'Swiftboating' Palin?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Something you guys may be forgetting;

The Forum became (for about 9 months to a year or more) essentially a Religious Forum and people trying to “bring people to Jesus” and/or posting the history of their beliefs.

That’s when I left, because any true Political debate had trickled to almost “zero”.

I don’t know if there was active intervention or not; but it did get back to more Political Debate, which is great.

MrR also brings up an important point; most Political Forums will have a HUGE slant, with people essentially agreeing with each other. In that kind of atmosphere, you learn nothing. While this Forum has a definite Conservative/Right slant to it, we still have some fairly good debates.

And Lixy?

You guys BETTER be happy he is here.

While he admits his European/African/Muslim slant on things, I think that you are always better off seeing how others see the World.

If that doesn’t matter to you, then you truly do have blinders on.

Let’s hope Lixy never leaves.

Mufasa

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I like to hear both sides to any issue, which is part of the reason I read this forum at all. It just gets frustrating when the ‘debate’ devolves into petty name calling.

The older I get, the less black and white issues become. I’ll never understand why someone wouldn’t want to hear the opposing view unless they are somehow afraid that they will be unable to defend their beliefs.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

MrR also brings up an important point; most Political Forums will have a HUGE slant, with people essentially agreeing with each other. In that kind of atmosphere, you learn nothing.

While this Forum has a definite Conservative/Right slant to it, we still have some fairly good debates.

And Lixy?

You guys BETTER be happy he is here.

While he admits his European/African/Muslim slant on things, I think that you are always better off seeing how others see the World.

If that doesn’t matter to you, then you truly do have blinders on.

Let’s hope Lixy never leaves.

Mufasa

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To some point I agree with you. I remember being able to read this forum waaaay back when I pretty much exclusively lurked and not want to bash my head or other people’s heads against a wall.

I would agree that this board has a somewhat conservative bent to it. I would also posit that most of the ‘libs’ get bashed because they sound much more shrill than some of the conservatives (not all by any means, mind you)–look at MISCONCEPTION’s thread–the OP was nothing but a crazy lunatic shouting.

As for lixy, he’s more interesting when he stays on topic. Regardless of his bias, he occassionally makes some interesting points, and adds color to a lot of the threads.

However, any time he mentions Iraq or tangentially references our military action or troops there, or implies something about it, I want to bash him in the head with something heavy. Very heavy.

I’m sick of hearing about it-- because 99 times out of 100 he’s bringing it into a thread on some other topic. It’s like a broken record. I know how he feels about it. I’ve heard it at least 1297 times already, I don’t. need. to. hear. it. again.

Unless it’s in a thread about the military or action taken–that I can handle. But that’s why I ignore those threads.

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[quote]Christine wrote:

… I’ll never understand why someone wouldn’t want to hear the opposing view unless they are somehow afraid that they will be unable to defend their beliefs.[/quote]

True. Except when it’s harped on like a broken record in threads completely or even mostly unrelated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again…

I get sick to no end of that and it’s completely unproductive to the topic at hand except to draw the battle lines and get people to start slinging epithets back.

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[quote]MrRezister wrote:
I appreciate the clarification, but the part I wasn’t sure I could agree with was when you said "Gals are generally not fond of conservative views. "

To be fair, I haven’t seen a thorough breakdown of how many women vs. men vote one way or another, but I think that you might find there are really quite a few conservative women out there.

There does seem to be some sort of stigma about women who vote republican must be religious wingnuts etc, but that has not been my experience. Percentage wise, women may be more likely to vote Democrat than Republican, I just don’t know if there’s a wide enough gap to be able to generalize.[/quote]

Well, in 2000 the gap was in the double digits. During the last election, 51 percent of women voted for John Kerry, while 44 percent of men favored the Democratic candidate. Conversely, men preferred George W. Bush by 55 to 48.

That women are less conservative than men is a universally accepted observation. I don’t think how genders vote in a two-party system illustrates it well. Say what you will, but the differences appear to be largely cosmetic.

