I mentioned in a previous thread that Tribex was about to be banned in the UK. Well my Biotest supplier has just advised that ALL T boosters (including Androsol) are going to be banned in the near future!!!
What’s the deal here? The USA has always been more conservative towards supplements than the UK, are you facing problems there?
I’m concerned that years of hard work in bringing supplements to a level where they’re effective will go down the pan. Surely the idea of developing legal safe compounds that negate the need to use anabolic steroids should be applauded? Why go the other route and encourage people to use potentially dangerous, illegal substances?
Please tell me that you are shitting me! I cannot beleive this stupid country sometimes. This makes me really angry. I train with a couple of guys who are fairly regular juicers so it is tough as hell keeping up as it is, at least with prohormones and the like I can train and make some good, safe gains this way. The thing is the fools who make these decisions know squat! When I was doing my a-levels, I was taking creatine and my few of my different groups of friends were absolutely convinced I was on steroids, and no matter how much you tell them, they just dont get it!! It seems like such a waste of all the effort, you might as well just accept that legit companies are going to get fucked left right and centre, and we’ll be either forced to wait until a company develops something and then buying up enough bottles/tubs/sprays as we can afford, or turning to other substances. T-rex, if this is really true, post a message asap as Im definitely going to stock up while i’ve got money.
I usually buy my Biotest supplements online from Cyberflex (hope I can say that).
Check out their website and you’ll see a list of supps that have recently been banned - Tribex and MD6 (old formula) are amongst them.
I asked the CEO of Cyberflex what the deal was and why Androsol wasn’t being banned here (word for word) is his response: -
'Yes I agree my friend, I don’t know how they banned Tribex !! I think it is because of the TRIBULIS that it has. Androsol is going soon, don’t you worry !! I can tell you that in the near future, every testosterone product will be banned !! SHOCKER… but that will not stop companies bringing out new supplements.
As we work very close with Biotest in the states, we have a large amount of both MD6 and Tribex, I think it should last for another 4 or 5 weeks …tops.’
Now I’ve been corresponding with this bloke for some time and he’s a stand-up guy.
I’m really looking for some input on this from the T-Mag staff, as I said earlier, this shit winds me up no end!!!
Damn it! I’m moving to the UK in 2 weeks and half the reason i’m going is to get my hands on these funky biotest supps! in aussie they’ve banned practically everything that isn’t protein. i’d hate to see uk turned into a bodybuilding desert too. ah well, guess i’ll just have to take my holidays in greece huh?
Chris - Which Vitex are you using and what dosage?
This situation really pisses me off.
It seems cutting edge companies (like Biotest) that produce effective supps that work are being penalised whilst scum companies (I’ll mention no names) are allowed to churn out products that don’t work and consitstently rip-off naive customers.
Where is the logic in that?
MD6, T2, Tribex, maybe Androsol - where will it stop? Do we all have to go ‘underground’ and start juicing to get an ‘edge’.
Just checked their site(btw, thanks for that site, its damn good!). My supplier is in Bristol and hes still got a load of androsol tribex and even (i think) the old T2 formula! This situation really is an absolute nightmare, I just bought the last 4 bottles of androsol and I dread running out - if it didnt work, i wouldnt be so pissed! I think tribex/tribulis producst being banned is crazy, its been around all the while whilst i’ve been training, honestly. you think they’d have something better to do than waste their time baning supplements which arent exactly mainstream, you dont see them in supermarkets or in malls - most of us have done our research and made our own minds up on what to take/not too - and the sad thing is it seems that there is nothing to do exept rely on companys to keep bringing out supps and caning them as much as possible until we cant have them. it makes me want to say fuck it and just juice.
I’m starting to sound like an advert for Cyberflex now but I have to say that their service is top drawer. I’ve made direct contact with the CEO and he’s arranged some special Biotest deals for me (apparently they’re in the process of taking over the company that distribut Biotest products in Europe). They have plenty of T2 and Androsol in stock (neither have been banned in the UK as yet) and should have old formula MD6 and Tribex for a while yet.
