The poetic justice is it was one of the bikers that filmed all this and got the SUV driver off the hook. If not for that video clearing the driver, he would be facing 20 years for attempted murder.
[quote]cryogen wrote:
The cops are on his side because they ride bikes, and are therefore guilty of whatever crime they wish to attribute to them. [/quote]
Huh? This is the most irrational statement you’ve made. And you’ve made a lot. Pretty sure you’re just out for an evening troll though.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Blows my mind that there’s people defending this lawless pack of feral bikers. I would’ve done the same thing as the SUV driver, except that I wouldn’t have stopped unless I was in front of a police station. My wife would’ve been on the phone with 911, and my weapon would be in my hand. I would’ve been scared as shit for the safety of my family, which means I’d be more than capable of killing in their defense. As soon as that window was busted, he would’ve been dead as disco.
There’s a shit ton of bikers in this world who are the most generous, kind, accepting, and helpful people you’d ever meet. BUT, there’s also a shit ton of assholes on two wheels who get kicks out of riding in packs fucking with random cars.
There’s just ZERO defense for what those bikers did. No fucking defense. At all.
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Wrong, there’s zero defense for what the driver of the car did.
If you’re that scared for your saftey, that instead of removing yourself from the situation by stopping and letting the pack of fools go by, you decide to hit one, fail to stop, run over a few more, keep running from them, then one truly has to wonder how scared you actually were in the first place. It is to be expected that if you run someone’s friend over, and don’t do anything to provide medical assistance that you’re going to be pursued by that person and their group to make sure that you are made to stop and face the consequences of your actions.
Riding a bike doesn’t make you lawless, riding a bike doesn’t make you feral, being in a group doesn’t do any of these things. Apparently the pigs have a hard on to fuck this group over.
If someone encroaches into your space or your lane, a kick to a door panel is more than justified as your kneecaps are essentially side crumple zones. That doesn’t mean at that point you’re a threat to someone’s life or safety.
This is a case of a moron in a car probably not realising that they were putting other road users at risk, and actually hitting someone.
It is disgusting and unacceptable that the driver is going to get of scott free, and not be made to pay for the attmepted vehicular manslaughter that he so clearly commits at the very least.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]cryogen wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
All I know is that the bikers by all accounts, started the physical altercation (regardless of what was said) by slashing tires and beating on the car with helmets. If I have my two year old and wife in the car, I am fleeing that scene as well. [/quote]
???
He HIT THE OTHER BIKE first.[/quote]
The biker cut him off an brake checked him.
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I ride bikes. The driver of the bike didn’t do shit but get in front of him. That is LEGAL.
Hitting the car in front of you is NOT… if you run away afterwards and run over bikes and people.
You shouldn’t be that fucking close to the bikes in the first place.[/quote]
You think it is perfectly legal to cut someone off and stop? Good luck with that.
Next on tonight’s evening news, large man stuck in the wheelwell of SUV.
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It is legal, IT is NOT legal to cause an accident by running into the rear of another person’s vehicle. There is only one person at fault when that happens, the driver of the car that ran into the car/bike/vehicle in front.[/quote]
In Australia?
Or are you an expert on US traffic law?[/quote]
I had a guy rear end me in Washington state. That was the way that the copper described the law to me. I can’t see why it would be different anywhere else in the world.
If you run into someone, you’re kinda to blame. If you “can’t” stop because they suddenly slam on their brakes, you’re just too close to them.
[quote]xcintrik wrote:
[quote]cryogen wrote:
To exchange insurance and license details, you need to get off a bike and approach a car.
The cops are on his side because they ride bikes, and are therefore guilty of whatever crime they wish to attribute to them. [/quote]
Most of these guys are riding illegally without insurance or licenses, lol pointless argument here
Cops are on the side of whom was driving in a legal manner[/quote]
And a driver who is in an accident is meant to know this how without making an attempt to exchange information? “Fuck it, they’re riding bikes, they must be doing that without licenses or insurance?”
Running someone over who is stopped in traffic in front of you because you panic is not a legal manner.