The two candidates keep hammering how they’re different and will bring "change"™ but the truth is, they’re comfortable in their duopoly and wouldn’t risk it disturbing it for anything. But I digress…

Yeah, I tend to forget the bunch that don’t bother showing up.

[quote]As for the poll you posted, I have to admit that I have little to no confidence in those numbers whatsoever. First, the sample size was only 800 women.

Second, the poll was conducted on behalf of a pro-Abortion website. I’m not a big fan of attacking the messenger, but I’d have to say that there is a strong possibility of those results being seriously biased. [/quote]

They actually concord with everything else that I’ve seen.

But I understand your skepticism. Forget I posted that.

[quote]Again, I don’t know the actual breakdown of who votes for whom, so I could absolutely be wrong on this. Suffice to say, I will be very interested to see where the female vote goes in November.

Then again, I don’t know if we’ll ever get accurate numbers on that, either - exit polling seems to be only slightly more reliable than national polling. [/quote]

Picking Palin was a genial move and it is undeniably helping McCain. But I just don’t see the majority of women voting for the GOP candidate. Not gonna happen!

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Yep…

I think Lixy could work Iraq into the “Ass Worship” thread!

(Just kidding, Lix! Keep us Imperialistic Warmongers on our toes!)

Mufasa

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Heliotrope wrote:
Her religious bent is enough for me to be turned off.

Anyone that preaches at a church with an onward christian soldiers message should be an instant political red flag but alas in the bizarre world of American politics this is an asset instead of a liability.

Too true…

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1150170,gay090708.article

I really lol’d at this.[/quote]

Deluded dreams of wishful thinking altering the fabric of human nature is one of my favorite lunacies of the religious herd.

Alas if we survive long enough one day we will enter a world where the fundamentalist religious level of human consciousness fades into the background of minority just as all the levels that preceded it have.

Of course surviving the jihad and the crusade and the final battles of these primitive armageddonist is no guarantee.

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[quote]Christine wrote:
I like to hear both sides to any issue, which is part of the reason I read this forum at all. It just gets frustrating when the ‘debate’ devolves into petty name calling.

The older I get, the less black and white issues become. I’ll never understand why someone wouldn’t want to hear the opposing view unless they are somehow afraid that they will be unable to defend their beliefs.[/quote]

I think this is the biggest problem with the forum. People here actually pride themselves on incivility. Name calling and personal attacks are almost immediate upon hearing any point that is not perfectly in line with the beliefs of a few on here.

Extreme (almost always) right wing views are the norm, this really isn’t a problem though. It’s the attacks that come almost immediately that are troubling. That and the debating tactics that are used in lieu of honest arguments. I hope the people start calling others on incivility and name calling and this forum can be a place for honest debate.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Christine wrote:
It’s a right-wing circle jerk over here.

At times, I find it fascinating.

This forum used to be a lot better.

There is no way debate can take place here when it seems to simply be some strange congregation of like minded conservatives. I am not sure what Lixy gets out of posting here at all.

People actually used to read this forum like the others.

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I noticed that too. It’s why I began posting here again, too.

And everyone here knows that I can curse and demean motherfuckers with the best of them.

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Christine wrote:
I like to hear both sides to any issue, which is part of the reason I read this forum at all. It just gets frustrating when the ‘debate’ devolves into petty name calling.

The older I get, the less black and white issues become. I’ll never understand why someone wouldn’t want to hear the opposing view unless they are somehow afraid that they will be unable to defend their beliefs.

I think this is the biggest problem with the forum. People here actually pride themselves on incivility. Name calling and personal attacks are almost immediate upon hearing any point that is not perfectly in line with the beliefs of a few on here.

Extreme (almost always) right wing views are the norm, this really isn’t a problem though. It’s the attacks that come almost immediately that are troubling. That and the debating tactics that are used in lieu of honest arguments.