T-Rex - Im using Holland and Barretts 400mg Agnus Castrus capsules (100 for £4.99), I’m noticing the effects everyone is talking about although i would’nt rule out a placebo effect, then again at £4.99 who cares :-). I agree about cyberflex, they are the best company to order from without a doubt, What are these specials the CEO is hooking you up with? Let me know if he’ll make them available for anyone else. I too can’t believe they banned Tribulus, Andro products might scare politicians but Tribulus, come on! Does anyone know if the Gov has issued a statement about this? They must have reasons, and so far i’ve only seen this written on the Cyberflex site, can we be sure this is real or a hoax?
I placed an order with Cyberflex and had a few queries so I e-mailed the customer support address. The CEO responded and was very helpful.
If you check the site you’ll see they have set deals (buy three Surge get one T2 free, etc). I wanted to order T2 and Androsol but there wasn’t a specific deal so I cheekily sent an e-mail direct and asked whether he could do anything. Got an excellent response and a good deal to boot.
I’d suggest they have no problem putting together one off deals for existing customers. For my my money they’re the best place to purchase Biotest products in the UK and I doubt they would bullshit us about the customs problems.
Thanks for the info regarding Vitex, I’ll give it a go.
Its glad to see at least some companies arent dicking us about, btw if this is allowed might want to check out www.gymratz.co.uk, the guy is straight up and totally sound, guess if we network we can get our hands on as much stuff as possible. I dont know who makes decisions like this, but I for one would love to see a huge group of frikkin masssive bodybuilders and powerlifters politely refuse to speak to us… now THAT is action, and you know what, I reckon every one of the ‘decision making experts’ has never squatted in his life! Chris, I have just boght some vitex too, am switching form a 4 week HIT programme to GVT, along with surge, AP, androsol, tribex and the aforemetioned vitex - so let me know how its going as have been concucting my ‘perfect gaining’ month for ages! T-Rex, on cyberflex have you checked out their new product with by gen - whats your thoughts on that one. later guys.
It seems we’ve established a ‘UK T-Men Support Group’ LOL.
Out of interest, have any of you managed to obtain copies of the print version of T-Mag?
Biotest UK say they’re unable to arrange subscriptions (lack of copies apparently) and Biotest USA say they’re unable to arrange overseas subscriptions!
Bloody annoying as it sounds choc full of decent additional info.
Found out some new info today, The Medical Control Agency (MCA) are apparently going to make a decision about Andro products anyday now, apparently this will affect the states too so we aren’t on our own. I don’t know about Tribulis though, maybe the Cyberflex guy jumped the gun a bit, or maybe he’s got some inside knowledge. I’ve managed to get Testosterone printed issue no.4 from biotest UK (i ordered some Surge when it first came out and they threw it in for free :-), the printed mag is pretty cool and definately better than everything else out there. As for the product from Gen, sounds Dodgy as, I mean come on its got bloody chicken chromosomes or something in it! (though i haven’t looked at any studies to completely write it off) I’ll stick with my protein shakes and vitex for now! Dannyboy - best thing i found for gaining phases is adding a morning shake of 80g protein to my daily intake, I used to sip it throughout the morning at work and get strange looks, but i did manage a 18lb gain in 5 weeks (natural i might add). Chris.
Hey, ok thought i’d chime in, i live in scotland and have been with testosterone from issue 4, so i have and always will be with the forum i used to post regularly in the beggining, asking if there were any uk t-men but more or less gave up after about three months but recently i have noticed that there is a steady group of us using the forum, and i makes me proud that you and i are among if not the first to be educated t-man style.
I welcome you all to the brotherhood
on a more serious note i have around £400 saved and i know what i’m stock piling up on!
have any of you used any other supps, maximuscle maybe? results?
