Superman vs Thor

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[quote]ComixGuy wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
I may be wrong about the lasso, though.

I think you are but lack the energy to drag the books out.

Anyway, we are going to agree to disagree. Although, there is one final point that I will make. The only way to lengthen a product’s lifecycle is to come out with a ‘newer’ or ‘improved’ or whats in vogue now , ‘retro’ version. And Superman, as is any character, is a product and the more successful the product the harder it is to maintain its lifecycle. So, yes Superman being published 30-40-yrs earlier than Thor and being more mainstream successful has had to have more varations to extend the product life cycle. But you have to give credence that Thor has changed from his inception (newer) and gotten more powerful (improved) and then became ‘skyfather’ Thor (even more improved) and gone back to more classic Thor(retro) since he has given up his odinforce to fix his hammer. I may be wrong at that last one, as I may be behind the times.

Superman is vulnerable to magic and the one thing I have hated since DC messed this up is they have never ever said how vulnerable. A lot of people have assumed it is normal human vulnerable…maybe it isn’t. Maybe it is more like he isn’t invulnerable, but still durable? I am guessing here, so don’t tear it down, needlessly. Besides I hate magic. It totally is the ultimate weapon and really no one can defeat it, unless the magic holder is an absolute idiot.

I tell you the next time I am at comic-con or have a chance to talk to a dc person, I will try and get this clarified. [/quote]

Good post- I think we can agree to disagree about the actual fight, however I think most would agree that the issue of magic in comics is one which is a bit deus ex machina; writers often just use it to get themselves out of a tight spot, and thus a lot of good writers don’t take it seriously. I think there does need to be a bit of consistency- Although my argument was that Thor would beat Superman on the basis of magic, I would feel a bit uncomfortable about saying Superman would get beaten by Dr. Strange.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:

Good post- I think we can agree to disagree about the actual fight, however I think most would agree that the issue of magic in comics is one which is a bit deus ex machina; writers often just use it to get themselves out of a tight spot, and thus a lot of good writers don’t take it seriously. I think there does need to be a bit of consistency- Although my argument was that Thor would beat Superman on the basis of magic, I would feel a bit uncomfortable about saying Superman would get beaten by Dr. Strange.
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What are you smoking? Magic accounts for about half of the DC Universe and about 30-40% of Marvel. Magic is no more a deus ex machina than Iron Man being able to scientifically define and manipulate Spider-Man’s precognitive spider sense (Iron Man: Civil War). As a plot device magic is held to the same standards as science or any thing else. Otherwise Dr Fate or Dr Strange could just come swooping in to save the day with whatever spell was required.

Superman is invulnerable. Magic manifested in a physical form still has to overcome Supes’ invulnerability. Hitting him with a magic hammer is just like hitting him with a regular hammer, except the hammer doesn’t break against old Supes’ hard head. Magic doesn’t mean his bones suddenly become brittle or fragile.

There is a magically enhanced knife in the DC Universe (Wonder Woman may have it now) that may have the ability to cut Superman, now whether that is like cutting thru a brick wall with a ka-bar, I don’t know. If Supes simply crumpled before all things magic, then a talking chimp detective could be the death of the Big Blue Boy Scout.

Superman is probably as vulnerable to magic that manifests itself differently like reality shifts or Zatanna’s “namrepus pots” spell as anyone else.

Besides all of you seem to have forgotten Superman is also vulnerable to psychic attacks too. Poison Ivy and most notoriously Maxwell Lord have both used Superman to serve their needs thru mind control. I think Felix Faust has done the same using magical illusions. The Emma Frosts and Lady Masterminds would have a field day with the good ole boy from Kansas.

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This fight already happened in a crossover years ago, long fight but superman won, ofcourse.

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Like he ever had a chance of loosing to that long haired hippy.

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[quote]Bujo wrote:
Like he ever had a chance of loosing to that long haired hippy.[/quote]

That long haired hippy has kicked more ass and fucked more bitches and earned more respect than that S-Curl wearing, goat fucking fag ever will.

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[quote]ComixGuy wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
I may be wrong about the lasso, though.

I think you are but lack the energy to drag the books out.

