or getting a math nerd to help me set an undulated conjujugated periodization scheme based my one rep max-5%x3.1415, I thought I would break up training goals. Starr’s 5x5 is a proven strength routine, and I need to be stronger, but while I hope to add muscle, my primary goal will be the weight on the bar. BBB has worked for adding muscle to my frame and MODOK credits the program as the one he used to morph into jacked dude.
While on BBB I can start focus on adding pounds to the scale, although I still plan to get stronger. Finally, Arnold’s program is a chance to focus on on intensity, the pump and the mirror (what bodybuilder doesn’t love this stuff?), whish will hopefully make dieting more tolerable.
I read most of the articles here and I never see anything about how set a training year.
I work with a chick who works out daily and has a hot body. She has had the same routine for six years!!! I think some people are creatures of habit and others (like me) would shoot themselves in the head over the monotony. NE resources on other ways to set up a training year?
biceps
triceps
bicep/abs
triceps/abs
back
chest
[quote]JAMESROSE666 wrote:
Congratulations Professor X on killing this thread with your high standards.
Well done, you must be so, SO proud of having sidetracked this thread to shit… and you have the audacity to claim that others are killing this forum.
Others (CC, for ex.) were actually exchanging ideas about training and injuries etc, as should be expected on a BODYBUILDING forum.
The reason me and others post this type of response is because of all the biggest guys here, you are also the biggest ass. CC, MODOK, Stu, 300andabove, Brook, Dave, FattyFat, are all at similar levels but don’t see the need to insult and denigrate everyone and anyone below them. You are actually turning people off this lifestyle/activity and simply playing into the “meatheads” stereotype. nice one
forum (plural forums or fora)
Why do we have to have another thread become an attack on prof x.
Listen, the guy has 30,000 posts-if you dont know where he is coming from by now, you havent
been reading.
some people take things much to seriously on this board
prof X-sometimes he pisses me off and I think his ego and opinion of himself is bigger than the hoover dam-I end up screaming “a-hole” at my computer
-other times I think he tells it like it is, makes a lot of sense, and think I need to use some of his training philosophy.
-either way, I am always entertained, and because of it, when I see his avatar, I always read his posts.
X-keep it up
(people can call me a ball washer now…I can take it)
I currently do a 4 day split hitting most things twice a week, direct work then indirect work the second time I hit it,with exception of my back which I hit heavy twice a week.
I focus on hams/back/quads/back (trying to add back thickness/size)
1 set 5x5 and then 1 set 3x8
on 1 back day I add chest-(hammer bench,dumbbell incline)
on the other back day I add minor chest/shoulders (dip,military press)
biceps on quad day, triceps on ham day.
increases have been consistent for my back even though I hit it hard (vertical then horizontal)twice a week I think the different planes make a difference.
sorry X, no pictures, you can say I suck
on the way to the gym, its quad/biceps day
-g
Monday: Shoulders/Traps
Tuesday: Squats n stuff
Wednesday: Off
Thursday: Chest/Triceps
Friday: Deadlifts n stuff
Saturday: off
Sunday: Upper back/biceps
A simple split hitting bodyparts every 7 days never really fails me. I made most of my gains doing this.
I tried 5/3/1 doing some upper/lower stuff but it just felt ‘wrong’ and planned out, I couldn’t self regulate my training because of this ‘plan’. It didn’t feel I was hitting everything equally and as a result my progress slowed.
But in all, what works for me is MINIMAL planning, just a split, an exercise order and a rough rep range. My body will tell me when to back off and what not, and I can’t ignore that because a ‘program’ says so.
I’ve been taking some advice from CT, and incorporating some CNS activating exercises at the very beginning of my workouts and it has made me a lot stronger on my main lifts.
I.e -
Bench press from pins 2-3" above chest, 2 sets of 2-4 reps.
Bench press 5x5
Incline press (HS, DB or BB) 3-4 x 6-10.
Simple. But it feels amazing and ‘perfect’. So far it’s been very effective.
I know I am somewhat of a noob and ‘relatively’ weak, but I think ANYONE would benefit from a CNS activating exercise. It increased my strength instantly.
For example, you know that feeling when you have just done your first set of lateral raises? Lifting your arms to the sides feels like pure nothingness and almost robot like - Well it’s like that, except your normal working weights feel unusually light and easy to handle.
Try it!
Right now I just like doing stuff from pins (squats, overhead press, bench), I haven’t tried any speed work, I don’t know a lot about it though.
For deadlifts, I don’t really know what to do. I went from rack pulls to stiff-legs and that felt pretty effective… Perhaps decifict deadlifts before regular deadlifts would work.