Try carbs before bed - backloading as recommended by Kiefer
Vicomte’s point is very important. Different anti-depressants work via different mechanisms. I was on Zoloft at first. It was evil, and actually made the depression worse, as well as having a bunch of serious side effects, including increasing my appetite massively–not good when you’re actually overweight and trying to use it. The one that worked for me was Welbutrin. It had the fewest side effects. So definitely do your research.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
10,000iu of vitamin D3 (not vitamin D) and a short sunbed session.
Eliminate wheat, gluten and dairy.
BBB[/quote]
Would you mind answering, why the sunbed?
i find L-Tyrosine to be a decent mood lifter. after all, it does increase dopamine, doesnt it?
Some great posts in here! Here’s what I’ve found works best for me:
High Dose Fish Oil - 30g/day
Vitamin D - 5,000 IUs/day
Eliminating Dairy and Gluten
Eliminating Cardio
Some carbs at night
This has been more consistent than any anti-depressant… with no side effects!
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
If you do decide to go the drug route, I suggest you do your research. Most anti-ds have some pretty shitty side effects. Might also want to check out a book called The Emperor’s New Drugs. The science behind them is pretty shaky, IMO.[/quote]
“Meta-analyses of antidepressant medications have reported only modest benefits over placebo treatment, and when unpublished trial data are included, the benefit falls below accepted criteria for clinical significance.”
Translation into plain English: anti-depressant drugs don’t work, and the drug companies that make them have always known it.
As others have mentioned but what helped me with boosted my mood was taking vitamin D3, and removing grains/wheat from the diet.
Recall seeing this article last week in the news.
“Vitamin D may lower risk of depression in kids”
& a testimonial.
“Wheat and . . . depression”
[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
If you do decide to go the drug route, I suggest you do your research. Most anti-ds have some pretty shitty side effects. Might also want to check out a book called The Emperor’s New Drugs. The science behind them is pretty shaky, IMO.[/quote]
“Meta-analyses of antidepressant medications have reported only modest benefits over placebo treatment, and when unpublished trial data are included, the benefit falls below accepted criteria for clinical significance.”
Translation into plain English: anti-depressant drugs don’t work, and the drug companies that make them have always known it.[/quote]
That’s my take on it, as well.
Fish oil? First I’m hearing about it being used against depression. Wow, that stuff does everything.
Except motor oil, it’s definitely not made to be a lube. hahahaha
Gonna say niacin again, make sure it will give you the flushing sensation…
[quote]hungryone wrote:
Some great posts in here! Here’s what I’ve found works best for me:
High Dose Fish Oil - 30g/day
Vitamin D - 5,000 IUs/day
Eliminating Dairy and Gluten
Eliminating Cardio
Some carbs at night
This has been more consistent than any anti-depressant… with no side effects![/quote]
^This… plus:
ZMA, St. John’s Wort, SAMe, eliminate stimulants (ie. caffeine), keep weight training sessions short (under an hour), and enjoy life!
OP, when you say “mild depression” is this an actual diagnosis from a psych doc of some sort, or your own opinion?
heres a list of what i feel helps me: Biotest’s Power Drive, fish oil, DEFINITELY vitamin D (i feel like THE MAN after i go tanning lol) , Choline supps. ALSO i will be the guy that puts everyon eon this but cissus quadrangularis. It has so many benefits but mood elevation is just one of the few
I think it’s a little disconcerting to so often see people on forums bashing western medicine (in this case anti-depressants) after selecting negative research only to represent their outcomes.
This distrust based on the gathering of selective information would not be so overly strange if it was not usually followed with a recommendation for a vitamin or herb which likely has much less research basis as a treatment for said process or has an overwhelming number of studies which note lack of statistically significant effect in a large population of subjects without statistical confounding factors.
I guess what I’m saying is, imo, it’s a little hypocritical to state that anti-depressants aren’t good secondary to lack of good research and then to suggest a “natural” cure that also has a lack of good research. That being said, I consider both good routes; everyone is different.
