Wasn’t Superman brought up to respect human life and understand what it is like to be human with all of our vulnerabilities?
Anybody with a god complex would shag all day and drink the rest, saving people isn’t a job to somebody like that unless they have been in a position of vulnerability themselves. His planet was destroyed and he is alone and we’re his only friends.
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Wasn’t Superman brought up to respect human life and understand what it is like to be human with all of our vulnerabilities?
Anybody with a god complex would shag all day and drink the rest, saving people isn’t a job to somebody like that unless they have been in a position of vulnerability themselves. His planet was destroyed and he is alone and we’re his only friends.[/quote]
Have you ever seen a toddler having a fit?
Do you know about the terrible twos?
Who is going to reign in Superbaby?
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Wasn’t Superman brought up to respect human life and understand what it is like to be human with all of our vulnerabilities?
Anybody with a god complex would shag all day and drink the rest, saving people isn’t a job to somebody like that unless they have been in a position of vulnerability themselves. His planet was destroyed and he is alone and we’re his only friends.[/quote]
I guess he’s resigned to dealing with us because he has no other option to bring back his planet and all he knows. I guess he’s just as vulnerable on his home planet as we are here, and through that respects us as a broken species, but I find it insane that he still wasn’t changed with the acknowledgement of his new-found powers on Earth. To not have even made one disastrous mistake and punch someone without thinking or kill some escaped convicts from a rolled over prison truck if they start murdering, if he has the capabilities to not allow himself to do that once ever, even with all the stress he’s under and the criticisms of people all around the world, I regret to compare him to humans, he’d be ridiculously more morally sound than any humans would be in a similar situation for such a length of time.
I know that he just has to deal with it because otherwise he’s alone and spinning his wheels for eternity unless he decides to plan out a route to another planet with life and try not to let the same thing happen, but his faith and appreciation for us as a species given his capabilities is still ridiculous.
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Wasn’t Superman brought up to respect human life and understand what it is like to be human with all of our vulnerabilities?
Anybody with a god complex would shag all day and drink the rest, saving people isn’t a job to somebody like that unless they have been in a position of vulnerability themselves. His planet was destroyed and he is alone and we’re his only friends.[/quote]
I guess he’s resigned to dealing with us because he has no other option to bring back his planet and all he knows. I guess he’s just as vulnerable on his home planet as we are here, and through that respects us as a broken species, but I find it insane that he still wasn’t changed with the acknowledgement of his new-found powers on Earth. To not have even made one disastrous mistake and punch someone without thinking or kill some escaped convicts from a rolled over prison truck if they start murdering, if he has the capabilities to not allow himself to do that once ever, even with all the stress he’s under and the criticisms of people all around the world, I regret to compare him to humans, he’d be ridiculously more morally sound than any humans would be in a similar situation for such a length of time.
I know that he just has to deal with it because otherwise he’s alone and spinning his wheels for eternity unless he decides to plan out a route to another planet with life and try not to let the same thing happen, but his faith and appreciation for us as a species given his capabilities is still ridiculous.[/quote]
Well, many did die in that battle. But maybe he views us as an extension of his Earth parents. Who’s says what could happen to a 50-60 yr old superman who has become jaded with the Human race. But he is still a young man, who loves is mom and respects his dad.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Wasn’t Superman brought up to respect human life and understand what it is like to be human with all of our vulnerabilities?
Anybody with a god complex would shag all day and drink the rest, saving people isn’t a job to somebody like that unless they have been in a position of vulnerability themselves. His planet was destroyed and he is alone and we’re his only friends.[/quote]
I guess he’s resigned to dealing with us because he has no other option to bring back his planet and all he knows. I guess he’s just as vulnerable on his home planet as we are here, and through that respects us as a broken species, but I find it insane that he still wasn’t changed with the acknowledgement of his new-found powers on Earth. To not have even made one disastrous mistake and punch someone without thinking or kill some escaped convicts from a rolled over prison truck if they start murdering, if he has the capabilities to not allow himself to do that once ever, even with all the stress he’s under and the criticisms of people all around the world, I regret to compare him to humans, he’d be ridiculously more morally sound than any humans would be in a similar situation for such a length of time.
I know that he just has to deal with it because otherwise he’s alone and spinning his wheels for eternity unless he decides to plan out a route to another planet with life and try not to let the same thing happen, but his faith and appreciation for us as a species given his capabilities is still ridiculous.[/quote]
Well, many did die in that battle. But maybe he views us as an extension of his Earth parents. Who’s says what could happen to a 50-60 yr old superman who has become jaded with the Human race. But he is still a young man, who loves is mom and respects his dad.
