[quote]Alffi wrote:
It’s funny how leftist types are about the little man and the ‘people’ but will call them “uneducated hillbillies” (no college indoctrination) if they happen to disagree. [/quote]
I don’t see what you mean. The little man, if oppressed, need to be defended. The same applies for the ‘people’ if they are tyrannized.
A hillbilly is just an image to symbolize non-cosmopolitan backwards-thinking nationalist xenophobes. I don’t see any contradiction.
[quote]kamui wrote:
13% of the swedish population were born aboard.
that being said, most of them come from other scandinavian countries like Finland, Norway, Denmark or other North European Country like Poland.
there is people from former yougoslavia, Irak, Iran and Lebanon but they are less than 200 000 total.
which means that a good part of the voters of this populist party, especially those from rural areas have never seen a middle easterner or an african in their whole existence.
and a good part of these people who just want to preserve their endangered identity are nothing more than postmodern teenagers who fantasize about their “viking” past, and who happened to be 18 and able to vote.
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The largest non Swedish ethnic group is Finns who are concentrated along the border with Finland. Counting 1st 2nd and 3rd generation there are 500,000 Finns which is %5 of the population. On the other hand there are 100,000 Lebanese concentrated in Stockholm and Malmo.
Thirty eight percent of Malmo which is the third largest city are non Swedes. Twenty five percent of Malmo is Muslim.
A lot of Swedes travel outside of Sweden to other parts of Europe to places like London, Paris, the south of France, Spain. Swedes aren’t backwards hillbillies. I think what would be a more accurate description is that they are worldly and well traveled enough to have seen what liberals have done to other parts of Europe with mass immigration. So now that they see it happening in their homeland they are already aware of where the trend is going and are reacting to it.
The grim fact here is that both Lixy and Sifu have valid points. Kamui, I’ve read some good posts by you, but you need to learn more about Sweden, I’m afraid…
Sifu: Yes, these are real issues, although your video gives the impression that all of Malmo is more or less a war zone. I suspect you know that this is sensantionalistic/selective journalism.
It reflects very real issues that need to be taken seriously, though, and so far only the SD seem to really do that in Sweden, sadly.
Even so, it’s a matter of which road one wants to go down here…
[quote]Carl_ wrote:
The grim fact here is that both Lixy and Sifu have valid points. Kamui, I’ve read some good posts by you, but you need to learn more about Sweden, I’m afraid…
Sifu: Yes, these are real issues, although your video gives the impression that all of Malmo is more or less a war zone. I suspect you know that this is sensantionalistic/selective journalism.
It reflects very real issue that needs to be taken seriously, though, and so far only the SD seem to really do that in Sweden, sadly.
Even so, it’s a matter of which road one wants to go down here…[/quote]
What has happened in Sweden is a symptom of something that has been going on in Europe for some time. Many of the major parties have been infiltrated by or taken over by Marxists and communists who are using mass immigration as a means to fundamentally change Europe.
What I have observed is it is only parties that have a controversial history like the SD who can be trusted to do something serious about controlling immigration. The major parties will say reassuring things during election campaigns but when they get elected the attitude is enough of that bullshit back to business as usual.
What is happening in Europe is democracy is rapidly being dismantled. The primary purpose of the EU is to concentrate as much power as possible in as few hands as possible. Mass immigration helps in this process because they are flooding first world countries with immigrants from third world countries who aren’t coming from countries with long traditions of freedom, democracy or prosperity.
The vast majority of immigrants are economic migrants who are fleeing authoritarian governments or dictatorships even. These are people who are overjoyed to merely have a roof over their head and a regular supply of food on the table. Something like free health care they never imagined having in their wildest dreams. Even if Europe became like China they would be living better than they were back in the old country.
The people to blame are not the immigrants for wanting a better standard of living. Nor the SD for being what they are. The people to blame for what is happening are the people who are in power making policy.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]Carl_ wrote:
The grim fact here is that both Lixy and Sifu have valid points. Kamui, I’ve read some good posts by you, but you need to learn more about Sweden, I’m afraid…
Sifu: Yes, these are real issues, although your video gives the impression that all of Malmo is more or less a war zone. I suspect you know that this is sensantionalistic/selective journalism.
It reflects very real issue that needs to be taken seriously, though, and so far only the SD seem to really do that in Sweden, sadly.
Even so, it’s a matter of which road one wants to go down here…[/quote]
What has happened in Sweden is a symptom of something that has been going on in Europe for some time. Many of the major parties have been infiltrated by or taken over by Marxists and communists who are using mass immigration as a means to fundamentally change Europe.
