It’s interesting that Cruz has not been charged with assault.
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
It’s interesting that Cruz has not been charged with assault.[/quote]
He was charged with reckless endangerment amongst other things.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
WTF?
Look, I have been in situations like that…so I may have a different perspective…because I KNOW how people like that guy in the SUV drive.[/quote]
Isn’t that profiling? Or don’t you understand what you just did? You are broad brushing all non bikers or perhaps just SUV drivers?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
He was driving them too close to start with. That was WHY the bike rider got in front to PROTECT the other riders.
Why the fuck would you drive that close to a bike in the first place unless acting like an ass?
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Can you not ascertain that 25-30 bikers riding up your ass and weaving all around you as being the problem??
I used to ride too and all drivers at some point DO dumbshit., This is clearly a frightened couple trying to escape from some “xyz scary shit”.
Bikes are hard to see in side mirrors when they are racing up alongside other vehicles.
I personally would never slow down as that fucktard did in front of the SUV and I would never have run in a group of 25-30 bikers zipping in and around vehicles. I would have recognized the situation becoming chaotic and chosen to back off.
But this biker is STARING down the SUV driver, and slowed down so much that the rear tire of his motorcycle bumped the front of the SUV.
The Japanese SUV driver with his wife and baby daughter in my opinion were not trying to hit them. Witnesses described them as having been weaving in and out all over the road. The video shows the biker fucktards driving recklessly. Where’s cause for that?
Now injured biker Edwin Mieses Jr. with broken legs and spine injuries claims HE is the VICTIM. WTF? Victim of his own demise.
What good “cause” was there for the biker bashing his motorcycle helmet into the babies window? That biker decided he would undertake the situation in his own unlawful process.
These fuctards will sue the Japanese couple for everything they have. This should be an easy decision but I see it’s going to be split along culture lines.
(That is why if some shit4brains breaks into your home in the middle of the night you don’t nick em the leg with a warning shot. You blow their head off. No warning. You’re in my territory and you have my permission to bleed out on my carpet. Otherwise they will find a liberal democrat cockmite lawyer to sue YOU the HOMEOWNER. Even if you don’t LOSE your home to the “victim” you will spend everything you have worked for defending yourself in court.)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-bikers-pull-beat-suv-driver-nyc-20429209
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
The police would disagree with you as would pretty much everyone else.[/quote]
/debate
This is the lamest attempt at playing contrarian I’ve seen in quite some time… I’m just wondering whether to credit the effort to weak trolling or unresolved angst over his past accident(s).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
The only thing I would have done differently than him, was when they first started coming at my car, I would have taken off and if they pursued I would have taken as many of them out as possible. Finally if they ever got me to stop the fucker that broke out my window would have had his skull turned into a gravy boat with a .45 between the eyes.[/quote]
…and that is the problem.
I would have slowed the fuck down and let them pass…thus ending any and all threat and not putting my daughter’s life at risk.
Your way still ends with people dying and/or getting hurt.
Tip: if you see 50 bikes in a group headed your way, DON’T FUCKING RIDE IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM or slow down and let them pass.
End of fucking story.
You can argue about who had the right of way all day at home.[/quote]
Wrong, per the law the only thing I need to yield the right of way to is an emergency vehicle with lights and sirens.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Now injured biker Edwin Mieses Jr. with broken legs and spine injuries claims HE is the VICTIM. WTF? Victim of his own demise.
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I could be wrong, but I doubt he is as innocent as his wife and mom seem to believe he is. Being that close to a group of bikers pounding this guys SUV was probably no accident. He was probably one of the guys blocking the SUV in so the other bikers could slash the tires. From what I’ve seen, I don’t feel sorry for him right now.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This story is the reason why I am ambivalent about learning to ride a motorcycle.
The margin for error is so small, I am not so much worried about myself, as I am worried about the carelessness of someone else. [/quote]
x100
two type of riders, those who have been in an accident, and those who are going to be in an accident. the human body loses everytime against concrete, guard rails, and trees.
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
This is why I would never live in a state like NY with their gun laws.[/quote]
one of many reasons not to live in a blue state
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
I see it’s going to be split along culture lines.
Otherwise they will find a liberal democrat cockmite lawyer to sue YOU the HOMEOWNER.
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A. Your true motivation for creating the thread rears its ugly head. You just can’t help it as you are the Overfiend.
B. Are you saying only liberal lawyers sue? A conservative lawyer would turn down a case like that based on being a conservative? Have you ever met a lawyer? Maybe you can find one of those liberal lawyers and sue me for referring to you as the Overfiend. It worked out so well for you when you were accused of being a nanny.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
You’re wasting your time, friend.
The rules are different in PX World.[/quote]
I can’t tell who is at fault in this situation. No clue; too many conflicting claims at this time.
HOWEVER:
It appears that Conservative Dog and Professor X are the ying-yang of racism.
Because the bikers are at least partially blacks, Professor X knee-jerk runs to their defense, in predicatable pro-black, anti-white, bias and bigotry.
Similarly, I have little doubt CD is motivated to find blame on the bikers because many of them are black in predictable pro-white, anti-black bias and bigotry.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
You’re wasting your time, friend.
The rules are different in PX World.[/quote]
I can’t tell who is at fault in this situation. No clue; too many conflicting claims at this time.