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I can appreciate his respect for John and Martha because of their unwavering kindness in being the ones to deal with the consequences of raising him and teaching him how to live as a person, but I can’t genuinely understand him having the same respect for literally everyone. A couple of whiny rich folk spouting jealous comments and abuse at him for year after year would be enough to drive any type of human mind to vindictive murder.
Superheroes are normally too nice and are forced to pay for the inefficiencies of their radical moral codes, with the return of old, yet still alive, villains creating more carnage and destruction. Superman is too nice, and I realise he is the ideal of a perfectly good superhero, but that comes with a host of very pronounced flaws that are impossible to fix with the kind of actions Superman takes. No person with the mental cognition of a human being would last to 50 before they got fed up, hell I’m surprised he didn’t accidentally butcher John when he was still a child.
It’s an imperfect position under the guise of something perfect and this pristine, golden image is no good anymore. It needs to get darker. I’ll have to see the movie before I can comment on the actions taken by him in that against Zod, but the way we’ve seen him deal with Lex Luthor in the past and sweep him under the rug only for him to rise again and commit more atrocities is just strange. To sacrifice hundreds/thousands of lives to avoid the cost of one and some constructed sense of moral high ground is ridiculous. And I appreciate that the flaw is relevant to superheroes far and wide, but Superman is the perfect example of it.
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
It’s an imperfect position under the guise of something perfect and this pristine, golden image is no good anymore. It needs to get darker. I’ll have to see the movie before I can comment on the actions taken by him in that against Zod, but the way we’ve seen him deal with Lex Luthor in the past and sweep him under the rug only for him to rise again and commit more atrocities is just strange. To sacrifice hundreds/thousands of lives to avoid the cost of one and some constructed sense of moral high ground is ridiculous. And I appreciate that the flaw is relevant to superheroes far and wide, but Superman is the perfect example of it.[/quote]
I would have killed that mofo, ten times over.
But then again, maybe Superman cares so little for a few dozends of thousands of deaths that his precious self image is more important to him?
One can only hope…
Plus, the whole series about the “Plutonian” is about a super hero with incredible powers who goes mad because he tries to be a boyscout.
Even better.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
It’s an imperfect position under the guise of something perfect and this pristine, golden image is no good anymore. It needs to get darker. I’ll have to see the movie before I can comment on the actions taken by him in that against Zod, but the way we’ve seen him deal with Lex Luthor in the past and sweep him under the rug only for him to rise again and commit more atrocities is just strange. To sacrifice hundreds/thousands of lives to avoid the cost of one and some constructed sense of moral high ground is ridiculous. And I appreciate that the flaw is relevant to superheroes far and wide, but Superman is the perfect example of it.[/quote]
I would have killed that mofo, ten times over.
But then again, maybe Superman cares so little for a few dozends of thousands of deaths that his precious self image is more important to him?
One can only hope…
Plus, the whole series about the “Plutonian” is about a super hero with incredible powers who goes mad because he tries to be a boyscout.
Even better. [/quote]
Ooh that self image idea is something I’d love to see take form, die hard fans of this bastion character of sunshine and rainbows would hate and renounce it, but god damn if it wouldn’t be the most exciting thing to come of it in recent years.
Not heard of the Plutonian, I shall check it out, sounds like a nice twist on the Superman deal.
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
It’s an imperfect position under the guise of something perfect and this pristine, golden image is no good anymore. It needs to get darker. I’ll have to see the movie before I can comment on the actions taken by him in that against Zod, but the way we’ve seen him deal with Lex Luthor in the past and sweep him under the rug only for him to rise again and commit more atrocities is just strange. To sacrifice hundreds/thousands of lives to avoid the cost of one and some constructed sense of moral high ground is ridiculous. And I appreciate that the flaw is relevant to superheroes far and wide, but Superman is the perfect example of it.[/quote]
I would have killed that mofo, ten times over.
But then again, maybe Superman cares so little for a few dozends of thousands of deaths that his precious self image is more important to him?
One can only hope…
Plus, the whole series about the “Plutonian” is about a super hero with incredible powers who goes mad because he tries to be a boyscout.
Even better. [/quote]
Ooh that self image idea is something I’d love to see take form, die hard fans of this bastion character of sunshine and rainbows would hate and renounce it, but god damn if it wouldn’t be the most exciting thing to come of it in recent years.
Not heard of the Plutonian, I shall check it out, sounds like a nice twist on the Superman deal.[/quote]
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I had such high hopes for this movie, being a Zach Snyder and Christopher Nolan project I really thought they would nail this and establish this as a great franchise along the lines of the latest Batman trilogy. Sadly, this will most certainly not be the case.
