Superman vs Thor

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[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
Agressive Napkin wrote:
I’m going to preface this by saying I don’t know shit about comic books.
This has got me curious as to who you think is the most powerful comic book character ever? Is it between Thor, Hulk and Superman, or is there some galactic badass out there who I’m not familiar with?

Probably Galactus or the Living Tribunal. Thanos is pretty high up there too[/quote]

Technically the Celestials (Space Gods) I guess, even the Elders are more powerful than Galactus.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
clip11 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
ComixGuy wrote:
Already happened in a George Perez crossover between the JLA and Avengers. Supes beat Thor, but said he was the single toughest opponent he had ever fought. After the rest of the Avengers look over from their battles and see that he beat Thor, they all jump Superman and stomp him to the ground.

The villians in the story that dupe them into fighting each other are Kronos (DC) and Gamesmaster (Marvel). This is classic Supes vs classic Thor.

Look it up.

So why is it that Superman is weak against magic and kryptonite, but when he’s about to get smashed by one of the most powerful mystical items in the Marvel Universe(Mjolnir), Superman grabs it flat side and holds it. Superman is vulnerable to Magic just like any normal human being. So he would have taken that hit like any normal human being. He should have died.

If George Perez actually used the weakness to magic trait that Superman has, the Hammer would have smashed through him and broke Supes in half.

Also, at the end of the crossover, you have Superman holding Wonder Woman’s Lasso, Thor’s Hammer, and Captain America’s shield. It shouldn’t have been called “JLA vs Avengers”, it should have been called “Fuck comic book history, Superman will win regardless if it makes sense or not”

A pure one on one brawl: Thor wins. Better fighter, same stats as his opponent, and a Hammer plays into the opponents WEAKNESS to magic.

A logical explanation might be andrenaline. Someone might normally be a pussy fighter, but when they feel real angry or in danger they can fight all of a sudden.

Ok. Let’s take a farm boy from Kansas and have him fight one of the best Viking warriors known to man.

One knows how to bail hay.

The other knows how to kill a man or beast with or without weapons, lead a raid or a troop of warriors against enemies, and has spent his ENTIRE life fighting.

Viking wins.[/quote]

The viking might lose if this farmboy can throw punches that can shatter mountains and move at the spped of light though.

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[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
Agressive Napkin wrote:
I’m going to preface this by saying I don’t know shit about comic books.
This has got me curious as to who you think is the most powerful comic book character ever? Is it between Thor, Hulk and Superman, or is there some galactic badass out there who I’m not familiar with?

Probably Galactus or the Living Tribunal. Thanos is pretty high up there too[/quote]

Talking about the the most powerful comic book characters gets pretty lame imo…it is not cool when someone can’t be beat.

The Living Tribunal should be second only to the ‘One Above All.’ Just an FYI.

By the way, Thor kicks ass. The current Thor would beat Super Man and the Hulk.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
clip11 wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
ComixGuy wrote:
Already happened in a George Perez crossover between the JLA and Avengers. Supes beat Thor, but said he was the single toughest opponent he had ever fought. After the rest of the Avengers look over from their battles and see that he beat Thor, they all jump Superman and stomp him to the ground.

The villians in the story that dupe them into fighting each other are Kronos (DC) and Gamesmaster (Marvel). This is classic Supes vs classic Thor.

Look it up.

So why is it that Superman is weak against magic and kryptonite, but when he’s about to get smashed by one of the most powerful mystical items in the Marvel Universe(Mjolnir), Superman grabs it flat side and holds it. Superman is vulnerable to Magic just like any normal human being. So he would have taken that hit like any normal human being. He should have died.

If George Perez actually used the weakness to magic trait that Superman has, the Hammer would have smashed through him and broke Supes in half.

Also, at the end of the crossover, you have Superman holding Wonder Woman’s Lasso, Thor’s Hammer, and Captain America’s shield. It shouldn’t have been called “JLA vs Avengers”, it should have been called “Fuck comic book history, Superman will win regardless if it makes sense or not”

A pure one on one brawl: Thor wins. Better fighter, same stats as his opponent, and a Hammer plays into the opponents WEAKNESS to magic.

A logical explanation might be andrenaline. Someone might normally be a pussy fighter, but when they feel real angry or in danger they can fight all of a sudden.

Ok. Let’s take a farm boy from Kansas and have him fight one of the best Viking warriors known to man.

One knows how to bail hay.

The other knows how to kill a man or beast with or without weapons, lead a raid or a troop of warriors against enemies, and has spent his ENTIRE life fighting.

Viking wins.

