This has long been over due! Finally a company that will give a lab assay of the top supplement products. It looks like what David Barr and Paul Check have been saying about the supplement industry is true. A lot of people are making gains off the placebo effect!
You guys will not believe some of the supplements that did not meet label claims. Some didn’t even have any of the label ingredient. Some companies are going to get sued. I hope the government will take some action against companies like IDS and BSN! Here is the website below.
I do not think I will ever buy another protein bar again. Milos Sarcev was right when he would say that he would identify his total carb and fat intake when dieting and then reduce it by 10% for the hiden carbs and fats that were in various supplements.
He should of also upped his protein requirments because the bars that were tested sucked, they mostly had 50-75% less than they claimed!
The lab assays are form the widely respected San Rafael Chemical Services. They are out of Utah and they even give their phone number if you have questions of how the tests were done.
It’s been known for years (hell, going on a decade) that the “protein” in most bars is either a) not there at all or b) some form of gelatin. Most of this supplements out there range from worthless to downright dangerous.
Not to be a Biotest whore, but this is why I only buy my protein bars from Biotest.
The day Biotest is involved in labelling fraud is the day I will never buy another supplement. It truly is the only supplement company I trust.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
It’s been known for years (hell, going on a decade) that the “protein” in most bars is either a) not there at all or b) some form of gelatin. Most of this supplements out there range from worthless to downright dangerous.
Not to be a Biotest whore, but this is why I only buy my protein bars from Biotest.
The day Biotest is involved in labelling fraud is the day I will never buy another supplement. It truly is the only supplement company I trust.[/quote]
I know what you are saying. At Supplement Police you can even send in a product you want and get it labbed out for 150 dollars.
That is so cheap compared to other companies or getting ripped off by a lying company. I thought of doing it on my own, but the companies wanted me to open a account and give so much persenal information it was ridculouls!
I am glad that the TRIBEX 500 has independent third party conformation.
There are even emails posted of the discussions between the individual supplement companies and Supplement Police. Some are funny, others are stupid and some are just plain sad. Like they knew the product was bad and that is why they re-formulated the product.
Glad to see that Supplement Police has made itself available for viewing, its been a project in the making and finally has taken off.
We hope to get Supplement Companies who test their products, each and every batch regularly, to submit and supply the lab assays so they can prove the label claims, if not they will be questioned one day by the police, the SUPPLEMENT POLICE. Its been tough getting any company to provide such material, but they can provide the excuses why they don’t have one!!
Any Supplement Company who have lab assays are welcome to submit them to supplementpolice.com
[quote]daniel_lamon wrote:
This has long been over due! Finally a company that will give a lab assay of the top supplement products. It looks like what David Barr and Paul Check have been saying about the supplement industry is true. A lot of people are making gains off the placebo effect!
You guys will not believe some of the supplements that did not meet label claims. Some didn’t even have any of the label ingredient. Some companies are going to get sued. I hope the government will take some action against companies like IDS and BSN! Here is the website below.
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After hearing this from Barr last year at a seminar I haven’t bought any of that shit and I wont ever again. I will admit to trying NO-Xplode and a few other of the hyped products. Never again.
[quote]daniel_lamon wrote:
This has long been over due! Finally a company that will give a lab assay of the top supplement products. It looks like what David Barr and Paul Check have been saying about the supplement industry is true. A lot of people are making gains off the placebo effect!
You guys will not believe some of the supplements that did not meet label claims. Some didn’t even have any of the label ingredient. Some companies are going to get sued. I hope the government will take some action against companies like IDS and BSN! Here is the website below.
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Something stinks here. They claim to be a not for profit organization but their list of “Certified” supplements includes links to buy them at SupplementDirect.com. Who registered supplementpolice.com? David Lopez from SupplementDirect.com. Both are located in SLO.
Also, it’s verification assay not essay. Shouldn’t they know that?
[quote]Johnny Cotta wrote:
Glad to see that Supplement Police has made itself available for viewing, its been a project in the making and finally has taken off.
We hope to get Supplement Companies who test their products, each and every batch regularly, to submit and supply the lab assays so they can prove the label claims, if not they will be questioned one day by the police, the SUPPLEMENT POLICE. Its been tough getting any company to provide such material, but they can provide the excuses why they don’t have one!!
Any Supplement Company who have lab assays are welcome to submit them to supplementpolice.com
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So, Johnny Cotta, longtime T-Nation lurker and just a coincidence that you registered the day someone posted about your company?
That website just seems like a crock. You have to pay to read damaging reports about supplements made by other companies, and complementary reports about supplements that they sell. That’s ridiculous. You can’t even puruse their reports, or check how their results were achieved without first paying.
“Information and verification of the SupplementPolice.com staff credentials” and this section of the website mysteriously doesn’t work…
If they were really a not-for profit or interested in exposing fraud in the supplement industry, they’d probably not be selling anything. It takes away all credibility, which makes it just look like a marketing scheme.
And saying “the Utah” whateverwhatever lab is well respected doesn’t make the place reputable. Especially not to the general public, who are the ones interested in the supplement fraud data.
