'Swiftboating' Palin?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]lixy wrote:

Question is though, can women look past her stance on “choice”. Gals are generally not fond of conservative views.[/quote]

I don’t know if I can agree with that. In my experience the whole “Pro-Life = Anti-Woman” paradigm is pretty much exclusive to the Far Left. There are probably a lot more women who are Pro-Life than you might think, and not just the radical Christian types, either.

That said, I think the Dems will have to be more careful about their choice of words when attacking Palin, because there are a LOT (way too many, imo) on the right who are willing to play the “victim” card on her behalf. It kind of made me sick to hear Limbaugh going on and on and ON about the lipstick thing, it’s not even that big a deal. I think the Dems would be wise to look at what Palin has actually DONE, and just put it out there. Stop letting the media types get away with attacking her family or her religious beliefs, those attacks will pretty much ALWAYS backfire on them.

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[quote]Christine wrote:
It’s a right-wing circle jerk over here.

At times, I find it fascinating.

This forum used to be a lot better.[/quote]

There is no way debate can take place here when it seems to simply be some strange congregation of like minded conservatives. I am not sure what Lixy gets out of posting here at all.

People actually used to read this forum like the others.

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Her religious bent is enough for me to be turned off.

Anyone that preaches at a church with an onward christian soldiers message should be an instant political red flag but alas in the bizarre world of American politics this is an asset instead of a liability.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Christine wrote:
It’s a right-wing circle jerk over here.

At times, I find it fascinating.

This forum used to be a lot better.

There is no way debate can take place here when it seems to simply be some strange congregation of like minded conservatives. I am not sure what Lixy gets out of posting here at all.

People actually used to read this forum like the others.

[/quote]

I only read this forum when I want to get a reading of the right wing opinion of an issue.

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Sound the Alarm! It’s a LEFTY INVASION!!!

J/K, it is pretty one-sided over here, but frankly it is getting harder every day to find a political discussion board that is NOT that way. I hang out on some “almost exclusively liberal” boards like Penny Arcade, and some “almost exclusively conservative” boards like this one and some RKBA type stuff.

It’s the same on both sides, a bunch of people echoing each other’s opinions, with one or two vocal protestors. Finding any board with a more or less equal split is pretty tough.

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[quote]MrRezister wrote:
Sound the Alarm! It’s a LEFTY INVASION!!!

J/K, it is pretty one-sided over here, but frankly it is getting harder every day to find a political discussion board that is NOT that way. I hang out on some “almost exclusively liberal” boards like Penny Arcade, and some “almost exclusively conservative” boards like this one and some RKBA type stuff. It’s the same on both sides, a bunch of people echoing each other’s opinions, with one or two vocal protestors. Finding any board with a more or less equal split is pretty tough.[/quote]

I don’t claim conservative or liberal. This board used to have a decent mix of ideas. It has gone WAY down hill since a few certain posters showed up. Mick28 is about the worst thing that could have happened to this forum along with some of Headhunter’s earlier threads.

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[quote]MrRezister wrote:
I don’t know if I can agree with that.[/quote]

That was a question (and yes, I forgot the appropriate punctuation mark). So I don’t see why you say that you can’t “agree with that”.

And that may be the case. I have a European/African bias on the issue, and what we call center here, you might perceive as “Far Left”. But then again, feminism itself is mostly a leftist movement.

So, what type of women would get drawn to the McCain ticket because of gender? That’s right: Feminists! How many of them consider their rights to abortion as a central issue on which there is no compromise? That’s right: Most of them (probably the crushing majority)!

There was this poll a few weeks ago that might shed some light on this.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/female_voters_n.html

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Christine wrote:
It’s a right-wing circle jerk over here.

At times, I find it fascinating.

This forum used to be a lot better.

There is no way debate can take place here when it seems to simply be some strange congregation of like minded conservatives. I am not sure what Lixy gets out of posting here at all.

People actually used to read this forum like the others.

[/quote]

Bullshit. This place is just as full of militant lefties.

And it has been tha way since I joined the site.