[quote]cryogen wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]cryogen wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
All I know is that the bikers by all accounts, started the physical altercation (regardless of what was said) by slashing tires and beating on the car with helmets. If I have my two year old and wife in the car, I am fleeing that scene as well. [/quote]
???
He HIT THE OTHER BIKE first.[/quote]
The biker cut him off an brake checked him.
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I ride bikes. The driver of the bike didn’t do shit but get in front of him. That is LEGAL.
Hitting the car in front of you is NOT… if you run away afterwards and run over bikes and people.
You shouldn’t be that fucking close to the bikes in the first place.[/quote]
You think it is perfectly legal to cut someone off and stop? Good luck with that.
Next on tonight’s evening news, large man stuck in the wheelwell of SUV.
[/quote]
It is legal, IT is NOT legal to cause an accident by running into the rear of another person’s vehicle. There is only one person at fault when that happens, the driver of the car that ran into the car/bike/vehicle in front.[/quote]
In Australia?
Or are you an expert on US traffic law?[/quote]
I had a guy rear end me in Washington state. That was the way that the copper described the law to me. I can’t see why it would be different anywhere else in the world.
If you run into someone, you’re kinda to blame. If you “can’t” stop because they suddenly slam on their brakes, you’re just too close to them.[/quote]
Typically when you rear end someone it is your fault but in this case they have video that clearly shows that it was not the driver of the SUV’s fault hence why he is not in trouble.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]cryogen wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]cryogen wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
All I know is that the bikers by all accounts, started the physical altercation (regardless of what was said) by slashing tires and beating on the car with helmets. If I have my two year old and wife in the car, I am fleeing that scene as well. [/quote]
???
He HIT THE OTHER BIKE first.[/quote]
The biker cut him off an brake checked him.
[/quote]
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I ride bikes. The driver of the bike didn’t do shit but get in front of him. That is LEGAL.
Hitting the car in front of you is NOT… if you run away afterwards and run over bikes and people.
You shouldn’t be that fucking close to the bikes in the first place.[/quote]
You think it is perfectly legal to cut someone off and stop? Good luck with that.
Next on tonight’s evening news, large man stuck in the wheelwell of SUV.
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It is legal, IT is NOT legal to cause an accident by running into the rear of another person’s vehicle. There is only one person at fault when that happens, the driver of the car that ran into the car/bike/vehicle in front.[/quote]
In Australia?
Or are you an expert on US traffic law?[/quote]
I had a guy rear end me in Washington state. That was the way that the copper described the law to me. I can’t see why it would be different anywhere else in the world.
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You are aware that traffic law differs by state, right?
Not to mention by country.[/quote]
Very well aware that this is the case. However, running into someone from behind seems to be pretty uniformly frowned upon worldwide.
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]cryogen wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]cryogen wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
All I know is that the bikers by all accounts, started the physical altercation (regardless of what was said) by slashing tires and beating on the car with helmets. If I have my two year old and wife in the car, I am fleeing that scene as well. [/quote]
???
He HIT THE OTHER BIKE first.[/quote]
The biker cut him off an brake checked him.
[/quote]
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I ride bikes. The driver of the bike didn’t do shit but get in front of him. That is LEGAL.
Hitting the car in front of you is NOT… if you run away afterwards and run over bikes and people.
You shouldn’t be that fucking close to the bikes in the first place.[/quote]
You think it is perfectly legal to cut someone off and stop? Good luck with that.
Next on tonight’s evening news, large man stuck in the wheelwell of SUV.
[/quote]
It is legal, IT is NOT legal to cause an accident by running into the rear of another person’s vehicle. There is only one person at fault when that happens, the driver of the car that ran into the car/bike/vehicle in front.[/quote]
In Australia?
Or are you an expert on US traffic law?[/quote]
I had a guy rear end me in Washington state. That was the way that the copper described the law to me. I can’t see why it would be different anywhere else in the world.
If you run into someone, you’re kinda to blame. If you “can’t” stop because they suddenly slam on their brakes, you’re just too close to them.[/quote]
Typically when you rear end someone it is your fault but in this case they have video that clearly shows that it was not the driver of the SUV’s fault hence why he is not in trouble.
