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[quote]haney wrote:
deanec wrote:
ZEB wrote:
paul bunyan wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
paul bunyan wrote:
This is strange because the bible only mentions creating men.

God Created Birds and Fish:
Genesis 1:20-23

God Creates “Beasts of the Earth”:
Genesis 1:24-25

God Creates Man:
Genesis 1:26-27

Man was created last out of everything.

And a “day” to the Lord…may not be a “day” as we define it.

I meant only men and not dinos. And how come the word “day” is not taken literally in the bible but everything else is?. How can you just pick and chose what you believe?

This is why “a day” is not taken literally:

2 Peter 3:8:

"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

In a nut shell that means that God’s time is different than our time. This makes sense as God stands outside of “man made” time.

He could have very well created the entire Universe in 6000 years (as one day represents a thousand years). Or not…

Caution-below is simply my opinion. Nowhere is this stated in the Bible.

When our close family members and friends die they will not miss us in Heaven because of the time difference stated above. We know that there is no anguish in heaven. Therefore, our loved ones who have passed on will not miss us. But how could that be?

While say 50 years passes on this earth only perhaps the equivalent of 5 minutes passes in heaven. Hence, no “time” for them to miss you. It’s almost like arriving at a party a few minutes before your loved one does.

Anyone have any comment on my little theory?

The Hebrew word used for “day” in Genesis 1 is “yom” which is always used as a literal 24 hour period, which is why I don’t buy this.

It may mean 24 hours in Genesis, but it isn’t always used in a literal 24 hour period.

From Strongs Hebrew dictionary

H3117
יום
yôm
yome

From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.

or from brown Derby

H3117
יום
yôm

BDB Definition:

  1. day, time, year
    1a) day (as opposed to night)
    1b) day (24 hour period)
    1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
    1b2) as a division of time
    1b2a) a working day, a day?s journey
    1c) days, lifetime (plural)
    1d) time, period (general)
    1e) year
    1f) temporal references
    1f1) today
    1f2) yesterday
    1f3) tomorrow
    Part of Speech: noun masculine[/quote]

Let me clarify; in the context in which it is used, my studies indicate it is always indicative of a literal day. There are many good people who argue otherwise.

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[quote]deanec wrote:

The Hebrew word used for “day” in Genesis 1 is “yom” which is always used as a literal 24 hour period, which is why I don’t buy this.[/quote]

But what’s the Hebrew word for a “thousand?”

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
ZEB wrote:
jsbrook wrote:

I am giving a personal opinion that Lorisco alienates and, if anything, makes me less inclined to embrace relgion. I suspect for others too. I am not asserting opinions as facts as you have done. I stand by what I said about Lorisco as compared to others. That is my OPINION of how he comes across.

…Back again and again…

That is YOUR opinion. I am glad that you can advance one![/quote]

And you are back yet again…

Good To See You. :slight_smile:

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JPBear:

I thank you for your addition!

The followin is is a problem for every man. Especially us high T types :slight_smile:

I read this book and it is an excellent source of strength for me.

I think it really is all about dicsipline. When we have various thoughts and those thoughts are allowed to grow and take root we then act on them.

Jesus said it best in Matthew 5:28 & 29:

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

And what’s the cure?

Matthew 5:29:

"If your right eye causes you to sin gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thown into hell.

(There’s that “hell” word again…He sure does mention hell a lot, even more than heaven! Take note Atheists)

Now he may not mean to literally gouge your eye out for looking at a women lustfully. But I think he does mean to “gouge out” that part of your life which is causing you to stumble.

If it’s online porn then make sure that you block those areas ahead of time. If you are being tempted by the married woman who works next to you then move your work station, ask for a transfer. In short take action to “gouge out” that which is tempting you to fall.

“Flee from temptation.”

(But certainly even literally it is better to gouge out your eye than to spend enternity in hell, as Jesus mentions.)