I have no clue where you purchase your blinders, but they work like a charm.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Christine wrote:
It’s a right-wing circle jerk over here.

At times, I find it fascinating.

This forum used to be a lot better.

There is no way debate can take place here when it seems to simply be some strange congregation of like minded conservatives. I am not sure what Lixy gets out of posting here at all.

People actually used to read this forum like the others.

Bullshit. This place is just as full of militant lefties.

And it has been tha way since I joined the site.

I have no clue where you purchase your blinders, but they work like a charm.

[/quote]

Aside from Fighting Irish and maybe one other, I must not be seeing them. Also, I am not talking about “lefties”. You already know my stance on these labels to begin with. My focus is on anyone with a differing opinion than what seems to pass for McCain supporters lately. I don’t see them getting a word in much at all what with SEVERAL threads about Obama and any negative issue that can arise.

Please find me even 5 threads pointing out negatives about McCain here.

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[quote]ajcook99 wrote:
I think the real danger if there is one for her is that she hasn’t been vetted on a national stage yet. I don’t think anyone that identifies with her and uses that as a reason to vote for that ticket will be affected either way regardless of what comes out.

But the more that the Republican party leans on her and bills her as a true bulldog and a true reformer, the more scrutiny every little flip-flop and every little earmark will come under scrutiny.

If I were a republican, I would look at her as the less we know about her the better. Every politician is going to have a record that can be distorted so don’t oversell her and give the other party an opportunity to talk about the other side of that billing.

[/quote]

I generally agree with this. As for Mufasa’s post, I don’t think there’s time nor particularly a need for a true swift boat attack. There seems to be enough dirt on her already to last for the next two months assuming it gets out soon enough and the focus doesn’t remain fixed on matters like her daughter. There’s the “trooper gate” (didn’t Clinton have one of those?), the earmark issues and who knows what else. In this short of a time frame the primary concern for each campaign is not what is actually there, but how the media’s focus can be shaped and directed. If the Republican’s can keep the media narrative as one of “personal attacks” on Palin, then they will succeed in keeping her more relevant short comings off the table. The democrats need to do the opposite, but so far they’re floundering.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Christine wrote:
It’s a right-wing circle jerk over here.

At times, I find it fascinating.

This forum used to be a lot better.

There is no way debate can take place here when it seems to simply be some strange congregation of like minded conservatives. I am not sure what Lixy gets out of posting here at all.

People actually used to read this forum like the others.

Bullshit. This place is just as full of militant lefties.

And it has been tha way since I joined the site.

I have no clue where you purchase your blinders, but they work like a charm.

[/quote]

LOL… Really, I did laugh when I read that!

I think that you’re the one with the blinders, darlin.

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[quote]Heliotrope wrote:
Her religious bent is enough for me to be turned off.

Anyone that preaches at a church with an onward christian soldiers message should be an instant political red flag but alas in the bizarre world of American politics this is an asset instead of a liability.[/quote]

Too true…

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1150170,gay090708.article

I really lol’d at this.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Christine wrote:
It’s a right-wing circle jerk over here.

At times, I find it fascinating.

This forum used to be a lot better.

There is no way debate can take place here when it seems to simply be some strange congregation of like minded conservatives. I am not sure what Lixy gets out of posting here at all.

People actually used to read this forum like the others.

Bullshit. This place is just as full of militant lefties.

And it has been tha way since I joined the site.

I have no clue where you purchase your blinders, but they work like a charm.

Aside from Fighting Irish and maybe one other, I must not be seeing them. Also, I am not talking about “lefties”. You already know my stance on these labels to begin with. My focus is on anyone with a differing opinion than what seems to pass for McCain supporters lately. I don’t see them getting a word in much at all what with SEVERAL threads about Obama and any negative issue that can arise.

Please find me even 5 threads pointing out negatives about McCain here.[/quote]

You have a stance on labels, yet call us “conservatives”. I’ll let you clarify that, because evidently your feelings on labels are not that important to you when you are the one using them.

So you are upset about the absence of anti-McCain threads? How in the hell is that the fault of the conservatives? Talk to the anti-McCain folks about starting some threads.