What I have observed is it is only parties that have a controversial history like the SD who can be trusted to do something serious about controlling immigration. [/quote]
Exactly. If the major parties trade their souls for short term power gains, the people will react to that by gradually leaving the main parties behind.
One can only hope that that the decent countries can save themselves before prayer rugs become state-mandated items of purchase.
So the Haaretz cries Antisemitism?
That’s a first, right?
Saw Investors Business Daily this morning has a good article on Swedish politics, immigration, and the problems with their cradle to grave social system.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/548459/201009241901/Swedish-Message.htm
[quote]lixy wrote:
When this thread started the first thought I had was this will bring the Grand Mufti of Stockholm out from underneath his rock. On the one hand I am not the least bit surprised that you would dig up some guilt trip bullshit like this. On the other hand I am surprised you would turn to the “Zionist Entity” or was it “Little Satan” for your support. Necessity does indeed make strange bedfellows.
I don’t see the Israelis bringing large numbers of muslims into their homeland. In fact it is quite the opposite. They see the identity of their homeland as something that needs to be protected by strictly controlling immigration and who can be considered eligible for citizenship.
Malmo is becoming like Gaza. Malmo is Swedens third largest city yet forty percent of the population wasn’t born in Sweden. As your article said “One in seven residents in this once homogenous Scandinavian country are today immigrants.” Unlike Britain this isn’t immigration that has taken place since the end of world war two. Sweden’s era of immigration only got started in the mid nineteen sixties and even then it was only a trickle. Mass immigration only started in the 1990’s which means that in less than a generation they have undergone massive demographic change concentrated in the southern part of the country in their major cities.
This is not a trend that the Swedes can continue and expect to remain the dominant culture in their ancestral homeland. Even without more immigrants they have already set the process in motion where they become the minority due to the simple fact that Swedish women do not have as many children as muslims.
Plus there are other factors that do not get represented by statistics such as average birthrates. Such as the age at which Swedish or other western women have their first baby and the age at which muslim women get started having theirs. If you factor that in their rate of regeneration is much higher than a raw number such as birthrates is going to indicate.
Also we need to bear in mind that the average birthrate for muslim women is the average for all of them. From the most liberal, westernized, women who only have one or two kids later in life to girls from fundamentalist families who are married off at twelve or thirteen and begin popping out multiple babies shortly after.
What Europe is up against in not only an increasing muslim population but one that is increasingly becoming fundamentalist.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Carl_ wrote:
Blut und Boden!!!
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If your self and your country don’t belong to you, then to whom do they belong?
Look, Islam is NOT a religion. Its simply an anti-west ideology disguised as one. The people of Sweden are beginning to realize this. Soon, they (and any country that wants to survive) will send Muslims back to their own little paradise, where they can shoot each other in the name of Allah.
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apparently neither of you know anything about rand. she despised all collectives, including country.[/quote]
I always wondered how free market capitalism squares with isolationist immigration policies…seems like hypocrisy to me.
hate-filled racist haters and ‘Nazis’ the whole lot of them…
“A far-right group’s election breakthrough has shattered Sweden’s reputation as a bastion of tolerance after years of being seemingly inoculated against the backlash on immigration seen elsewhere in Europe.”
what darn century do we live in when such primitives still pollute the world?
Quote:
Sweden has revealed the future direction of Europe, and not for the first time. For decades, Sweden led the way in defining the mixed model of free trade and social solidarity that became the European ideal. Not anymore. In the election this month Swedish voters joined their less successful EU neighbors in turning their backs on traditional politics, in which the pendulum swung between parties advocating more free trade and parties on the center left advocating more solidarityâ??but no further. Now even the solid Swedes have ushered in to Parliament a block of single-issue politicians obsessed with the perceived loss of national identity and angry about immigrants and other outsiders who supposedly threaten their Swedishness.
how can that be?
Its only out of hate filled racism and more hatred…its not like racists have some exclusive right
to an area that belongs to everybody else on the planet anyway and they are all more Swedish than the racist losers anyway.
“swedishness” is just a “social=construct” that has no basis in reality as every super-smart zhyd on this forum
and in the real world already knows and how spent centuries trying to educate you imbeciles…to little avail.
Likely some of you more primitive savages even pictured a stupid cliche
when you mange to comprehend the words Swede or Swedish
[those hideous blond kids with ugly blue eyes and nasty pale skin…yucky]
which only means you are racistantisemiteswhownattogassixmilionand36jews…
“Racism and xenophobia constitute a serious problem for society,” true itz!
because theres too many dumb whites living in a shameful past of oppressing other races and stealing their civilization creating talents.
ANY majority White society is just days away form wholesale slaughter of jewish babies!