HOWEVER:
It appears that Conservative Dog and Professor X are the ying-yang of racism.
Because the bikers are at least partially blacks, Professor X knee-jerk runs to their defense, in predicatable pro-black, anti-white, bias and bigotry.
Similarly, I have little doubt CD is motivated to find blame on the bikers because many of them are black in predictable pro-white, anti-black bias and bigotry.[/quote]
Good post. I haven’t followed this thing at all, so I have no clue who is right and who is wrong here, but it is very often the case that whenever a black guy and a not-black-guy find themselves at odds in some minor news story, there are going to be a whole hell of a lot of sides taken before even the most basic investigation takes place.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
It appears that Conservative Dog and Professor X are the ying-yang of racism.
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There is a major difference: X is an actual person posting his actual opinions while CD is a troll so we don’t know what he really believes or how “real” he is.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
You’re wasting your time, friend.
The rules are different in PX World.[/quote]
I can’t tell who is at fault in this situation. No clue; too many conflicting claims at this time.
HOWEVER:
It appears that Conservative Dog and Professor X are the ying-yang of racism.
Because the bikers are at least partially blacks, Professor X knee-jerk runs to their defense, in predicatable pro-black, anti-white, bias and bigotry.
Similarly, I have little doubt CD is motivated to find blame on the bikers because many of them are black in predictable pro-white, anti-black bias and bigotry.[/quote]
To be fair I don’t think that Prof X is defending the bikers because of their race. I think he is defending them because of his past accident which has given him a certain distrust of any motorist not on a bike.
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
You’re wasting your time, friend.
The rules are different in PX World.[/quote]
I can’t tell who is at fault in this situation. No clue; too many conflicting claims at this time.
HOWEVER:
It appears that Conservative Dog and Professor X are the ying-yang of racism.
Because the bikers are at least partially blacks, Professor X knee-jerk runs to their defense, in predicatable pro-black, anti-white, bias and bigotry.
Similarly, I have little doubt CD is motivated to find blame on the bikers because many of them are black in predictable pro-white, anti-black bias and bigotry.[/quote]
To be fair I don’t think that Prof X is defending the bikers because of their race. I think he is defending them because of his past accident which has given him a certain distrust of any motorist not on a bike.[/quote]
In a vaccuum, I’d agree with you.
But his history of posting just like CD, but in reverse, belies that.
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
This is exactly why I carry.
This is why I would never live in a state like NY with their gun laws.
If it would have been me… dude with the helmet would have been shot dead.
BUT…
We still don’t know all the fact. What was the driver doing to the bikers before the recording? Did he do something to agitate them? Is that why Mr. Cruz cut in front of him and slowed down? [/quote]
Responding to your second point. I don’t think it matters. Even if he did agitate the mob that doesn’t give them the right to attempt to forcefully stop his vehicle in an attempt to start an altercation. Anyway, it seems pretty clear these fucks just wanted to stop traffic behind them to allow the remaining fucks to perform stupid stunts on the highway uninhibited by other vehicles using the highway for transportation.
This whole thing is ridiculous. I’m at least comforted that public opinion is pretty unanimous here outside of a subset of bikers. Dozens of uncivilized thugs in a mob trying to force an altercation with a man and his family. Of course he acted with instinct and did everything he could do get away from that situation. These bikers were in a mob and clearly violent.
The guy who was mowed over was acting irresponsibly. Who the hell gets in front of a vehicle that is on in the middle of a highway. Really arrogant to expect that man would willfully allow the mob to beat the shit out of him and possibly his family without trying to escape. The guy doesn’t “deserve” to be paralyzed but it’s his own fault.
Look I’ve seen the videos, and I am sorry but there is no excuse for the man who got in front of the SUV to brake as suddenly as he did and just expect the man to slow down in time, regardless of what the SUV was doing and especially if the SUV was just spearheading into the middle of them(unlikely). Not to mention this guy deliberately mugged the SUV as he did this, braked with the sole intent of influencing the other driver.
When you are on a motorcycle you drive as though everyone is trying to kill you, because a good portion of them inadvertently are, this guy was clearly a fool and deserves what he got. Motorcycle brakes actually have some good stopping power, and a bike certainly has less momentum than a SUV, while this guy is sitting on his broken legs someone needs to teach him some physics.
People like this give the rest of us a bad name.
I wonder how many of those bikers are carrying insurance, are licensed and their bikes registered.
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
Look I’ve seen the videos, and I am sorry but there is no excuse for the man who got in front of the SUV to brake as suddenly as he did and just expect the man to slow down in time, regardless of what the SUV was doing and especially if the SUV was just spearheading into the middle of them(unlikely). Not to mention this guy deliberately mugged the SUV as he did this, braked with the sole intent of influencing the other driver.
When you are on a motorcycle you drive as though everyone is trying to kill you, because a good portion of them inadvertently are, this guy was clearly a fool and deserves what he got. Motorcycle brakes actually have some good stopping power, and a bike certainly has less momentum than a SUV, while this guy is sitting on his broken legs someone needs to teach him some physics.
People like this give the rest of us a bad name.[/quote]
Yep. Zero sympathy for him based off that video. Some people have to learn their lesson the hard way.