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[quote]deanec wrote:
Let me clarify; in the context in which it is used, my studies indicate it is always indicative of a literal day. There are many good people who argue otherwise.[/quote]

I agree. I take joy in knowing I can take all both sides from a biblical stance and discuss with ease.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
deanec wrote:

The Hebrew word used for “day” in Genesis 1 is “yom” which is always used as a literal 24 hour period, which is why I don’t buy this.

But what’s the Hebrew word for a “thousand?”

[/quote]

in hebrew it is

eh’-lef
Properly the same as H504; hence (an ox?s head being the first letter of the alphabet, and this eventually used as a numeral) a thousand: - thousand

in greek there are several, but the verse in question is

G5507
χίλιοι
chilioi
khil’-ee-oy
Plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand: - thousand.

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I had been raised a Catholic, thought it was a lot of BS, and rejected God outright. Then, 2 days before her 24th birthday, my fiance had a massive heart arythmia and died. It was that night that the Lord spoke to me, loudly and clearly, with a voice unlike any I’ve ever heard. It changed my life (and it was quite painful to write this, even many years later).

I’ve had one other experience, but not to the same depth as the above.

So, I know there is our Lord, he has spoken to me, and I’ve been in his presence.

HH

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
miniross wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
miniross wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Hey, this thread is all well and good, but shouldn’t you guys be over on the Atheist site spreading the good news instead of holding up in here talking with yourselves?

This thread was started to discuss our faith, not crawling into a hole and bashing athiests. There is a time and a place. I prefer praying for them, and allowing the holy spirit to the work that the holy spirit does. Does that mean I shouldn’t go in there? Nope. But if I’m not led in there, it’s the wrong place to be.

If you felt led by the spirit to go into that thread - knock yourself out.

Hi

I will only interject the once, but please dont pray for me. Pray for somone who might appreciate it, pray for starving children in africa, pray for those dont understand anything else but prayer. I appreciate the sentiment, but dont.

But dont pray for me.

miniross,

I am going to specifically pray for you! That you will be gloriously saved by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Did you realize that your country (England) used to be the #1 country for sending Christian Missionaries to the World (people like J. Hudson Taylor).

May you find His Peace…

Yes, we sent them out (read kicked them out). Note used to. moved on, brother.

Perhaps, minross, that’s why England lost its Empire. That and the retraction of the Balfour Declaration.

Hm, God says “I’ll bless them that bless thee [the Jewish people] and curse them that curse thee [the Jewish people].”

Perhaps there is something to this “Bible thing” huh?[/quote]

What will be the americans excuse?

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[quote]miniross wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
miniross wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
miniross wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Hey, this thread is all well and good, but shouldn’t you guys be over on the Atheist site spreading the good news instead of holding up in here talking with yourselves?

This thread was started to discuss our faith, not crawling into a hole and bashing athiests. There is a time and a place. I prefer praying for them, and allowing the holy spirit to the work that the holy spirit does. Does that mean I shouldn’t go in there? Nope. But if I’m not led in there, it’s the wrong place to be.

If you felt led by the spirit to go into that thread - knock yourself out.

Hi

I will only interject the once, but please dont pray for me. Pray for somone who might appreciate it, pray for starving children in africa, pray for those dont understand anything else but prayer. I appreciate the sentiment, but dont.

But dont pray for me.

miniross,

I am going to specifically pray for you! That you will be gloriously saved by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Did you realize that your country (England) used to be the #1 country for sending Christian Missionaries to the World (people like J. Hudson Taylor).

May you find His Peace…

Yes, we sent them out (read kicked them out). Note used to. moved on, brother.

Perhaps, minross, that’s why England lost its Empire. That and the retraction of the Balfour Declaration.

Hm, God says “I’ll bless them that bless thee [the Jewish people] and curse them that curse thee [the Jewish people].”

Perhaps there is something to this “Bible thing” huh?