The viking might lose if this farmboy can throw punches that can shatter mountains and move at the spped of light though.[/quote]

That Viking can throw punches that shatter mountains and when wielding the hammer, he can move beyond the speed of light(he can also swing the hammer at the same speed) and without the hammer, he’s fast enough to catch Quick silver, who moves at the speed of sound.

Superman and Thor have physical attributes that are very close to one another. The difference is the fighting skill and experience, the additional powers that Mjolnir has on its own, and the mystical nature of the hammer Mjolnir. And you could also add in that Thor is a God, so he is a mystical being. Mystical = Magic. Magic = Superman loses.

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[quote]Bujo wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
Thor will whip that ass. Now before any of this gets too personal, let’s make sure we can stay friends after this Comic book thread is dead and gone.

I’m just pushing buttons. I never read the full Rulk arc. Never knew what happened after the Rulk vs Thor fight on the moon.

Did you see the Deadpool vs Sabertooth fight? Sabertooth got whipped. What a pussy.

God, they let Sabretooth lose…jesus. Deadpool is a respectable fighter and it doesn’t bother me too much. But that’s cool. Sabretooth will hunt him down next year and kill the Merc with a mouth.

Did you see how Wolverine blinded the Rulk and a Red She Hulk came in to save him?

Sighs

It wasn’t much of a fight. Deadpool starts by unloading a couple uzis into Sabertooth, and in true Deadpool comedic style continues unloading for several panels over a couple pages. By the time Deadpool runs out of ammo and Sabertooth starts to heal up the island they are on blows up.

Red She-Hulk? What? Now I know you’re just making shit up. [/quote]

At least he was smart and short Sabretooth from a distance. Very smart. But once he ran out of bullets, I think Sabretooth would have ended it.

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Sabretooth is so much more badass than Wolverine. Wolverine used to be cool, but has been ruined beyond all comprehension by the movies, fanboys and shit writers. Wolverine could have been an amazing IP, rivalling even Batman, but everyone forgot the point of what he was supposed to be about. Sabretooth now = Wolverine 15 years ago.

The fact that Sabretooth kicks Logan’s ass every year on his birthday just to remind him who’s boss shows that it’s Sabretooth who is holding all the cards.

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If the MFn Executioner can hold the gates of Hel by himself, then Thor, Son of Odin, will drop the former Last Son like a farmboy at a viking fight.

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Some more interesting fights would be:

Batman vs Nite Owl II

Punisher vs The Comedian

Human Torch vs Martian Manhunter

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[quote]DeadPunk wrote:
Heracles_rocks wrote:
wolbarret, thanks for the sites.

deadpunk, is the marvel digital collection at the marvel website?

It is yeah, not free but has thousands of comics on there for $60 per year

http://marvel.com/digitalcomics/

The best way of catching up with the old stuff in my opinion.[/quote]

I’m interested in subscribing to the annual plan, but I’m not gonna have a good internet connection this december and april-may. Is it possible to download the comics so I can read them without being online? The website said that we don’t need to download them, but if we want to, can we? Thanks

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:

Human Torch vs Martian Manhunter[/quote]

That wouldn’t even be fun. Martian would just be owned in 0.2 seconds.
Human Torch is all about fire and what is Martians weakness…yes you guessed it; Fire.

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[quote]Taufiq wrote:
DeadPunk wrote:
Heracles_rocks wrote:
wolbarret, thanks for the sites.

deadpunk, is the marvel digital collection at the marvel website?

It is yeah, not free but has thousands of comics on there for $60 per year

http://marvel.com/digitalcomics/

The best way of catching up with the old stuff in my opinion.

I’m interested in subscribing to the annual plan, but I’m not gonna have a good internet connection this december and april-may. Is it possible to download the comics so I can read them without being online? The website said that we don’t need to download them, but if we want to, can we? Thanks [/quote]

I think that’s a no on dl’ing the comics, you could wait until december and then see how long it takes for one of the preview comics to load though, even on a slow connection I can’t see it taking more than a minute per comic, plus you can start reading as each page loads anyway.

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I need some help from my fellow comic geeks. I read the main arc of Marvel Civil War, and never got to see the return of Thor. I hear that Thor came down and fucked up iron man for the BS he pulled during the Civil War arc. Can someone direct me to the issues that takes place in. Also the issues where Thor gets the Odinforce. I must analyze this info and give a serious answer to the question.

Wolbarret is a Comic book guru but a bias bastard. If we said Superman vs Punisher he would say the punisher would win. So I need to do my homework in order to to answer this question. There are some versions of Superman that are past godlike like Superman Prime, or the Superman that flew through the sun and was uberpowerful but lost his humanity. I mean Thor fights a bunch of Construction workers (The wrecking crew) and has a hard time dealing with them. So I need some hard evidence.