I will be glad, however, to find several liberal threads.

But all you need to do is look through the threads to find plenty of anti-McCain sentiment.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Christine wrote:
It’s a right-wing circle jerk over here.

At times, I find it fascinating.

This forum used to be a lot better.

There is no way debate can take place here when it seems to simply be some strange congregation of like minded conservatives. I am not sure what Lixy gets out of posting here at all.

People actually used to read this forum like the others.

Bullshit. This place is just as full of militant lefties.

And it has been tha way since I joined the site.

I have no clue where you purchase your blinders, but they work like a charm.

Aside from Fighting Irish and maybe one other, I must not be seeing them. Also, I am not talking about “lefties”. You already know my stance on these labels to begin with. My focus is on anyone with a differing opinion than what seems to pass for McCain supporters lately. I don’t see them getting a word in much at all what with SEVERAL threads about Obama and any negative issue that can arise.

Please find me even 5 threads pointing out negatives about McCain here.

You have a stance on labels, yet call us “conservatives”. I’ll let you clarify that, because evidently your feelings on labels are not that important to you when you are the one using them.

So you are upset about the absence of anti-McCain threads? How in the hell is that the fault of the conservatives? Talk to the anti-McCain folks about starting some threads.

I will be glad, however, to find several liberal threads.

But all you need to do is look through the threads to find plenty of anti-McCain sentiment.

[/quote]

What? Please, try harder. I call you conservatives because you call YOURSELVES conservatives. I do not call myself either a liberal or a conservative yet I get labeled as a liberal if I dare disagree with any opinion held by the majority on this board. That makes the problem with “labels” your own.

There is an absence of any attempt to point out negatives in McCain’s camp because this board is literally saturated with people claiming to be conservatives…no matter how weak minded a few of them seem to be.

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[quote]Christine wrote:

LOL… Really, I did laugh when I read that!

I think that you’re the one with the blinders, darlin.

[/quote]

Sorry, my eyes are wide open.

I think it is hilarious that the liberals think they are the only ones capable of clear vision.

If you want more of a liberal voice in here - chime in.

Don’t get upset because the conservatives are more motivated to talk about shit than the left.

There’s is a First Amendment - and you are more than free to exercise it. Just don’t get all upset when those that disagree with you exercise theirs.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Christine wrote:

LOL… Really, I did laugh when I read that!

I think that you’re the one with the blinders, darlin.

Sorry, my eyes are wide open.

I think it is hilarious that the liberals think they are the only ones capable of clear vision.

If you want more of a liberal voice in here - chime in.

Don’t get upset because the conservatives are more motivated to talk about shit than the left.

There’s is a First Amendment - and you are more than free to exercise it. Just don’t get all upset when those that disagree with you exercise theirs. [/quote]

I’m not upset. I actually find some of the posters amusing.

I’m just pointing out that there are more posters here with a conservative viewpoint.

I don’t give a shit if you disagree with me or not.

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[quote]
MrRezister wrote:
I don’t know if I can agree with that.

lixy wrote:
That was a question (and yes, I forgot the appropriate punctuation mark). So I don’t see why you say that you can’t “agree with that”.[/quote]

I appreciate the clarification, but the part I wasn’t sure I could agree with was when you said [quote]"Gals are generally not fond of conservative views. "[/quote]

To be fair, I haven’t seen a thorough breakdown of how many women vs. men vote one way or another, but I think that you might find there are really quite a few conservative women out there. There does seem to be some sort of stigma about women who vote republican must be religious wingnuts etc, but that has not been my experience. Percentage wise, women may be more likely to vote Democrat than Republican, I just don’t know if there’s a wide enough gap to be able to generalize.

[quote]lixy wrote:
So, what type of women would get drawn to the McCain ticket because of gender? That’s right: Feminists! How many of them consider their rights to abortion as a central issue on which there is no compromise? That’s right: Most of them (probably the crushing majority)!