What will be the americans excuse?
[/quote]

The same thing I’m afraid…

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I had been raised a Catholic, thought it was a lot of BS, and rejected God outright. Then, 2 days before her 24th birthday, my fiance had a massive heart arythmia and died. It was that night that the Lord spoke to me, loudly and clearly, with a voice unlike any I’ve ever heard. It changed my life (and it was quite painful to write this, even many years later).

I’ve had one other experience, but not to the same depth as the above.

So, I know there is our Lord, he has spoken to me, and I’ve been in his presence.

HH[/quote]

Thank you for sharing your story. The son of a friend of mine received Jesus on his deathbed after being stabbed and beaten. The sorrow of this situation does not take away from God’s glory in the way he chose to reveal himself. God revealed himself to me in my time of deepest need, in a hospital the day after a suicide attempt. He came and filled my blacked, hardened, hateful soul with his joy and his presence. I will never forget that moment

I will be praying for you.

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[quote]Kuz wrote:
pookie wrote:
monkey_space wrote:
OK. That was a lot and after reading over it a few times I don’t expect anyone will even read it. Nothing was meant as a flame. I was just expressing my views on both sides.

Christopher

Well I read it and I think both sides, myself among them, could learn from your example.

So here’s to polite debates and respectful discourse.

Agreed.

Very well put, Christopher.[/quote]

Thank you, Kevin.

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[quote]Habitual wrote:
Monkey_space,

Beautiful Post. I appreciate your courage to stand up for your beliefs.
[/quote]

Thank you.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I had been raised a Catholic, thought it was a lot of BS, and rejected God outright. Then, 2 days before her 24th birthday, my fiance had a massive heart arythmia and died. It was that night that the Lord spoke to me, loudly and clearly, with a voice unlike any I’ve ever heard. It changed my life (and it was quite painful to write this, even many years later).

I’ve had one other experience, but not to the same depth as the above.

So, I know there is our Lord, he has spoken to me, and I’ve been in his presence.

HH

Thank you for sharing your story. The son of a friend of mine received Jesus on his deathbed after being stabbed and beaten. The sorrow of this situation does not take away from God’s glory in the way he chose to reveal himself. God revealed himself to me in my time of deepest need, in a hospital the day after a suicide attempt. He came and filled my blacked, hardened, hateful soul with his joy and his presence. I will never forget that moment

I will be praying for you.
[/quote]

These are sad storys and i feel a great deal of sympathy for you, but what a cruel bastard god is to wait until then.

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
miniross wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
miniross wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
miniross wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Hey, this thread is all well and good, but shouldn’t you guys be over on the Atheist site spreading the good news instead of holding up in here talking with yourselves?

This thread was started to discuss our faith, not crawling into a hole and bashing athiests. There is a time and a place. I prefer praying for them, and allowing the holy spirit to the work that the holy spirit does. Does that mean I shouldn’t go in there? Nope. But if I’m not led in there, it’s the wrong place to be.

If you felt led by the spirit to go into that thread - knock yourself out.

Hi

I will only interject the once, but please dont pray for me. Pray for somone who might appreciate it, pray for starving children in africa, pray for those dont understand anything else but prayer. I appreciate the sentiment, but dont.

But dont pray for me.

miniross,

I am going to specifically pray for you! That you will be gloriously saved by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Did you realize that your country (England) used to be the #1 country for sending Christian Missionaries to the World (people like J. Hudson Taylor).

May you find His Peace…

Yes, we sent them out (read kicked them out). Note used to. moved on, brother.

Perhaps, minross, that’s why England lost its Empire. That and the retraction of the Balfour Declaration.

Hm, God says “I’ll bless them that bless thee [the Jewish people] and curse them that curse thee [the Jewish people].”

Perhaps there is something to this “Bible thing” huh?

What will be the americans excuse?

The same thing I’m afraid…[/quote]

Yes, because religious virtuosity and successful economic empires are linked. That, rather than cripplling debt due to a massive empire and wars are the cause.

