[quote]conservativedog wrote: By the way the guy in blue jean short short’s is not gay he is European.
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Same difference.
At least five off-duty New York Police Department officers have admitted being present at the savage revenge beating last weekend on the Henry Hudson Parkway, according to reports.
Among the off duty cops were at least two detectives and three other officers, all who witnessed the attack and did little to stop it. One of the detectives, an undercover narcotics officer, watched as the violence broke out and chose not to break it up for fear of ruining his cover…
(Yeah it’s more important to the NYPD liberal a-hole chief of police that his man not blow his cover so he can catch someone with a bag of weed rather than actually save a citizens from getting his brains beat in)
The five officers were not the only ones present, WABC is reporting that the NYPD is investigating whether several off-duty corrections officers were also present. Police present for the violent attack did not begin coming forward until Wednesday - four days later.
He was not the only one to do so, as longtime partner of Edwin Mieses Jr, the man who was run over by the car, has hired famed defender Gloria Allred. (when you get media whore Gloria Allred you know she’s gonna squeeze the SUV family for their life’s savings. The only good thing about her is she loses a third of her case. She’s the male version of Al Sharpton)
[quote]xcintrik wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
WTF?
This has nothing to do with bowing down to people.
I would slow down for biker groups passing because I RESPECT THEM and look out for their safety. It would have nothing to do with bowing down to people or tyrannical majorities.
I look out for the safety of others.
Sorry if that offends you.[/quote]
The group have shown no respect to anyone else, yet they deserve respect? They have videos of breaking numerous laws time and time again, do you think they care about safety?[/quote]
You consider yourself judge, jury and executioner for someone else?
I said I look out for the safety of others.
I wasn’t aware I was supposed to make sure I judged them first like you obviously would.
If I see bikes passing, my thoughts to do not go towards seeing if they pissed anyone else off on the road first.
They go towards making sure none of them end up under my tires.
Once again, sorry of my standards offend you.
No one hired you to play court room on the street.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]xcintrik wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
WTF?
This has nothing to do with bowing down to people.
I would slow down for biker groups passing because I RESPECT THEM and look out for their safety. It would have nothing to do with bowing down to people or tyrannical majorities.
I look out for the safety of others.
Sorry if that offends you.[/quote]
The group have shown no respect to anyone else, yet they deserve respect? They have videos of breaking numerous laws time and time again, do you think they care about safety?[/quote]
You consider yourself judge, jury and executioner for someone else?
I said I look out for the safety of others.
I wasn’t aware I was supposed to make sure I judged them first like you obviously would.
If I see bikes passing, my thoughts to do not go towards seeing if they pissed anyone else off on the road first.
They go towards making sure none of them end up under my tires.
Once again, sorry of my standards offend you.
No one hired you to play court room on the street.[/quote]
Perhaps you should look at yourself as well then.
[quote]238 wrote:
[quote]cryogen wrote:
Very well aware that this is the case. However, running into someone from behind seems to be pretty uniformly frowned upon worldwide.[/quote]
I notice you didn’t answer my previous question. As others have stated, that doesn’t mean the person in the back is always at fault.
Running over pedestrians is also frowned upon, but if a guy jumps in front of your car as you’re driving along, guess who’s at fault?[/quote]
I’ve actually had the misfortune of hitting a pedestrian with my car. Luckily it wasn’t more than 10mph but still enough to hurt her at least superficially because she was hobbling granted at a pretty good pace. She ran off pretty quick though after I asked if she needed help and said no.
The cop that showed up actually told me 9/10 times when someone’s hit it’s the pedestrian’s fault for crossing at the wrong place or at the wrong time. I had a witness to verify that it was a wrong time kind of thing.
I still felt awful about it. Granted, I wasn’t in the wrong but if I were just a little less sleepy and tired I might’ve seen her before what happened happened. At worst, I screwed up her leg and at best I totally ruined her day and the next morning from the soreness.