There was this poll a few weeks ago that might shed some light on this.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/09/female_voters_n.html[/quote]

Good point, I’m not expecting a majority (or even a lot) of the Hillary supporters to jump ship unless they are just horribly offended that Hillary didn’t win. There are a few of those, they have been on TV. The Palin pick is more likely to get the attention of women who have conservative views, but were unlikely to vote at all prior to the VP announcement.

As for the poll you posted, I have to admit that I have little to no confidence in those numbers whatsoever. First, the sample size was only 800 women. Second, the poll was conducted on behalf of a pro-Abortion website. I’m not a big fan of attacking the messenger, but I’d have to say that there is a strong possibility of those results being seriously biased. Again, I don’t know the actual breakdown of who votes for whom, so I could absolutely be wrong on this. Suffice to say, I will be very interested to see where the female vote goes in November. Then again, I don’t know if we’ll ever get accurate numbers on that, either - exit polling seems to be only slightly more reliable than national polling.

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Something you guys may be forgetting;

The Forum became (for about 9 months to a year or more) essentially a Religious Forum and people trying to “bring people to Jesus” and/or posting the history of their beliefs.

That’s when I left, because any true Political debate had trickled to almost “zero”.

I don’t know if there was active intervention or not; but it did get back to more Political Debate, which is great.

MrR also brings up an important point; most Political Forums will have a HUGE slant, with people essentially agreeing with each other. In that kind of atmosphere, you learn nothing. While this Forum has a definite Conservative/Right slant to it, we still have some fairly good debates.

And Lixy?

You guys BETTER be happy he is here.

While he admits his European/African/Muslim slant on things, I think that you are always better off seeing how others see the World.

If that doesn’t matter to you, then you truly do have blinders on.

Let’s hope Lixy never leaves.

Mufasa

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Christine wrote:
It’s a right-wing circle jerk over here.

At times, I find it fascinating.

This forum used to be a lot better.

There is no way debate can take place here when it seems to simply be some strange congregation of like minded conservatives. I am not sure what Lixy gets out of posting here at all.

People actually used to read this forum like the others.

Bullshit. This place is just as full of militant lefties.

And it has been tha way since I joined the site.

I have no clue where you purchase your blinders, but they work like a charm.

Aside from Fighting Irish and maybe one other, I must not be seeing them. Also, I am not talking about “lefties”. You already know my stance on these labels to begin with. My focus is on anyone with a differing opinion than what seems to pass for McCain supporters lately. I don’t see them getting a word in much at all what with SEVERAL threads about Obama and any negative issue that can arise.

Please find me even 5 threads pointing out negatives about McCain here.

You have a stance on labels, yet call us “conservatives”. I’ll let you clarify that, because evidently your feelings on labels are not that important to you when you are the one using them.

So you are upset about the absence of anti-McCain threads? How in the hell is that the fault of the conservatives? Talk to the anti-McCain folks about starting some threads.

I will be glad, however, to find several liberal threads.

But all you need to do is look through the threads to find plenty of anti-McCain sentiment.

What? Please, try harder. I call you conservatives because you call YOURSELVES conservatives. I do not call myself either a liberal or a conservative yet I get labeled as a liberal if I dare disagree with any opinion held by the majority on this board. That makes the problem with “labels” your own.

There is an absence of any attempt to point out negatives in McCain’s camp because this board is literally saturated with people claiming to be conservatives…no matter how weak minded a few of them seem to be.[/quote]

And I didn’t call you a lefty, or a liberal. The opposite of conservative is liberal - lefty for short.

If you are railing against the conservatives taking over the political forum - any logical person would conclude that you are talking about the opposite of conservative being in the minority.

People who pride themselves as being in the middle are the boring ones who no one will read in the first place.

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[quote]Christine wrote:
I’m not upset. I actually find some of the posters amusing.

I’m just pointing out that there are more posters here with a conservative viewpoint.

I don’t give a shit if you disagree with me or not. [/quote]

It ebbs and flows. There are times when you can’t swing a dead cat down here without hitting a left-wing Bush hating liberal.

Kinda like our political climate in the real world. The republicans are energized, and highly motivated. The democrats? Well - they don’t have much to toot their horns about right now.

Give it time. It’ll come back around.