I thought the movie was pretty bad from a story/script perspective. Terrible actually. Visually it was about as a good as CGI-Porn gets, but this was greatly overshadowed by the lackluster story for me. I walked out of the theater wishing I could have gotten my money back.
The plot was as cliche and predictable as could possibly be, and the acting, story, and dialogue for Zod was terrible the entire way through. Distractingly bad.
I didn’t think there was any depth to any of the characters except Clark’s dad, who we see for all of 5 minutes in the movie. I felt that they really missed a great opportunity here to delve further into the relationship between Clark, his dad, and the whole “if people find out who you are they will reject you” idea. Instead… As soon as they find out who he is, they embrace him right away. So that entire plot element, which was built up to be the MAIN idea of the movie, vanishes in a second.
The fight scenes were beyond boring because they established early on that punching and hitting Superman and Zod does nothing to them… and then they proceed to have them punch and hit each other for 10 minutes at a time. Again, it LOOKED amazing, but there was no sense that Superman had anything to lose. Ever.
In fact, There was NO sense of urgency or danger the entire length of the film. You know EXACTLY what is going to happen, when it is going to happen, and how they are going to deal with it.
Wait for it to hit your local dollar theater, See a Matinee, or rent it when it comes out later. I wouldn’t recommend paying full price for this movie.[/quote]
I agree with you.
The amount of punching through buildings was to me way too much. Including the fight with the new Non and Ursa in the streets of Smallville then you get a good 30 minutes of Transformers-level mind-numbing fighting. I guess people that play video games will be used to this sort of thing, but I needed more variety, and even then, the fight doesn’t need to be that long.
I never would have imagined there’d be a Superman movie where’d I’d enjoy all the parts where he’s Clark more than the parts where he’s Superman.
And there’s not one single funny thing in the whole movie.
[quote]Nards wrote:=
The amount of punching through buildings was to me way too much. Including the fight with the new Non and Ursa in the streets of Smallville then you get a good 30 minutes of Transformers-level mind-numbing fighting. I guess people that play video games will be used to this sort of thing, but I needed more variety, and even then, the fight doesn’t need to be that long.
I never would have imagined there’d be a Superman movie where’d I’d enjoy all the parts where he’s Clark more than the parts where he’s Superman.
And there’s not one single funny thing in the whole movie.[/quote]
Yeah, the sheer amount of punching/throwing was ridiculously long. This was a PERFECT example of a movie that would have been made much better by shaving 15-20 minutes off the beginning and end.
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I had such high hopes for this movie, being a Zach Snyder and Christopher Nolan project I really thought they would nail this and establish this as a great franchise along the lines of the latest Batman trilogy. Sadly, this will most certainly not be the case.
I thought the movie was pretty bad from a story/script perspective. Terrible actually. Visually it was about as a good as CGI-Porn gets, but this was greatly overshadowed by the lackluster story for me. I walked out of the theater wishing I could have gotten my money back.
The plot was as cliche and predictable as could possibly be, and the acting, story, and dialogue for Zod was terrible the entire way through. Distractingly bad.
I didn’t think there was any depth to any of the characters except Clark’s dad, who we see for all of 5 minutes in the movie. I felt that they really missed a great opportunity here to delve further into the relationship between Clark, his dad, and the whole “if people find out who you are they will reject you” idea. Instead… As soon as they find out who he is, they embrace him right away. So that entire plot element, which was built up to be the MAIN idea of the movie, vanishes in a second.
The fight scenes were beyond boring because they established early on that punching and hitting Superman and Zod does nothing to them… and then they proceed to have them punch and hit each other for 10 minutes at a time. Again, it LOOKED amazing, but there was no sense that Superman had anything to lose. Ever.
In fact, There was NO sense of urgency or danger the entire length of the film. You know EXACTLY what is going to happen, when it is going to happen, and how they are going to deal with it.
Wait for it to hit your local dollar theater, See a Matinee, or rent it when it comes out later. I wouldn’t recommend paying full price for this movie.[/quote]
I agree with you.
The amount of punching through buildings was to me way too much. Including the fight with the new Non and Ursa in the streets of Smallville then you get a good 30 minutes of Transformers-level mind-numbing fighting. I guess people that play video games will be used to this sort of thing, but I needed more variety, and even then, the fight doesn’t need to be that long.
I never would have imagined there’d be a Superman movie where’d I’d enjoy all the parts where he’s Clark more than the parts where he’s Superman.
And there’s not one single funny thing in the whole movie.[/quote]
I kinda disagree with Lonnie - The whole concept of Calrk being rejected by the human race when they found out about him wasn’t the case. It was a case of the time being right for him to come forward.