And as an above poster said, SSRIs and SNRIs have widely varied levels of success for each individual. Some do very well with A, others try A and then move to B or C to get just as good of a result. Many do well with “natural” therapy. Medicine is powerful but so is the mind. No one’s got it all figured out
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
I think it’s a little disconcerting to so often see people on forums bashing western medicine (in this case anti-depressants) after selecting negative research only to represent their outcomes.
This distrust based on the gathering of selective information would not be so overly strange if it was not usually followed with a recommendation for a vitamin or herb which likely has much less research basis as a treatment for said process or has an overwhelming number of studies which note lack of statistically significant effect in a large population of subjects without statistical confounding factors.
I guess what I’m saying is, imo, it’s a little hypocritical to state that anti-depressants aren’t good secondary to lack of good research and then to suggest a “natural” cure that also has a lack of good research. That being said, I consider both good routes; everyone is different.
And as an above poster said, SSRIs and SNRIs have widely varied levels of success for each individual. Some do very well with A, others try A and then move to B or C to get just as good of a result. Many do well with “natural” therapy. Medicine is powerful but so is the mind. No one’s got it all figured out [/quote]
I think recommending a questionable ‘natural’ remedy or supp with little or no side effects is probably more ethical than recommending a questionable drug with very real, serious side effects.
Also, I hear thalidomide is a fantastic anti-emetic.
Works great for morning sickness.
Vicomte: your first point is certainly not without merritt. It’s a shame that you followed it up as you did.
Beta blockers, Calcium channel blockers, ACE Inhibitors, Diuretics, Steroids, Chemotherapy, AEDs, Antibiotics, Antiplatelet drugs, Migraine prophylaxis meds, TPA (and hundreds of others) unquestionably increase life expectancy and/or quality of life for the vast majority of those that choose to take them every day all over the world.
You chose Thalidomide, a drug removed from the market over 50 years ago. I’m sorry, but I’m not impressed
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
Vicomte: your first point is certainly not without merritt. It’s a shame that you followed it up as you did.
Beta blockers, Calcium channel blockers, ACE Inhibitors, Diuretics, Steroids, Chemotherapy, AEDs, Antibiotics, Antiplatelet drugs, Migraine prophylaxis meds, TPA (and hundreds of others) unquestionably increase life expectancy and/or quality of life for the vast majority of those that choose to take them every day all over the world.
You chose Thalidomide, a drug removed from the market over 50 years ago. I’m sorry, but I’m not impressed [/quote]
As an example of an over-prescribed, under-understood ‘miracle drug’ that ended up causing more harm than good. Depressed? Take Prozac. Nevermind we have no idea how it works, or it if really even does. If, after six weeks, you don’t notice an improvement, take Zoloft. If that doesn’t work, try Effexor, then Wellbutrin. When that doesn’t work, we’ll try the Prozac again, with an Abilify chaser. And here’s some Seroquel to help you sleep.
Something about the ‘chemical imbalance’ theory of depression reminds me too much of humorism. ‘We can’t measure it, but it’s imbalanced’ is pretty shit science. And these drugs can harm people, when there is little or any evidence of therapeutic benefit.
Psychiatry has always been far behind the rest of modern medicine.
I agree that anti-depressants are overprescribed. No arguement there. There is a wealth of objective data for treatment of mood disorders however. PET scans do this quite succintly
[quote]bam7196 wrote:
I agree that anti-depressants are overprescribed. No arguement there. There is a wealth of objective data for treatment of mood disorders however. PET scans do this quite succintly
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In regard to depression?
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Psychiatry has always been far behind the rest of modern medicine. [/quote]
I just read that Psychiatrists prescribe about 25% of anti deptressants.
The situation you describe is exactly what happened to 2 people I know. They were basically having bad days (ones parents were splitting up, but he was 19 ffs), and without question, he was given an ssri. I think he’s probably on his 8 - 10th med (wellbutrin, zoloft, paxil, etc) with absolutely no improvement. I firmly believe most of his current symptoms are a side effect of the DRUGS he’s been on.
Do you eat well? What?
Do you exercise? Some
Do you take fish oil? What?
Do you take Vitamin D and Magnesium? What?
Have you tried tyrosine, inositol, B vitamins? What?
You sound like you need an ssri
I’m not saying they haven’t helped anyone, but again, they are not the quick fix