Suspect Reginald Chance in court today.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Suspect Reginald Chance in court today.
A fine upstanding citizen a “victim” of the justice system out to get him. Oh wait…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Suspect Reginald Chance in court today.
[/quote]
More worried about this…[/quote]
I’m not, his condition is a result of his choices. Period.
Perhaps he shouldn’t have cornered a man and his family, and threatened him with violence. Perhaps he shouldn’t have been riding like an asshole, in the company of other lawless assholes. Perhaps they could’ve just exchanged information, called the cops, and been on their way. Lots of other options he could’ve chosen that day; he chose what he got.
No sympathy.
I once missed an exit off a highway because of a large group of riders. I don’t remember the specifics because it was ~10 years ago. This I can say is the bikers could see my turn signal, and several of them made gestures to me. To what extent can these bikers expect to remain in unbroken formation, especially if it is a large group?
looks like they planned to attack the wife as well
"where a bunch of bikers began pounding on it, with one of them trying to pull Lien?s wife, Rosalyn Ng, from the luxury SUV.
?She grabbed [hold of] something in there. He said, ?You?re gonna get it also.? She was protecting the baby,? Consuegra said of the couple?s 2-year-old daughter."
Just curious.
Had the driver of the SUV had a gun, would he have been justified in using it to defend himself ?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Just curious.
Had the driver of the SUV had a gun, would he have been justified in using it to defend himself ?[/quote]
The first issue would be if the gun were legally possessed which would be tough in NYC. If it were legally owned then I would say he would have been justified and since no charges have been filed against him it shows that he was in the right. The bikers were charged with assault among other things and I would think that deadly force under an assault of that type would be seen as justified.
Now, if the gun were not legally owned and/or legally carried I don’t know. I remember reading that in DC, when they passed very strict gun laws, that a DA said if someone used an illegally owned gun in a case of justifiable self-defense, he would not be charged with breaking a gun law. It makes for an interesting conundrum.
On the one hand it was OK to shoot, on the other, you shouldn’t have had the gun in the first place but, if you didn’t have it then you would have been the victim of a violent crime and maybe even dead. Maybe two wrongs can make a right.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Suspect Reginald Chance in court today.
[/quote]
More worried about this…[/quote]
But not this, of course:
Biker Robert Sims is arraigned at Manhattan Criminal Court on Saturday. He allegedly stomped on Lienâ??s head and body during the attack on Alexian Lien.
I mean, bikers are such oppressed victims, right?[/quote]
The guy in the photo is Edwin Mieses.
Is he being brought up on charges?
Because if not, he is a victim of getting run over…which sort of matters in how people respond later.
Just a topic for discussion…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Suspect Reginald Chance in court today.
[/quote]
More worried about this…[/quote]
But not this, of course:
Biker Robert Sims is arraigned at Manhattan Criminal Court on Saturday. He allegedly stomped on Lien�¢??s head and body during the attack on Alexian Lien.
I mean, bikers are such oppressed victims, right?[/quote]
The guy in the photo is Edwin Mieses.
Is he being brought up on charges?
Because if not, he is a victim of getting run over…which sort of matters in how people respond later.
Just a topic for discussion…[/quote]
Not really a victim of anything but his own stupidity. He put himself in front of that vehicle to hold it up while it was attacked by his fellow bikers. Might have should have seen it coming that the guy might run away when they started attacking his car. He thought the guy wouldn’t run over him to defend himself and he lost that bet.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Just curious.
Had the driver of the SUV had a gun, would he have been justified in using it to defend himself ?[/quote]
The first issue would be if the gun were legally possessed which would be tough in NYC. If it were legally owned then I would say he would have been justified and since no charges have been filed against him it shows that he was in the right. The bikers were charged with assault among other things and I would think that deadly force under an assault of that type would be seen as justified.