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[quote]Billy Whizz wrote:
RTJenforcer wrote:

Human Torch vs Martian Manhunter

That wouldn’t even be fun. Martian would just be owned in 0.2 seconds.
Human Torch is all about fire and what is Martians weakness…yes you guessed it; Fire.
[/quote]

I was thinking along the lines of Manhunter being a lot faster than Torch- in hindsight perhaps not the best of matches.

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:

I mean Thor fights a bunch of Construction workers (The wrecking crew) and has a hard time dealing with them. So I need some hard evidence.[/quote]

When Thor fights The Wrecking Crew, they are magically empowered- this is where Thor can struggle, as when he fights Loki, or other Asgardian enemies. The point in Thor having the upper hand over Supes is that Superman is just as vulnerable as anyone to magical atacks, no matter whether he can fly through the sun or not. Superman’s powers are rooted in the physical sciences; whereas in comics, magical powers are outside the realm of science and don’t give a shit about how much you can lift or how hard your skin is, or how fast you can fly, or how much energy you can absorb from Earth’s yellow sun. This is why he is vulnerable to them, and why Thor vs Superman is a pointless contest. Take the fight out of the realms of the physical world and Superman is fucked.

Wol isn’t biased, he just knows the characters.

You want a scenario? They would probably grapple for a little bit and Thor would use Mjolnir to cave Kal-El’s head in.

Simples!

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:

I need some help from my fellow comic geeks. I read the main arc of Marvel Civil War, and never got to see the return of Thor. I hear that Thor came down and fucked up iron man for the BS he pulled during the Civil War arc. Can someone direct me to the issues that takes place in. Also the issues where Thor gets the Odinforce. I must analyze this info and give a serious answer to the question.

Wolbarret is a Comic book guru but a bias bastard. If we said Superman vs Punisher he would say the punisher would win. So I need to do my homework in order to to answer this question. There are some versions of Superman that are past godlike like Superman Prime, or the Superman that flew through the sun and was uberpowerful but lost his humanity. I mean Thor fights a bunch of Construction workers (The wrecking crew) and has a hard time dealing with them. So I need some hard evidence.[/quote]

His return and rise to his current power is Straczynski’s arc, they restarted counting the issues from #1:

http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=9199

There’s another two volumes after that, only one of which has been published so far.

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[quote]DeadPunk wrote:
Taufiq wrote:
DeadPunk wrote:
Heracles_rocks wrote:
wolbarret, thanks for the sites.

deadpunk, is the marvel digital collection at the marvel website?

It is yeah, not free but has thousands of comics on there for $60 per year

http://marvel.com/digitalcomics/

The best way of catching up with the old stuff in my opinion.

I’m interested in subscribing to the annual plan, but I’m not gonna have a good internet connection this december and april-may. Is it possible to download the comics so I can read them without being online? The website said that we don’t need to download them, but if we want to, can we? Thanks

I think that’s a no on dl’ing the comics, you could wait until december and then see how long it takes for one of the preview comics to load though, even on a slow connection I can’t see it taking more than a minute per comic, plus you can start reading as each page loads anyway.[/quote]

The connection is as bad as a dial-up connection, haha. I’ve just subscribed to the monthly plan. Thanks again for the link.

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Jezus would kick all of their asses

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[quote]Erasmus wrote:
Jezus would kick all of their asses[/quote]

Haha it’s been discussed in another thread.

Buddha > Jesus

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wow i feel out of the loop

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:

I need some help from my fellow comic geeks. I read the main arc of Marvel Civil War, and never got to see the return of Thor. I hear that Thor came down and fucked up iron man for the BS he pulled during the Civil War arc. Can someone direct me to the issues that takes place in. Also the issues where Thor gets the Odinforce. I must analyze this info and give a serious answer to the question.

Wolbarret is a Comic book guru but a bias bastard. If we said Superman vs Punisher he would say the punisher would win. So I need to do my homework in order to to answer this question. There are some versions of Superman that are past godlike like Superman Prime, or the Superman that flew through the sun and was uberpowerful but lost his humanity. I mean Thor fights a bunch of Construction workers (The wrecking crew) and has a hard time dealing with them. So I need some hard evidence.[/quote]

Sorry Pootie, I didn’t know you posted. I would have replied days ago.

Thor fought the Wrecking Crew. The leader is the Wrecker. One of Thor’s foes enchanted the Wrecker’s Crowbar, giving it mystical powers similar to Thor’s Hammer. Not only that, but it also gave him the strength and powers of an Asgardian. The Wrecker has a group of guys with him that can siphon off power from him and gain their own powers.

They’re pretty powerful. And that pic you posted…my brother used to own that comic and I read it as a kid. That might be the one where he and Hercules had a arm wrestling contest that ended in a stalemate.