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I guess DC/Marvel crossovers are legit
[quote]ComixGuy wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
ComixGuy wrote:
Already happened in a George Perez crossover between the JLA and Avengers. Supes beat Thor, but said he was the single toughest opponent he had ever fought. After the rest of the Avengers look over from their battles and see that he beat Thor, they all jump Superman and stomp him to the ground. The villians in the story that dupe them into fighting each other are Kronos (DC) and Gamesmaster (Marvel). This is classic Supes vs classic Thor.
Look it up.
So why is it that Superman is weak against magic and kryptonite, but when he’s about to get smashed by one of the most powerful mystical items in the Marvel Universe(Mjolnir), Superman grabs it flat side and holds it. Superman is vulnerable to Magic just like any normal human being. So he would have taken that hit like any normal human being. He should have died.
If George Perez actually used the weakness to magic trait that Superman has, the Hammer would have smashed through him and broke Supes in half.
Also, at the end of the crossover, you have Superman holding Wonder Woman’s Lasso, Thor’s Hammer, and Captain America’s shield. It shouldn’t have been called “JLA vs Avengers”, it should have been called “Fuck comic book history, Superman will win regardless if it makes sense or not”
A pure one on one brawl: Thor wins. Better fighter, same stats as his opponent, and a Hammer plays into the opponents WEAKNESS to magic.
Wol,
I admire your commitment towards one hero, but you are forgetting a couple of things. 1) Marvel, who has a much greater vested interest than your allegiances, agreed to this. So I think we should not dismiss this so readily. 2) You and others have stated the problem with Superman is his powers have changed over time. Thor’s powers have changed as well. Initially, Thor could not really fly. He threw his hammer and held on to it. It was one-way only and one-direction only. The only way he could levitate was to spin the hammer really fast. Now he controls his flights, ie turns in midair, stops in midair without using the hammer to do so. He also gained dimensional powers that werenâ??t originally shown. He also had to spin the hammer to block bullets, other projectiles and explosives that now he can withstand with just his body. He also has gained strength from his initial inception. And he has his own deus ex machina - a beserker rage. By the way, I am not talking about skyfather Thor or anything else, just classic.
As far as the magic thing, yes I think DC has repeatedly handled that one poorly and I have never really understood its implications nor do I think they do. I mean what is to stop someone from magically teleporting something super hard and dense, or a rock of kryptonite, inside Supes brain? Or the same thing done to the Hulk, or Thor. Or just teleporting their brains out of their bodies. No one survives that one. I hate magic in comics it f***s everything up.
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Initially, Superman was strong enough to stop a train, but nothing more. He was faster than a speeding bullet, but not faster than the speed of sound or light. He could leap over tall buildings, but he couldn’t fly. So eventually, Superman had his powers amped up.
I can understand heroes being de-powered or given extra power through logical storylines. For example, when one of Thor’s villains from Asgard placed a curse on him so that his bones were brittle, he had to wear a special suit of Armor to withstand damage and not break every bone in his body. Or when Wolverine had all his adamantium ripped off and his healing factor was working at 100 percent capacity since it didn’t have to work so hard to keep him alive. This all makes sense.
But I disagree with Superman being a given a force field for concrete reason. I disagree with giving Superman a healing factor for concrete reason(this happened recently in a Superman/Batman comic where Supes got stabbed with a kryptonite, Bats pulled it out, and then Supes healed within seconds, stating “My healing factor kicked in and saved me”.
Thor’s power upgrades make sense. He’s the next in line to be Sky Father when Odin dies. Once that happens, he’ll be granted additional powers and he will be upgraded it. It makes sense.
His Hammer always had dimensional powers.
Thor by himself
-Strength
-Durablity
-Speed
-Combat experience
-Agility
-Warrior Madness(a better version of Beserker rage. I’m pretty sure Thor did this before Wolverine ever did. Probably around the early 80’s)
-Control over the elements of the storm(lightning, thunder, wind, rain, etc) he’s the God of Thunder for a reason. If Storm can manipulate the weather to help her fly, Thor can do it 10 time better and with less work
Thor’s Hammer Mjolnir
-Flight
-Opening Dimensional portals(Yes, he used to do this)
-Energy blasts
-I can’t describe this in words, but this is something he did to beat Juggernaut in a comic in the late 80’s. Juggernaut had a force field around his body which made it difficult for Thor to hurt him. Juggs beat Thor the first fight. But in the second fight, Thor threw his hammer to sky and circled either the planet or Cytorak(Juggs Power source) to block off the force field power that he was receiving. Thor had 60 seconds to beat Juggs ass barefisted. And that’s exactly what he did. Thor beat his ass and even punched off his helmet. And then he used Mjolnir to carry Juggs to a distance asteroid and left him there.
-There are other mystical powers that the hammer has, but I can’t remember them all. I’ll ask my friend what else Thor’s Hammer could do Pre-SkyFather upgrade. And he has the comics in his book shelf to prove it.
Classic Thor/Superman: Late 1970’s to 2003. That’s the version I’m talking about. Also, I AM NOT INCLUDING SILVER AGE SUPERMAN OR EARTH 3 SUPERMAN OR RED SUN SUPERMAN OR THE ANY OTHER SUPERMANS. I’m speaking about the normal continuity Superman from Post Crisis 1986-2003 Supes.
One last thing about Superman’s power( I’m basing this on the 1986-2003 Superman, which I consider classic)
-Flight
-Strength
-Speed
-Durablity
-Heat laser eyes
-Freezing breath
-Hurricane breath
-Solar Absorbtion
He’s a bad ass. But he also has weaknesses
-Kyrptonite
-Magic
-Red Sun
If any of these three hit him, he should be fucked up. Just like if Martian Manhunter fell into a bonfire, he is fucked up. Just like if Batman actually got shot, he should be fucked up. In the JLA/Avengers crossover, Superman grabbed a mystical hammer(Mjolnir) that had the force of someone as strong as him behind it(Thor). He should have died. Give me a sledgehammer that’s made of fire and I’ll let you grab it open handed while I swing at you. And at the end of that comic, all the super heroes went down and the last one to fight the boss was Superman carrying Mjolnir, Cap’s shield, and Wonder Woman’s lasso. Bullshit. I may be wrong about the lasso, though.