Now, if the gun were not legally owned and/or legally carried I don’t know. I remember reading that in DC, when they passed very strict gun laws, that a DA said if someone used an illegally owned gun in a case of justifiable self-defense, he would not be charged with breaking a gun law. It makes for an interesting conundrum.
On the one hand it was OK to shoot, on the other, you shouldn’t have had the gun in the first place but, if you didn’t have it then you would have been the victim of a violent crime and maybe even dead. Maybe two wrongs can make a right. [/quote]
It’s really a shame that in States like New York and California you do not legally have the right to defend yourself with a firearm within your privately owned vehicle. The only way if to fork over $400 and hope to get a concealed weapons permit. Good luck with that.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Suspect Reginald Chance in court today.
[/quote]
More worried about this…[/quote]
But not this, of course:
Biker Robert Sims is arraigned at Manhattan Criminal Court on Saturday. He allegedly stomped on Lien�?�¢??s head and body during the attack on Alexian Lien.
I mean, bikers are such oppressed victims, right?[/quote]
The guy in the photo is Edwin Mieses.
Is he being brought up on charges?
Because if not, he is a victim of getting run over…which sort of matters in how people respond later.
Just a topic for discussion…[/quote]
Not really a victim of anything but his own stupidity. He put himself in front of that vehicle to hold it up while it was attacked by his fellow bikers. Might have should have seen it coming that the guy might run away when they started attacking his car. He thought the guy wouldn’t run over him to defend himself and he lost that bet. [/quote]
He isn’t the one who drove in front of the suv.
He is simply one of the people the suv ran over.
Why accuse him of anything?
What did he personally do?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Suspect Reginald Chance in court today.
[/quote]
More worried about this…[/quote]
But not this, of course:
Biker Robert Sims is arraigned at Manhattan Criminal Court on Saturday. He allegedly stomped on Lien�??�?�¢??s head and body during the attack on Alexian Lien.
I mean, bikers are such oppressed victims, right?[/quote]
The guy in the photo is Edwin Mieses.
Is he being brought up on charges?
Because if not, he is a victim of getting run over…which sort of matters in how people respond later.
Just a topic for discussion…[/quote]
Not really a victim of anything but his own stupidity. He put himself in front of that vehicle to hold it up while it was attacked by his fellow bikers. Might have should have seen it coming that the guy might run away when they started attacking his car. He thought the guy wouldn’t run over him to defend himself and he lost that bet. [/quote]
He isn’t the one who drove in front of the suv.
He is simply one of the people the suv ran over.
Why accuse him of anything?
What did he personally do?[/quote]
He was feet away from an SUV that was getting pounded in and the tires slashed. It’s more likely he was there doing no good than simply an innocent bystander. Either way, to be that close to a vehicle getting beaten in without calling the cops or trying to get out of there was a dumb move on his part.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Suspect Reginald Chance in court today.
[/quote]
More worried about this…[/quote]
But not this, of course:
Biker Robert Sims is arraigned at Manhattan Criminal Court on Saturday. He allegedly stomped on Lien�??�?�¢??s head and body during the attack on Alexian Lien.
I mean, bikers are such oppressed victims, right?[/quote]
The guy in the photo is Edwin Mieses.
Is he being brought up on charges?
Because if not, he is a victim of getting run over…which sort of matters in how people respond later.
Just a topic for discussion…[/quote]
Not really a victim of anything but his own stupidity. He put himself in front of that vehicle to hold it up while it was attacked by his fellow bikers. Might have should have seen it coming that the guy might run away when they started attacking his car. He thought the guy wouldn’t run over him to defend himself and he lost that bet. [/quote]
He isn’t the one who drove in front of the suv.
He is simply one of the people the suv ran over.
Why accuse him of anything?
What did he personally do?[/quote]
To be ran over, where did he have to be?? In front of the SUV. Why was he in front of the SUV so close that he couldn’t move when he saw it take off. The most probable reason is, he’s a thug and was acting like thug.