As seen when Jonathan died, it was a clear message to Clark that the time wasn’t right to reveal himself.
Also there was a slight rejection in the smallville fight scene when the military commander orders the army to attack all the off the ‘Aliens’. He is accepted once they realise he isn’t being hostile towards the humans.
@Nards: Yeah the fight scenes were long, but what else could they be? Superman was fighting to save the world, they were trying to kill Superman, what else would they do? Talk each other to death? Of course they are guna beat the hell out of each other as much as possible.
They couldn’t throw a couple of jabs and hooks n think hmm this isn’t working best go back to the mother ship. Why would they give up so easy.
I also liked Zod’s death, Superman is known for not killing, but he didn’t have a choice, i liked how it brought out a darker side to Superman.
As for the funny parts - yes there weren’t any, so what?
Batman was a joke from the original Tv series and all the 90’s films. Then the latest run of movies were very serious.
I understand that Superman is normally whitty n makes jokes etc, but i think if he acted like that in the man of steel it wouldn’t of fit the story and setting of the film.
Saying that i think a sequel would be a little less serious and the villain will be Lex.
So everyone can sit back then and watch superman make jokes and have a mind fight with Lex.
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I had such high hopes for this movie, being a Zach Snyder and Christopher Nolan project I really thought they would nail this and establish this as a great franchise along the lines of the latest Batman trilogy. Sadly, this will most certainly not be the case.
I thought the movie was pretty bad from a story/script perspective. Terrible actually. Visually it was about as a good as CGI-Porn gets, but this was greatly overshadowed by the lackluster story for me. I walked out of the theater wishing I could have gotten my money back.
The plot was as cliche and predictable as could possibly be, and the acting, story, and dialogue for Zod was terrible the entire way through. Distractingly bad.
I didn’t think there was any depth to any of the characters except Clark’s dad, who we see for all of 5 minutes in the movie. I felt that they really missed a great opportunity here to delve further into the relationship between Clark, his dad, and the whole “if people find out who you are they will reject you” idea. Instead… As soon as they find out who he is, they embrace him right away. So that entire plot element, which was built up to be the MAIN idea of the movie, vanishes in a second.
The fight scenes were beyond boring because they established early on that punching and hitting Superman and Zod does nothing to them… and then they
proceed to have them punch and hit each other for 10 minutes at a time. Again, it LOOKED amazing, but there was no sense that Superman had anything to lose. Ever.
In fact, There was NO sense of urgency or danger the entire length of the film. You know EXACTLY what is going to happen, when it is going to happen, and how they are going to deal with it.
Wait for it to hit your local dollar theater, See a Matinee, or rent it when it comes out later. I wouldn’t recommend paying full price for this movie.[/quote]
I agree with you.
The amount of punching through buildings was to me way too much. Including the fight with the new Non and Ursa in the streets of Smallville then you get a good 30 minutes of Transformers-level mind-numbing fighting. I guess people that play video games will be used to this sort of thing, but I needed more variety, and even then, the fight doesn’t need to be that long.
I never would have imagined there’d be a Superman movie where’d I’d enjoy all the parts where he’s Clark more than the parts where he’s Superman.
And there’s not one single funny thing in the whole movie.[/quote]
Hey Nards, what Was the name of that movie that had the Longest Fight Scene in Movie History? For the life of me I can’t seem to remember
Lonnie and Nards I think you two are just getting old.
Also I’ve heard that thing about “there were no funny parts” a bunch of places. I never even thought about that until other people started mentioning it. Who says there have to be funny parts? I dunno it just never bothered me I guess. I didn’t go to that movie for yucks.
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Wasn’t Superman brought up to respect human life and understand what it is like to be human with all of our vulnerabilities?
Anybody with a god complex would shag all day and drink the rest, saving people isn’t a job to somebody like that unless they have been in a position of vulnerability themselves. His planet was destroyed and he is alone and we’re his only friends.[/quote]
I guess he’s resigned to dealing with us because he has no other option to bring back his planet and all he knows. I guess he’s just as vulnerable on his home planet as we are here, and through that respects us as a broken species, but I find it insane that he still wasn’t changed with the acknowledgement of his new-found powers on Earth. To not have even made one disastrous mistake and punch someone without thinking or kill some escaped convicts from a rolled over prison truck if they start murdering, if he has the capabilities to not allow himself to do that once ever, even with all the stress he’s under and the criticisms of people all around the world, I regret to compare him to humans, he’d be ridiculously more morally sound than any humans would be in a similar situation for such a length of time.