I hope the people start calling others on incivility and name calling and this forum can be a place for honest debate.

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By the way, I like the incivility. It’s part of the fun.

If I want to be polite and pandering about politics I’ll talk to my boss.

If I want to call someone a flaming fucking jerkoff because they think ugly ass Palin is going to be a good VP, I actually get to do it here.

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I do think sometimes folks are a little mean to the Marxist posters here.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

By the way, I like the incivility. It’s part of the fun.

If I want to be polite and pandering about politics I’ll talk to my boss.

If I want to call someone a flaming fucking jerkoff because they think ugly ass Palin is going to be a good VP, I actually get to do it here.[/quote]

Bullshit - you’d hit it. You know you would. You may not tell anyone, but you’d hit it.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

By the way, I like the incivility. It’s part of the fun.

If I want to be polite and pandering about politics I’ll talk to my boss.

If I want to call someone a flaming fucking jerkoff because they think ugly ass Palin is going to be a good VP, I actually get to do it here.

Bullshit - you’d hit it. You know you would. You may not tell anyone, but you’d hit it. [/quote]

With a Mack truck.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

By the way, I like the incivility. It’s part of the fun.

If I want to be polite and pandering about politics I’ll talk to my boss.

If I want to call someone a flaming fucking jerkoff because they think ugly ass Palin is going to be a good VP, I actually get to do it here.

Bullshit - you’d hit it. You know you would. You may not tell anyone, but you’d hit it.

With a Mack truck. [/quote]

What if she took off the ugly ass glasses?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

By the way, I like the incivility. It’s part of the fun.

If I want to be polite and pandering about politics I’ll talk to my boss.

If I want to call someone a flaming fucking jerkoff because they think ugly ass Palin is going to be a good VP, I actually get to do it here.

Bullshit - you’d hit it. You know you would. You may not tell anyone, but you’d hit it.

With a Mack truck. [/quote]

Careful. That kind of violent talk may upset Gambit. He’s not one for confrontation, or incivility. Wait - that’s only if I use it. Never mind.

I don’t understand why some folks want us to wear a fucking skirt down here, and act like we are sitting in Sunday School. I talk to people in here just like I would talk to them in a bar. In fact, I would probably be the guy buying rounds for everyone at my table just to keep the conversation lively.

I guess some people take shit way too seriously. When that happens to me - I get the fuck out of the forum - I don’t throw a titty fit.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

By the way, I like the incivility. It’s part of the fun.

If I want to be polite and pandering about politics I’ll talk to my boss.

If I want to call someone a flaming fucking jerkoff because they think ugly ass Palin is going to be a good VP, I actually get to do it here.

Bullshit - you’d hit it. You know you would. You may not tell anyone, but you’d hit it.

With a Mack truck.

Careful. That kind of violent talk may upset Gambit. He’s not one for confrontation, or incivility. Wait - that’s only if I use it. Never mind.

I don’t understand why some folks want us to wear a fucking skirt down here, and act like we are sitting in Sunday School. I talk to people in here just like I would talk to them in a bar. In fact, I would probably be the guy buying rounds for everyone at my table just to keep the conversation lively.

I guess some people take shit way too seriously. When that happens to me - I get the fuck out of the forum - I don’t throw a titty fit.

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I agree amigo.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
I seriously think that women will get the McCain/Palin ticket “over the hump”.

That was the plan all along. And if you look at the McCain’s campaign reaction to Obama’s “lipstick on a pig”, it should be obvious that they’re willing to milk the women’s vote as much as possible.

Question is though, can women look past her stance on “choice”. Gals are generally not fond of conservative views.[/quote]

Good point, I think they can. I’ve heard opinions by people that worked on the Hillary Campaign and Hillary supporters state that they are seeing the same type of methods or talk that they heard Obama’s campaign use against Hillary when they were still battling it out.

I think the issue is amusing because it seems like this presidential election is Palin vs Obama when it isn’t. Last I checked Palin was the VP ticket.