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Exactly. If it was just a he said she said with no video, like most accidents, the person that rear ended the other would most likely be at fault. However, things change when there is video evidence of one rider staring down the other and pulling in front and breaking.
[quote]cryogen wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]cryogen wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]cryogen wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
All I know is that the bikers by all accounts, started the physical altercation (regardless of what was said) by slashing tires and beating on the car with helmets. If I have my two year old and wife in the car, I am fleeing that scene as well. [/quote]
???
He HIT THE OTHER BIKE first.[/quote]
The biker cut him off an brake checked him.
[/quote]
???
I ride bikes. The driver of the bike didn’t do shit but get in front of him. That is LEGAL.
Hitting the car in front of you is NOT… if you run away afterwards and run over bikes and people.
You shouldn’t be that fucking close to the bikes in the first place.[/quote]
You think it is perfectly legal to cut someone off and stop? Good luck with that.
Next on tonight’s evening news, large man stuck in the wheelwell of SUV.
[/quote]
It is legal, IT is NOT legal to cause an accident by running into the rear of another person’s vehicle. There is only one person at fault when that happens, the driver of the car that ran into the car/bike/vehicle in front.[/quote]
In Australia?
Or are you an expert on US traffic law?[/quote]
I had a guy rear end me in Washington state. That was the way that the copper described the law to me. I can’t see why it would be different anywhere else in the world.
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You are aware that traffic law differs by state, right?
Not to mention by country.[/quote]
Very well aware that this is the case. However, running into someone from behind seems to be pretty uniformly frowned upon worldwide.[/quote]
If there are no witnesses or video, it’s a he said - she said and the rear driver is assume at fault. If there’s proof the driver in front is at fault then that driver takes the blame.
Just ask PX. A number of years ago he managed to be at fault while sitting on his bike at a red light. LOL
[quote]cryogen wrote:
Very well aware that this is the case. However, running into someone from behind seems to be pretty uniformly frowned upon worldwide.[/quote]
I notice you didn’t answer my previous question. As others have stated, that doesn’t mean the person in the back is always at fault.
Running over pedestrians is also frowned upon, but if a guy jumps in front of your car as you’re driving along, guess who’s at fault?
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]cryogen wrote:
SO many times have I almost been killed by inattentive idiots in steel boxes
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Perhaps you may need to reevaluate your own driving habits.[/quote]
Perhaps they read his posts on here.
[quote]tedro wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and that is the problem.
I would have slowed the fuck down and let them pass…thus ending any and all threat and not putting my daughter’s life at risk.
Your way still ends with people dying and/or getting hurt.
Tip: if you see 50 bikes in a group headed your way, DON’T FUCKING RIDE IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM or slow down and let them pass.
End of fucking story.
You can argue about who had the right of way all day at home.[/quote]
This post right here sums up the argument and demonstrates why it is senseless to argue this issue or numerous others. We have been enthralled with group mentality. You’re individual rights and freedoms are meaningless when compared to that of the majority. A minor inconvenience to you is to be expected if the alternative is to ask 50 others to respect the freedom of the individual.
If you see 50 people in a tyrannical majority, just pull over, bow down to them, and worship their feet. The majority is always more important than your liberties.
Disclaimer: Most bikers are safe, considerate drivers and ride in groups respectively. But those of us that are on the roads on a regular basis run into (not literally, no pun intended) moronic motorcyclists on a regular basis. I would really prefer not to ever kill someone while I am behind the wheel, but when they routinely put themselves inches in front of me at 70+mph during rush hour, it very well may happen. It is not the responsibility of the trailing vehicle to slow down for motorcyclists, it is the responsibility of the motorcyclist to make sure they are a sufficient distance ahead of me before changing lanes.[/quote]
WTF?
This has nothing to do with bowing down to people.
I would slow down for biker groups passing because I RESPECT THEM and look out for their safety. It would have nothing to do with bowing down to people or tyrannical majorities.
I look out for the safety of others.
Sorry if that offends you.
