I am 39 years old, and I have never done steroids before. I have take natural Testosterone boosters, and I took a prohormone once by accident that I thought was a testosterone booster. The side effects were terrible what a mistake, I am much more careful now. From doing an online survey I thought my T levels were low about 3 years ago, so I started naturally boosting my T levels 18 months ago, when I got off the couch and started going to the gym again.
Anyway around 4 weeks ago I took 4 Novedex caps(a natural OTC estrogen blocker/testosterone booster, 3 generic ZMA caps 1/2 hour before bed, and 3 750 mg (2,250 mg total) caps of Bulgarin Tribulus spread out over the day. I did this natural stack for 4 weeks and then I had my Testosterone levels checked. Here are the results:
Date Collected: 1/18/2008
Test Description Result Range Units
Testosterone, Serum 1820 241-827 ng/dL
Free Testosterone(Direct) >56.0 8.7-25.1 pg/mL
Date Collected: 1/18/2008
As you can see my Total T level and Free-T level Results are more than twice the normal ranges. There are other natural Estrogen blockers/Testosterone boosters that work just as well as Novedex.
I bench press 400 lbs. once, and curl 115 lbs., with proper technique(no cheating) 5 sets of 10 reps.
I was a little freaked out about te results, so any feedback would greatly be appreciated. I have come off the novedex for a while to bring my levels down, as have blown my temper a few times in the last month(not good). I plan on getting tested again next month.
My friend is on Andro Gel from the Doc, and his T-levels are only 300.
Looks like supps win out with out the side effects.
I encourage you to try this stack(with less natural Estrogen Blockers/Testosterone boosters and get tested before and after. I wish I had tested before hand, but the difference was huge.
I am not lecturing anyone. All I am saying is there are less harmful alternatives to steroid use than can be as effective. But I don’t know what real steroids do to your T-Levels, or the consequences of super high T levels. I plan on bring my T levels down into the higher range of normal.
If your going to do Steroids that is OK, as long as you know what your doing(PCT, liver support, etc.) and you have tried and had your T levels checked on everything else, and if you are prepared for any possible consequences. I was trying to reach the group of high school students who don’t know anything and then go on juice or a prohormone. I have posted on other forums. But what I am looking for is info on any harm from having my T levels so high?
I do not dead lift or clean and jerk, as that aggravates my bad back. I do bench press 400 lbs. once, and I military press 175 lbs. for 5 sets of ten reps each. That doesn’t matter, what matters is my T-Levels are high on a natural stack that can be done and checked by anyone.
Just shut up, you obviously dont know anything about steroids so we dont need your advice on why or why not to take them…everybody’s got a bad back pal, my guesses are if you learned to do those lifts correctly you’d probably cure your back problems.
You restated your bench, great you have a big strong chest and a puny week back, congratulations if your satisfied. Again, nobody cares.
I do exercise my back and the rest of my body in other ways. I do know about steroids as some of my friends who compete do them. Since you know so much, what are your T levels both Free and total when you are on a cycle?
I’m glad your noles therefore, I take back the shut up and the hateful tone because I’m all abotu Seminole Nation, however, I still stick with my thoughts on the matter.
I’ve never done a cycle nor had my test levels checked, I still know quite a bit about steroids as I read about them. Its ok to be informed whether you use them or not. I Certainly dont know as much about them as the other guys in the steroid forum.
Its misguided to assume that because I read or learn about steroids/PHs that I use them, follow my thread…I’m sure you’ll be convinced I dont.
My T-levels are still through the roof so I think I got overzealous! I am trying to bring them down and learn as much as I can on the forum, I am going to read for a while before I post again.
When I made my post you had put this in the steroids section and thus it seemed like a “Don’t use drugs, I’m smarter than you” type attitude. Being in the supplements section brings a whole different tone to it. I believe you also had a different title that caught my eye with the same attitude but I could be wrong.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Just shut up, you obviously dont know anything about steroids so we dont need your advice on why or why not to take them…everybody’s got a bad back pal, my guesses are if you learned to do those lifts correctly you’d probably cure your back problems.
You restated your bench, great you have a big strong chest and a puny week back, congratulations if your satisfied. Again, nobody cares. [/quote]
Damn, that was a little harsh for no apparent reason.
OP, that is awfully unusual to get such a spike from a natural T-Booster. I know some companies have in the past spiked there seemingly legit natural products with pro-hormones androgens. Could be that or you are just a freaky high responder to these type of products.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
Just shut up, you obviously dont know anything about steroids so we dont need your advice on why or why not to take them…everybody’s got a bad back pal, my guesses are if you learned to do those lifts correctly you’d probably cure your back problems.
You restated your bench, great you have a big strong chest and a puny week back, congratulations if your satisfied. Again, nobody cares.
Damn, that was a little harsh for no apparent reason.
OP, that is awfully unusual to get such a spike from a natural T-Booster. I know some companies have in the past spiked there seemingly legit natural products with pro-hormones androgens. Could be that or you are just a freaky high responder to these type of products.
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I seriously doubt someone is at risk of taking an OTC supplement and ending up with test levels so high they are actively trying to bring the levels back down.
Some companies do engage in random batch spiking to build up a clientèle and people then rebuy and wonder why they aren’t getting the same effect. Google batch spiking you can probably find some good reads…
Yes my response was harsh, and we made up…partly because he is a nole too.
Partly because I have an overactive temper right now (V-Diet can make you have those days)
Anyway…yeh nole fever is awesome, I’ve been a nole fan all my life…going here is icing on the cake.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
Just shut up, you obviously dont know anything about steroids so we dont need your advice on why or why not to take them…everybody’s got a bad back pal, my guesses are if you learned to do those lifts correctly you’d probably cure your back problems.
You restated your bench, great you have a big strong chest and a puny week back, congratulations if your satisfied. Again, nobody cares.
Damn, that was a little harsh for no apparent reason.
OP, that is awfully unusual to get such a spike from a natural T-Booster. I know some companies have in the past spiked there seemingly legit natural products with pro-hormones androgens. Could be that or you are just a freaky high responder to these type of products.
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I seriously doubt someone is at risk of taking an OTC supplement and ending up with test levels so high they are actively trying to bring the levels back down.
This thread is ree-donk-you-luss.[/quote]
Yes, I have to agree. That is outlandishly high for that type of product.
[quote]Greek Tarzan wrote:
I have come off the novedex for a while to bring my levels down, as have blown my temper a few times in the last month(not good). I plan on getting tested again next month.