Anyway, we are going to agree to disagree. Although, there is one final point that I will make. The only way to lengthen a product’s lifecycle is to come out with a ‘newer’ or ‘improved’ or whats in vogue now , ‘retro’ version. And Superman, as is any character, is a product and the more successful the product the harder it is to maintain its lifecycle. So, yes Superman being published 30-40-yrs earlier than Thor and being more mainstream successful has had to have more varations to extend the product life cycle. But you have to give credence that Thor has changed from his inception (newer) and gotten more powerful (improved) and then became ‘skyfather’ Thor (even more improved) and gone back to more classic Thor(retro) since he has given up his odinforce to fix his hammer. I may be wrong at that last one, as I may be behind the times.

Superman is vulnerable to magic and the one thing I have hated since DC messed this up is they have never ever said how vulnerable. A lot of people have assumed it is normal human vulnerable…maybe it isn’t. Maybe it is more like he isn’t invulnerable, but still durable? I am guessing here, so don’t tear it down, needlessly. Besides I hate magic. It totally is the ultimate weapon and really no one can defeat it, unless the magic holder is an absolute idiot.

I tell you the next time I am at comic-con or have a chance to talk to a dc person, I will try and get this clarified. [/quote]

Cool beans.

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[quote]Bujo wrote:
RTJenforcer wrote:

Good post- I think we can agree to disagree about the actual fight, however I think most would agree that the issue of magic in comics is one which is a bit deus ex machina; writers often just use it to get themselves out of a tight spot, and thus a lot of good writers don’t take it seriously. I think there does need to be a bit of consistency- Although my argument was that Thor would beat Superman on the basis of magic, I would feel a bit uncomfortable about saying Superman would get beaten by Dr. Strange.

What are you smoking? Magic accounts for about half of the DC Universe and about 30-40% of Marvel. Magic is no more a deus ex machina than Iron Man being able to scientifically define and manipulate Spider-Man’s precognitive spider sense (Iron Man: Civil War). As a plot device magic is held to the same standards as science or any thing else. Otherwise Dr Fate or Dr Strange could just come swooping in to save the day with whatever spell was required.

Superman is invulnerable. Magic manifested in a physical form still has to overcome Supes’ invulnerability. Hitting him with a magic hammer is just like hitting him with a regular hammer, except the hammer doesn’t break against old Supes’ hard head. Magic doesn’t mean his bones suddenly become brittle or fragile.

There is a magically enhanced knife in the DC Universe (Wonder Woman may have it now) that may have the ability to cut Superman, now whether that is like cutting thru a brick wall with a ka-bar, I don’t know. If Supes simply crumpled before all things magic, then a talking chimp detective could be the death of the Big Blue Boy Scout.

Superman is probably as vulnerable to magic that manifests itself differently like reality shifts or Zatanna’s “namrepus pots” spell as anyone else.

Besides all of you seem to have forgotten Superman is also vulnerable to psychic attacks too. Poison Ivy and most notoriously Maxwell Lord have both used Superman to serve their needs thru mind control. I think Felix Faust has done the same using magical illusions. The Emma Frosts and Lady Masterminds would have a field day with the good ole boy from Kansas.

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Superman has been physically injured by guys like Mongol, Doomsday, Darkseid, Captain Marvel, and Lobo. All these guys have hit hit hard enough to push through his “invulnerability”. Thor has to strength to do the same.

Now if you add Magical power behind it, like Captain Marvel or Mjolnir, then Superman takes the damage like a normal human being would. So the Magical attacks or object will cut through the “force field” and hurt him severely. And then you factor in the strength of the people using the mystical item, Superman should be dead within a few blows.

Martian Manhunter has the same powers as Superman, plus a bunch more, and when he gets hit with fire, he crumbles! Because he’s weak against fire! Common fucking sense!

Superman is hit with Kyrptonite, Magic, or Red Sun = Superman crumbles. Common fucking sense.

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Thor fucks everyone up, period.

Superman, Hulk, Dr. Manhattan all lose.

Dr. Manhattan is said to be a god, Thor kills gods, 'nuff said.

Wol wins

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[quote]ucallthatbass wrote:
Thor fucks everyone up, period.

Superman, Hulk, Dr. Manhattan all lose.

Dr. Manhattan is said to be a god, Thor kills gods, 'nuff said.

Wol wins[/quote]

We don’t know how Dr. Manhattan could handle it, because although Watchmen is technically a form of DC Universe, there is no god in that world, and we don’t know the full extent of his powers. He is said to be a god, but that is a commentary on how the world views him rather than what he actually is. I would avoid bringing Dr. Manhattan into these discussions.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Bujo wrote:
Like he ever had a chance of loosing to that long haired hippy.