This post is well respected, so you should believe everything in it. FACT!
[quote]kakugo wrote:
That website just seems like a crock. You have to pay to read damaging reports about supplements made by other companies, and complementary reports about supplements that they sell. That’s ridiculous. You can’t even puruse their reports, or check how their results were achieved without first paying.
“Information and verification of the SupplementPolice.com staff credentials” and this section of the website mysteriously doesn’t work…
If they were really a not-for profit or interested in exposing fraud in the supplement industry, they’d probably not be selling anything. It takes away all credibility, which makes it just look like a marketing scheme.
And saying “the Utah” whateverwhatever lab is well respected doesn’t make the place reputable. Especially not to the general public, who are the ones interested in the supplement fraud data.
This post is well respected, so you should believe everything in it. FACT![/quote]
I agree with what you wrote, but “not for profit” shouldn’t even have been written.
If a company is going to claim to be the authority on proving certain supplements to be under-dosed or tainted, their own credentials should be the easiest info to access.
Amazingly, you can’t click on that link…but they have no problem with the PayPal links that request payment to view what they have to say about “Guilty” products.
[quote]Michael570 wrote:
daniel_lamon wrote:
This has long been over due! Finally a company that will give a lab assay of the top supplement products. It looks like what David Barr and Paul Check have been saying about the supplement industry is true. A lot of people are making gains off the placebo effect!
You guys will not believe some of the supplements that did not meet label claims. Some didn’t even have any of the label ingredient. Some companies are going to get sued. I hope the government will take some action against companies like IDS and BSN! Here is the website below.
Something stinks here. They claim to be a not for profit organization but their list of “Certified” supplements includes links to buy them at SupplementDirect.com. Who registered supplementpolice.com? David Lopez from SupplementDirect.com. Both are located in SLO.
Also, it’s verification assay not essay. Shouldn’t they know that?[/quote]
I think they are owned by the same guy. If you look at last months Planet Muscle or Power Lifting USA the ads for both companies are side by side. If you go to the Supplement Direct website they also sell all the products that they tested. I guess the company just got tired of selling crap to people
[quote]Michael570 wrote:
Johnny Cotta wrote:
Glad to see that Supplement Police has made itself available for viewing, its been a project in the making and finally has taken off.
We hope to get Supplement Companies who test their products, each and every batch regularly, to submit and supply the lab assays so they can prove the label claims, if not they will be questioned one day by the police, the SUPPLEMENT POLICE. Its been tough getting any company to provide such material, but they can provide the excuses why they don’t have one!!
Any Supplement Company who have lab assays are welcome to submit them to supplementpolice.com
So, Johnny Cotta, longtime T-Nation lurker and just a coincidence that you registered the day someone posted about your company?
(I’m taking the bad cop angle.)[/quote]
It sounds like he works for the company in his post. I do not have a problem with him posting and becoming a member. Maybe he can shed some light onto what are the next products they are going to test.
I don’t know…look at the SCI-FIT products,.some of them are “certified”, some are “fake”…so is this supplementpolice.com on the company’s payroll or not/
I personally feel (not that its worth anything) that the operation may be honest, but if they’re charging 150$ for a personalized test, I doubt if its really non-profit.
[quote]kakugo wrote:
That website just seems like a crock. You have to pay to read damaging reports about supplements made by other companies, and complementary reports about supplements that they sell. That’s ridiculous. You can’t even puruse their reports, or check how their results were achieved without first paying.
“Information and verification of the SupplementPolice.com staff credentials” and this section of the website mysteriously doesn’t work…
If they were really a not-for profit or interested in exposing fraud in the supplement industry, they’d probably not be selling anything. It takes away all credibility, which makes it just look like a marketing scheme.
And saying “the Utah” whateverwhatever lab is well respected doesn’t make the place reputable. Especially not to the general public, who are the ones interested in the supplement fraud data.
This post is well respected, so you should believe everything in it. FACT![/quote]
Here is the definition of a nonprofit organization from Wikipedia:
A nonprofit organization (abbreviated “NPO”, or “non-profit” or “not-for-profit”) is an organization whose primary objective is to support an issue or matter of private interest or public concern for non-commercial purposes. Nonprofits may be involved in an innumerable range of areas relating to the arts, charities, education, politics, religion, research, sports or some other endeavor.
I think they have to charge a price to see the products to help pay for the lab assays. None the less it will save people’s hard earned money due to the fact that they will know what is really in their products.
As far as the complaining about the lab and saying that they are not reputable does not make any sense. If they were lying about the lab assays they would get sued by the companies that got the bad feed back and a lot of people would go to jail for falsifying documents. No lab would risk that, especially when it is such a big deal to say that X supplement does not meet label claims.
That is probably why they put the lot number of the product on the lab assay. Who knows, the product might lab out the next time, but it sure didn’t lab out this time.
Here is another company that I posted a long time ago that does the same thing. They also charge to see which products failed. They just do not have as many bodybuilding products, they cater to the older community.