What needs to happen is some badass Marines, non-white of course,
go to Sweden and kick some racist ass…its the best post-cycle therapy possible.
dont worry too much you lovers of diversity…the Light Upon Nations is gonna shine on Sweden as well
and fix all those bad things that have upset you so much and cut into your gear-buying time
Ð?идов Ñ?опÑ?и ногами и дÑ?Ñ?ами!
[quote]Karl Lueger wrote:
hate-filled racist haters and ‘Nazis’ the whole lot of them…
“A far-right group’s election breakthrough has shattered Sweden’s reputation as a bastion of tolerance after years of being seemingly inoculated against the backlash on immigration seen elsewhere in Europe.”
what darn century do we live in when such primitives still pollute the world?
Quote:
Sweden has revealed the future direction of Europe, and not for the first time. For decades, Sweden led the way in defining the mixed model of free trade and social solidarity that became the European ideal. Not anymore. In the election this month Swedish voters joined their less successful EU neighbors in turning their backs on traditional politics, in which the pendulum swung between parties advocating more free trade and parties on the center left advocating more solidarityâ??but no further. Now even the solid Swedes have ushered in to Parliament a block of single-issue politicians obsessed with the perceived loss of national identity and angry about immigrants and other outsiders who supposedly threaten their Swedishness.
how can that be?
Its only out of hate filled racism and more hatred…its not like racists have some exclusive right
to an area that belongs to everybody else on the planet anyway and they are all more Swedish than the racist losers anyway.
“swedishness” is just a “social=construct” that has no basis in reality as every super-smart zhyd on this forum
and in the real world already knows and how spent centuries trying to educate you imbeciles…to little avail.
Likely some of you more primitive savages even pictured a stupid cliche
when you mange to comprehend the words Swede or Swedish
[those hideous blond kids with ugly blue eyes and nasty pale skin…yucky]
which only means you are racistantisemiteswhownattogassixmilionand36jews…
“Racism and xenophobia constitute a serious problem for society,” true itz!
because theres too many dumb whites living in a shameful past of oppressing other races and stealing their civilization creating talents.
ANY majority White society is just days away form wholesale slaughter of jewish babies!
What needs to happen is some badass Marines, non-white of course,
go to Sweden and kick some racist ass…its the best post-cycle therapy possible.
dont worry too much you lovers of diversity…the Light Upon Nations is gonna shine on Sweden as well
and fix all those bad things that have upset you so much and cut into your gear-buying time
�?�¸�´�¾�² �?�¾�¿�?�¸ �½�¾�³�°�¼�¸ �¸ �´�?�?�°�¼�¸!
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I also wonder what century we are living in when freedom of expression is illegal and people are arrested for committing sacrilege.
"Six men could face charges of inciting racial hatred after a video of them burning copies of the Koran on the anniversary of 9/ 11 was posted on YouTube.
The video shows the men â?? wearing tea towels around their heads â?? setting the Muslim holy book ablaze after dousing it with fuel behind a pub in Gateshead, Tyneside."
"Six days after it first appeared on YouTube, police were alerted to the video and arrested two men, aged 45 and 37, on suspicion of inciting racial hatred.
Four more men, aged 23, 31, 39 and 42, were arrested yesterday and questioned at Gateshead police station."
It is not a phobia when a people want their government to set some kind of criteria of who and how many people they let into their homeland. Sweden has been flooded with people who not only went straight onto welfare but who also despise the Swedes and their way of life.
Your video is risible. Who the hell is Barbara Spector to be lecturing people? Just because of what happened in the holocaust it does not mean that Jews have some special moral authority to be lecturing others on immigration. If anything what happened during the holocaust clearly shows what can happen to a people when they are dispossessed of their homeland and why they should be very careful with who they admit into their homeland.
Babara Spector needs to get her head out of her ass and face reality. Sweden and the rest of Europe are seeing increasing numbers of attacks on Jews because of all the muslim immigrants who hate Jews, not because Europeans aren’t used to being multicultural. Plus the attacks on Jews are only going to increase as the islamization of Europe advances.
The arrogance of that stupid cunt is astounding. She is an American Jew who thinks she has credibility to lecture Europeans about multiculturalism. Europe is “monolithic” because it is peopled by persons who have been on the same land for thousands of years. The fate of the American Indian is a prime example of what can happen to an indigenous people when outsiders flood into their homeland and turn it multicultural. Eventually the indigenous culture gets overwhelmed and marginalized. The fate of the Jews in the holocaust shows what happens to a people when they are stateless. That is why the Jews in Israel haven’t made all the Arabs in Gaza, Israeli citizens and given them a vote.
I have to hand it to you Karl you are more of a bone headed jackass than our resident jihadist Lixy, that is quite an acheivement.