That long haired hippy has kicked more ass and fucked more bitches and earned more respect than that S-Curl wearing, goat fucking fag ever will.

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Superman has fucked the same bitch more times than that hippy ever will.

I watched the movie Pathfinder. You know what I learned?

Slingshots > Invading horde of Vikings

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:

Superman has been physically injured by guys like Mongol, Doomsday, Darkseid, Captain Marvel, and Lobo. All these guys have hit hit hard enough to push through his “invulnerability”. Thor has to strength to do the same.

Now if you add Magical power behind it, like Captain Marvel or Mjolnir, then Superman takes the damage like a normal human being would. So the Magical attacks or object will cut through the “force field” and hurt him severely. And then you factor in the strength of the people using the mystical item, Superman should be dead within a few blows.

Martian Manhunter has the same powers as Superman, plus a bunch more, and when he gets hit with fire, he crumbles! Because he’s weak against fire! Common fucking sense!

Superman is hit with Kyrptonite, Magic, or Red Sun = Superman crumbles. Common fucking sense.

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Superman T-Shirts > Thor T-Shirts

Superman T-Shirts
http://www.superherostuff.com/characters/Superman/Superman.html

Thor T-Shirts

Final Talley
Superman: 73 Thor: 6

Which is exactly the same as the Superman vs Thor Win-Loss-Draw Record
Superman 73-6-3

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[quote]Bujo wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Bujo wrote:
Like he ever had a chance of loosing to that long haired hippy.

That long haired hippy has kicked more ass and fucked more bitches and earned more respect than that S-Curl wearing, goat fucking fag ever will.

Superman has fucked the same bitch more times than that hippy ever will.

I watched the movie Pathfinder. You know what I learned?

Slingshots > Invading horde of Vikings[/quote]

I would watch a movie about farmers in Kansas, but I don’t think anyone is willing to waste enough money on filming dirt farmers. Vikings are renowned for their battle skills, battle tactics, and craftsmanship.

Thor has been smashing random chicks for millenniums. And his main bitch, Sif, is hotter than Lois;/Lana and she would beat both their asses.

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[quote]Bujo wrote:
WolBarret wrote:

Superman has been physically injured by guys like Mongol, Doomsday, Darkseid, Captain Marvel, and Lobo. All these guys have hit hit hard enough to push through his “invulnerability”. Thor has to strength to do the same.

Now if you add Magical power behind it, like Captain Marvel or Mjolnir, then Superman takes the damage like a normal human being would. So the Magical attacks or object will cut through the “force field” and hurt him severely. And then you factor in the strength of the people using the mystical item, Superman should be dead within a few blows.

Martian Manhunter has the same powers as Superman, plus a bunch more, and when he gets hit with fire, he crumbles! Because he’s weak against fire! Common fucking sense!

Superman is hit with Kyrptonite, Magic, or Red Sun = Superman crumbles. Common fucking sense.

Superman T-Shirts > Thor T-Shirts

Superman T-Shirts
http://www.superherostuff.com/characters/Superman/Superman.html

Thor T-Shirts

Final Talley
Superman: 73 Thor: 6

Which is exactly the same as the Superman vs Thor Win-Loss-Draw Record
Superman 73-6-3 [/quote]

If you want to go by T-shirt purchases and popularity, that means:

Wolverine > DC and Marvel Universe

“Wolverine has a healing factor and sharp knives, he’ll cut Superman’s heart”

So if you want to go by popular vote, than go ahead and fuck yourself. The popular majority also believe Wolverine and Batman could become at tag team and beat Firestorm, Nate Grey, Spectre, and Mephisto all at the same time.

Thanks for the website, I found another cool place to buy Thor shirts to wear.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:

If you want to go by T-shirt purchases and popularity, that means:

Wolverine > DC and Marvel Universe

Thanks for the website, I found another cool place to buy Thor shirts to wear.

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Wolverine only has 24 Shirts, well 23, one of them is a Gambit shirt. Obviously Wolverine is not as kool as you make him out to be. Shheeeesh, you fan bois.

Blackest Night T-Shirts > Thor T-Shirts

They need to rename “Green Lantern” T-Shirts to “Hal Jordan” T-Shirts. Fuck Hal Jordan. Where’s Kilowog?