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[quote]miniross wrote:
JPBear wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
I had been raised a Catholic, thought it was a lot of BS, and rejected God outright. Then, 2 days before her 24th birthday, my fiance had a massive heart arythmia and died. It was that night that the Lord spoke to me, loudly and clearly, with a voice unlike any I’ve ever heard. It changed my life (and it was quite painful to write this, even many years later).

I’ve had one other experience, but not to the same depth as the above.

So, I know there is our Lord, he has spoken to me, and I’ve been in his presence.

HH

Thank you for sharing your story. The son of a friend of mine received Jesus on his deathbed after being stabbed and beaten. The sorrow of this situation does not take away from God’s glory in the way he chose to reveal himself. God revealed himself to me in my time of deepest need, in a hospital the day after a suicide attempt. He came and filled my blacked, hardened, hateful soul with his joy and his presence. I will never forget that moment

I will be praying for you.

These are sad storys and i feel a great deal of sympathy for you, but what a cruel bastard god is to wait until then.[/quote]

I used to think like that until I understood how God works: It is said that we are made in His image. There may be more to this than first appears. Perhaps God is like our bodies, in response to trouble or infection. The ‘trouble’ has to be large enough to gain attention. Why does God allow terrible things to happen?

He doesn’t, but responds much like our immune systems respond. Is there a deathcamp in Poland? Fire up the immune system (the Soviet army) to quash it. Tragedy in your personal life? God does what He can.

I know this will attract laughter or ridicule from some, but that’s my explanation for evil.

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But your immune system then recognises future recurrence. In that, the misery suffered by millions of individuals would have had similarities and would, in that instance, kick in, or even (gasp) prevent it.

Prevention is better than cure, as they say.

When will he step in and save the rain forests and the thousands of species and potential life saving organisms there?

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MIniross,

I’m going to ask one time only for you to please stop doing this to this thread. We were having good conversations and your constant intercessions are very disruptive.

I don’t know why you are doing this, but please stop, as most of us (as far as I know) have not done anything to warrant your actions.

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
MIniross,

I’m going to ask one time only for you to please stop doing this to this thread. We were having good conversations and your constant intercessions are very disruptive.

I don’t know why you are doing this, but please stop, as most of us (as far as I know) have not done anything to warrant your actions.
[/quote]

Amazing! The atheists have their own thread, but feel it very necessary to disrupt this thread…

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
MIniross,

I’m going to ask one time only for you to please stop doing this to this thread. We were having good conversations and your constant intercessions are very disruptive.

I don’t know why you are doing this, but please stop, as most of us (as far as I know) have not done anything to warrant your actions.
[/quote]

OK Apha Dragon.

I am off. I would say they were hardly constant, but hey, there you go.

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I think it would be great if Christians at T-Nation would post to tell everyone what God is doing in your life. It would be encouraging to the rest of us as well as showing the true side of Christianity – a true relationship with God through the Lord Jesus Christ.

In my devotions recently, I came across a prayer of Moses to God. The Jewish people were led out of Egypt by God through Moses. Even though Moses knew God well – the Bible says that [i] “the LORD spake unto Moses face to face as a man speaketh to his friend.” Exodus 33:11[/i]

Unfortunately, when Moses left to get God’s commandments, the people rebelled against God by inducing Aaron to make a calf of gold and they worshipped it. Moses became very angry and broke the tables of stone and God said to Moses that Moses was to take the Jewish people into the land of Cainaan but that God was not going along with them.

Moses was very distraught about this and so he prays to God and says:

[i]“Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.” Exodus 33:13[/i]

Although Moses “knew” all about God – God considered Moses His friend – there was obviously something that Moses wanted more. Notice that he does not pray (as we do sometimes) for God to show Moses “his way.” He doesn’t pray that God would show him His perfect path for himself. Moses prays that God would show him God’s way for the purpose that Moses might “know him.” Know him more deeply; know him more securely; know him more intimately.

This passage shows me my need to really know God. To know him more deeply and more fully. To do this I am reading through the Bible this year and with each passage I read, I am asking that God would “show me thy way, that I might know thee.”

May God bless each and every one!