I know that he just has to deal with it because otherwise he’s alone and spinning his wheels for eternity unless he decides to plan out a route to another planet with life and try not to let the same thing happen, but his faith and appreciation for us as a species given his capabilities is still ridiculous.[/quote]
Superman was made in an era where it was only the big real threats that mattered.
Nowadays you have graphic novels delving into the real world stuff such as cartels, child rapists and the like.
Not even the new Batman films delved into these. You would need a character such as Deadpool with an 18 rating to get this stuff onto the big screen. Not the clean cut Superman.
I did read a fan-made novel based on the Dc characters during a zombie apocalypse years ago. Superman was a zombie and the hoards followed him as he could sense where people were in hidden bunkers. He simply tore the doors off and ate them.
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Wasn’t Superman brought up to respect human life and understand what it is like to be human with all of our vulnerabilities?
Anybody with a god complex would shag all day and drink the rest, saving people isn’t a job to somebody like that unless they have been in a position of vulnerability themselves. His planet was destroyed and he is alone and we’re his only friends.[/quote]
I guess he’s resigned to dealing with us because he has no other option to bring back his planet and all he knows. I guess he’s just as vulnerable on his home planet as we are here, and through that respects us as a broken species, but I find it insane that he still wasn’t changed with the acknowledgement of his new-found powers on Earth. To not have even made one disastrous mistake and punch someone without thinking or kill some escaped convicts from a rolled over prison truck if they start murdering, if he has the capabilities to not allow himself to do that once ever, even with all the stress he’s under and the criticisms of people all around the world, I regret to compare him to humans, he’d be ridiculously more morally sound than any humans would be in a similar situation for such a length of time.
I know that he just has to deal with it because otherwise he’s alone and spinning his wheels for eternity unless he decides to plan out a route to another planet with life and try not to let the same thing happen, but his faith and appreciation for us as a species given his capabilities is still ridiculous.[/quote]
Superman was made in an era where it was only the big real threats that mattered.
Nowadays you have graphic novels delving into the real world stuff such as cartels, child rapists and the like.
Not even the new Batman films delved into these. You would need a character such as Deadpool with an 18 rating to get this stuff onto the big screen. Not the clean cut Superman.
I did read a fan-made novel based on the Dc characters during a zombie apocalypse years ago. Superman was a zombie and the hoards followed him as he could sense where people were in hidden bunkers. He simply tore the doors off and ate them.[/quote]
Yeah, I’m glad that the superhero stories are getting a little grittier, at least in comics if not on-screen. Hopefully one day some superheroes will start to get a little more anti-hero in order to not put up with the villain’s bullshit, but then of course have to deal with the consequences of that change also.
Loved the movie… but there are plot holes. And those bug me. This is supposed to be a realistic version of Superman IE like Batman
His clothes shred from earth, but yet his suit nor Zod’s does not?
He pulls a drone spy plane out of the sky to make a point to not track him, yet wears glasses to fool facial recognition software?
Tells the general he is from Kansas and if a reporter can piece together who he is. Who’s to say the NSA or CIA or Homeland could not do this? And still uses the name Clark Kent.
If they are going to break from the story a lease make it believable. But it was a good action movie 7.5/10
Really liked it. Funny how we can suspend beleif on an alien beign with godlike powers but have a hard time grasping the identity issue…
Anyways, the effects were really good and over all what to me was the most impressive part of the movie was the Casting. Cavil was a perfect visual reincarnation of superman. Zod was just on point, same with Jal El. That being said, no bueno on Amy Adams for Louis Lane. She isnt attractive enough to pull it off. Terri Hatcher had the Louis Lane look down. Adams… meh
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Terri Hatcher had the Louis Lane look down. Adams… meh [/quote]
Concur re: Adams. I really preferred the girl from Smallville.
Alright I will say this though, the two plot holes that really pissed me off were:
SPOILERS:
In MOST of the Superman origin stories, Brainiac is the AI that the whole population has complete and unquestioning faith in, and they rely on it for practically everything. Brainiac develops his own motives and becomes obsessed with preserving knowledge at the expense of lives. He lies to the Kryptonians about their planet’s unstable core so that he can upload his knowledge off world and save himself.
If he told the Kryptonians the truth he believes they would attempt to waste his energy looking for a solution or trying to save themselves, but he thinks it is more important to ensure the survival of Kryptons information than the people themselves. Only Kal-El distrusts him, and he manages to save his son, but no one else believes him until it is too late, and that’s why they all stayed and died.
In this movie however… I dunno. They were all just like “It’s our fault our planet is fucked up, let’s go down with this ship.” Or something? Ironically they only sent their criminals off-world to survive.