Kilowog > Thor

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
… Sif, is hotter than Lois;/Lana and she would beat both their asses.[/quote]

I think I have that issue of Heavy Metal.

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[quote]Bujo wrote:
Magic accounts for about half of the DC Universe and about 30-40% of Marvel. Magic is no more a deus ex machina than Iron Man being able to scientifically define and manipulate Spider-Man’s precognitive spider sense (Iron Man: Civil War). As a plot device magic is held to the same standards as science or any thing else. Otherwise Dr Fate or Dr Strange could just come swooping in to save the day with whatever spell was required.

Superman is invulnerable. Magic manifested in a physical form still has to overcome Supes’ invulnerability. Hitting him with a magic hammer is just like hitting him with a regular hammer, except the hammer doesn’t break against old Supes’ hard head. Magic doesn’t mean his bones suddenly become brittle or fragile.

There is a magically enhanced knife in the DC Universe (Wonder Woman may have it now) that may have the ability to cut Superman, now whether that is like cutting thru a brick wall with a ka-bar, I don’t know. If Supes simply crumpled before all things magic, then a talking chimp detective could be the death of the Big Blue Boy Scout.

Superman is probably as vulnerable to magic that manifests itself differently like reality shifts or Zatanna’s “namrepus pots” spell as anyone else.

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Examples?

Deus ex machina by definition is unexplained. If it is science, even in the world of fiction, it is explained.

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[quote]Bujo wrote:
WolBarret wrote:

If you want to go by T-shirt purchases and popularity, that means:

Wolverine > DC and Marvel Universe

Thanks for the website, I found another cool place to buy Thor shirts to wear.

Wolverine only has 24 Shirts, well 23, one of them is a Gambit shirt. Obviously Wolverine is not as kool as you make him out to be. Shheeeesh, you fan bois.

Blackest Night T-Shirts > Thor T-Shirts

They need to rename “Green Lantern” T-Shirts to “Hal Jordan” T-Shirts. Fuck Hal Jordan. Where’s Kilowog?

Kilowog > Thor
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Popularity: Batman and Wolverine > Thor, Superman, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, or Kilowog

First of all, only 4 people in this forum knows who Kilowog is. Second of all, if you want to go by popularity votes, that means that Wolverine beating Lobo in a bar fight in Marvel vs DC was legit. Third, how can you say Fuck Hal Jordan? He was cool even before he became Parallax.

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Magic doesnt hurt him as bad as kryptonite would. Its just the fact that it actually does hurt him unlike mostly anything else. for example whenever hes fought captain marvel and hes hit him with the lighting after grabs on to his back and calls out shazam it yes hurts him but he usually ends up winning despite that.

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[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
Magic doesnt hurt him as bad as kryptonite would. Its just the fact that it actually does hurt him unlike mostly anything else. for example whenever hes fought captain marvel and hes hit him with the lighting after grabs on to his back and calls out shazam it yes hurts him but he usually ends up winning despite that.[/quote]

His Invulnerability is due to his force field. But magic disrupts the force field and goes right through it, attack his actually flesh and bone as if he were a regular human.

So if someone was wielding a mystical weapon, had mysticals, and struck Supes, he feels that hit and it should cut right through him or give him the maximum amount of damage. Which should put him down.

Hell, the mother fucker got shanked damn near to death by Kumar in the Superman movie. Granted, the island was full of kryptonite and it was a movie. But somehow, Superman managed to lift a island full of kryptonite and toss it into space.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:

Popularity: Batman and Wolverine > Thor, Superman, Hal Jordan, Kyle Rayner, or Kilowog

First of all, only 4 people in this forum knows who Kilowog is. Second of all, if you want to go by popularity votes, that means that Wolverine beating Lobo in a bar fight in Marvel vs DC was legit. Third, how can you say Fuck Hal Jordan? He was cool even before he became Parallax.

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Third of all. I like Hal Jordan, and I’m glad he’s alive again. I was just annoyed the their were only Hal Jordan T-Shirts and no Kilowog or Mogo T-Shirts. As if Hal is the ONLY Green Lantern.

Second of all. Screw popularity. I didn’t start an obsession with video games and comic books to be popular. However, I believe that there is a direct correlation between the number of T-Shirt designs available and the sheer awesomeness of a comic book character.

First of all. See Pic Above, Poozer.