Finally some more T-brothers this side! T-rex; I have managed to get a copy of the printed magazine from GNC in reading and i think in bristol too. You can also order them from www.biotest.co.uk(which also happens to the GEN site!). I have read it to death - it really is good and knocks the shit out of every otehr magazine i have read - one thing i have been doing is slowly printing off all the issues form the first at work to make my own printed uber-t-mag(as im quiting soon so i might as well make the most of it!), the only problem with the t-mag site is you cant take it to the toilet with you! Chris; where did you find out the info about the MCA, i have been searching the web as am contemplating just buying all the andro i can get my hands on, and i still am having major issues that they are banning tribulis, its getting reidiculus - just like trying to get proper ephedrine in this country(chest-eeze, anadin and pro-plus anyone - lol!). I admit that gen product did sound a little ‘fruity’ and essentailly the ogliopepetides are just small chain proteins, so i might try it(sucker for a new product) but it seems a bit crazy to me. If that protein mega shake really works i will give it a try(i work in a sales office with a load of pinstriped fellows, you should se the looks I get! I freak em out, they all have fancy little frappachinos and panninis, i have a stack or bar-b-q chicken and a half a kilo of rice, they are afraid. If it works i will let you know, and a natural gain of that much, top drawer(if im lucky i will have a full month off to train before i go to australia so i am going to rampo it up big style. FFB; There are a couple others on here too, but this forum is really sound, one of the best ive visited. I am trying to educate as many as possible about this site, and I wrote TC a letter, and the guy sent me a shirt! Which, I hasten to add i wear with pride next week on ‘dress-down friday’ . I really like the stateside influence, as i have found it to be alot more popular over there and the info is excellent(i hope to try ‘westside’ soon). I love the whole attitude of testosterone(been with fro about 6 months) and it actually has changed my life(hence i got the t-shirt). On the other supps side of thing, before biotest, and if i cant get hold of any, i use maximuscle - i did a stack of 19-nor-keto, androil and PS-CLA, now that was the best stack of there’s i have ever used(gain of 14lbs in 5 weeks) - before i had one or two stretch marks around my arm - at the end i was riddled with the little sods - i must admit my training stryle that month was mental medium weight, 40 sets for chest, 70 sets for bag and legs, 20/30 for shoulders and arms 12-15 reps & 45 secs rest - dont know why it worked but it did! See ya later( need some tea…lol)
I got the MCA stuff from Maximuscle’s newsletter. I’ve used Maximuscle stuff in the past before I discovered Biotest (incidentally i’ve been with T-mag since the early 90’s), their stuffs OK, but a little pricey. Even if Andro products do get banned here there will always be a way to get them, plus i’m waiting for MAG-10 and Brocks M product and the new Methoxy, that sounds like it would be an amazing stack. Dannyboy - Good luck for your month of gaining, i’d also recomend ZMA, I find taking it every other night works better then every night but you might want to experiment. I get strange looks at work too when im chugging down a protein drink and even stranger ones when I start promoting fats as a way of fat loss to the girls! One other tip, at the end of your gaining phase spend the last 3 days reducing carbs quite drastically and training your butt off then on the fourth day eat carbs by the bucket load as well as using Maximuscles Vanadyl-X5, on the fifth day I was leaner and had put on an additional 4lbs over night (all glycogen and water) but I looked fucking incredible, thats an incredibly poncy thing to do, but hey, i’ve got no problems with being vain, especially when it leads to more tail
Maximuscles news letter is pretty usefull and that what i started off using. I agree with the andro products, my misses is doing a degree in medicinal and pharmecutical chemistry so i hopefully will get her to make me all kinds of fun stuff( i have no issues with the supplier that way - lol!). i too cant wait for the new stuff coming out, esp MAG 10 and the Methoxy - am going to try and order some methoxy from the states now, and basically sell whatever i need to to get a couple of years worth of the stuff. I have tried ZMA before - the only problem i had is having it on an empty stomach, as have taken to have angel delight/cottage cheese blended pudding(the only way i can eat the stuff!) I presume you are talking about the fat fast, i was eating all this fat and getting leanner and leaner and they insisted that their rice/pasta/sandwiches would help then lose weight - the fools! Oh, and thanks for the tip about the vanadyl - never really figured out what to do with (mental, mental pumps though) and will definitely give it a shot - am embarking on a generally lean gaining phase lasting about 7 months(as am treating myslef to a holiday in the states - started a string about string about the notorious spring break, there is no way im NOT going!!!, 'aaaight!
Dannyboy (i dont think you’ll find many have problems with vanity, ‘tail’ rules!)