[quote]cryogen wrote:
I had a guy rear end me in Washington state. That was the way that the copper described the law to me. I can’t see why it would be different anywhere else in the world.
If you run into someone, you’re kinda to blame. If you “can’t” stop because they suddenly slam on their brakes, you’re just too close to them.[/quote]
Brake checking is illegal. Even when cops do it.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Your true motivation for creating the thread rears its ugly head. You just can’t help it as you are the Overfiend.
Have you ever met a lawyer? Maybe you can find one of those liberal lawyers and sue me for referring to you as the Overfiend. It worked out so well for you when you were accused of being a nanny. [/quote]
Gee I thought I was just posting another topic that the whole world is talking about but turns out I’m just a bigoted racist.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Your true motivation for creating the thread rears its ugly head. You just can’t help it as you are the Overfiend.
Have you ever met a lawyer? Maybe you can find one of those liberal lawyers and sue me for referring to you as the Overfiend. It worked out so well for you when you were accused of being a nanny. [/quote]
Gee I thought I was just posting another topic that the whole world is talking about but turns out I’m just a bigoted racist.
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I should apologize. All of this time I thought you were a homophobe but obviously I was wrong. It took a lot of bravery for you to go on whatever gay site or enter whatever homosexual terms in a search in order to find that pic. Add to that all of the time you spent looking at it while you added that text. You are a lot more tolerant than I give you credit for. Most men would have found it difficult to look for a picture like that. Most men wouldn’t know where to start. I suppose it’s possible that you already had it downloaded.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Your true motivation for creating the thread rears its ugly head. You just can’t help it as you are the Overfiend.
Have you ever met a lawyer? Maybe you can find one of those liberal lawyers and sue me for referring to you as the Overfiend. It worked out so well for you when you were accused of being a nanny. [/quote]
Gee I thought I was just posting another topic that the whole world is talking about but turns out I’m just a bigoted racist.
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I should apologize. All of this time I thought you were a homophobe but obviously I was wrong. It took a lot of bravery for you to go on whatever gay site or enter whatever homosexual terms in a search in order to find that pic. Add to that all of the time you spent looking at it while you added that text. You are a lot more tolerant than I give you credit for. Most men would have found it difficult to look for a picture like that. Most men wouldn’t know where to start. I suppose it’s possible that you already had it downloaded. [/quote]
I hope no one on T-Nation recorded my activity lingering on John Meadows picture lifting with his legs spread.
I find pictures that are unique as I read on the internet and save them in a pic directory. I’ve done this for the past dozen years, there’s no searching. By the way the guy in blue jean short short’s is not gay he is European.
zecarlo I have no ill will toward you, please give up following me around this site. No matter what I post you bend it to conform to what is in your brain not mine.
Now jump on the peace train baby…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
WTF?
This has nothing to do with bowing down to people.
I would slow down for biker groups passing because I RESPECT THEM and look out for their safety. It would have nothing to do with bowing down to people or tyrannical majorities.
I look out for the safety of others.
Sorry if that offends you.[/quote]
The group have shown no respect to anyone else, yet they deserve respect? They have videos of breaking numerous laws time and time again, do you think they care about safety?
Yeah, I’m not really sure whagt part of zipping through oncoming traffic while on the wrong side of the road, riding on pedestrian sidewalks, blowing past red lights and then cutti.g off and brake checking a car while trying to intimidate it deserves respect.
I’m a biker and I say fuck those guys. I live in constant fear while on my bike that some dumb sorority chick on her cell pho.e is going to plow into me in an intersection, and as a result I drive smart and defensively. I have also been in 3 wrecks on my bike, so I’ve felt pavement before–none of them determined to be my fault either btw. I also avoid asshat groups of bikers while I ride–I have turned more than one invitation to ride with a group of people because I deem them to be dumb as fuck and I don’t want to associate with shitty ass people or dumb riders, for what I hope are obvious reasons.
Fuck those guys, fuck their illegal bikes, and fuck thinking you can zip around with impunity breaking all traffic laws forever without paying the price eventually. I’m just sorry that the suv driver got beaten.