Superman...done right?

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I really liked the film. I don’t want to harp on the lack of story line because it’s already been said and We’ve been lacking an action packed supes movie that this one just needed to be made the way it was.

Likes:
Cavil as superman
Fight scenes
Kevin Costner’s adaptation as Pa Kent
The way Pa kent died
Supes new costume
every bit of Krypton
Fight scenes

Dislikes:
When the dude on the boat tackled superman
How easily it was for louis to find out who he was
the fact that louis found out who he was
no crystals or fortress of solitude
How Pa kent died
The quick wrap up ending

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THIS!!!
And the female Kriptonion was Amazing but not used enough. [/quote]

She was great in Pandorum. I’m surprised she hasn’t done more Hollywood movies.

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I really liked the film. I don’t want to harp on the lack of story line because it’s already been said and We’ve been lacking an action packed supes movie that this one just needed to be made the way it was.

Likes:
Cavil as superman
Fight scenes
Kevin Costner’s adaptation as Pa Kent
The way Pa kent died
Supes new costume
every bit of Krypton
Fight scenes

Dislikes:
When the dude on the boat tackled superman
How easily it was for louis to find out who he was
the fact that louis found out who he was
no crystals or fortress of solitude
How Pa kent died
The quick wrap up ending

[/quote]

THIS!!!
And the female Kriptonion was Amazing but not used enough. [/quote]

She was great in Pandorum. I’m surprised she hasn’t done more Hollywood movies. [/quote]

That was her?

I think Pandorum was her first movie. That whole movie surprised me.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I loved the movie. Maybe cause I was in a good mood and didnt read all the critical aspects prior to seeing it.

Best supes movie ever IMO.

Did people really not like it? [/quote]

I think most of the criticism came from comparisons with Batman. It suffered somewhat from trying to make up for the shortcomings in Superman Returns by pushing it too hard in certain areas (like with Hulk), but it was easily good enough to launch a franchise.

Really only three things annoyed me: the ‘voice of youth’ female captain who was just there to dumb it down for generation Youtube, the rushed ‘learning to fly’ scene, and the totally unnecessary and comically unimaginative explanation of how Kryptonians get their powers (apparently their cells suck up solar radiation. Did that really need to be stated twice?).

[quote]roybot wrote:
, and the totally unnecessary and comically unimaginative explanation of how Kryptonians get their powers (apparently their cells suck up solar radiation. Did that really need to be stated twice?).

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I give them much credit though for showing how “painful” it is to be on this planet at first with regards to becoming accustomed to the powers. You would think the comics would have done a better job of that over the years but this is the first time they’ve shown it like that.

And yeah…I liked how he first took off flying…but the redundant crash landing didn’t pay off with the funny.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
I really liked the film. I don’t want to harp on the lack of story line because it’s already been said and We’ve been lacking an action packed supes movie that this one just needed to be made the way it was.

Likes:
Cavil as superman
Fight scenes
Kevin Costner’s adaptation as Pa Kent
The way Pa kent died
Supes new costume
every bit of Krypton
Fight scenes

Dislikes:
When the dude on the boat tackled superman
How easily it was for louis to find out who he was
the fact that louis found out who he was
no crystals or fortress of solitude
How Pa kent died
The quick wrap up ending

[/quote]

THIS!!!
And the female Kriptonion was Amazing but not used enough. [/quote]

She was great in Pandorum. I’m surprised she hasn’t done more Hollywood movies. [/quote]

That was her?

I think Pandorum was her first movie. That whole movie surprised me.[/quote]

She did mostly German-language movies before Pandorum. Quite a debut.

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:
I think the way the story goes makes Pa Kent look like a fool.

We all know that Clark will be Superman so him fretting about not using his pwers and standing there and letting himself be killed by the tornado and CLark fucking letting him get killed all looks really stupid when he ends up becoming Superman and using his powers all the time.
It just seemed like a cheap way to create pathos.[/quote]

Wow Nards you are rough. It wasn’t about Clark never using his powers. It was More about him not losing his identity until he could handle how the human race would react. He would rather die than have his son be held up and examined as some freak not as a Super Alien but as Clark Kent Super Freak.[/quote]

Agreed. I saw it the same. They had no idea he was “SUPERMAN”. They just knew he was their son…who was from another planet…so if people found

out, they would take him and dissect him.

I could see him dying to protect that secret.
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Also, I thought it kind of helped to kind of fix one of the issues with Superman; he’s such a god-like power, it’s hard to see how he doesn’t just kill every bad
guy he sees with ease. Like how does this dude have such a strong moral compass, the ‘boy scout’ personality?

Then the seen with Pa dying, you see Clark stepping to go help him, and all Pa has to do is extend his hand and say ‘no’, and Clark listens. He respects his father THAT much. For me, that was significant. Really shows that Superman is Superman not because of his powers and abilities, but because of his fortunate upbringing by the Kents. [/quote]

Wow, that got deep

super deep

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
, and the totally unnecessary and comically unimaginative explanation of how Kryptonians get their powers (apparently their cells suck up solar radiation. Did that really need to be stated twice?).

[/quote]

I give them much credit though for showing how “painful” it is to be on this planet at first with regards to becoming accustomed to the powers. You would think the comics would have done a better job of that over the years but this is the first time they’ve shown it like that.

And yeah…I liked how he first took off flying…but the redundant crash landing didn’t pay off with the funny.[/quote]

Yeah. The crashes were really what killed that scene. Worked for Iron Man. Didn’t work here.

They handled certain aspects of it brilliantly. The basic idea of Clark having to hold back to seem normal was in previous screenplays (it was in JJ Abrams’ Superman: Flyby ). The sensory overload was fresh. That and Ma Kent talking about how Clark was a sickly baby was a good explanation of how he had the edge over several trained Kryptonian soldiers.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I loved the movie. Maybe cause I was in a good mood and didnt read all the critical aspects prior to seeing it.

Best supes movie ever IMO.

Did people really not like it? [/quote]

Quite a few didn’t like it…but I seem to be the only one here on T Nation that didn’t.

[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I loved the movie. Maybe cause I was in a good mood and didnt read all the critical aspects prior to seeing it.

Best supes movie ever IMO.

Did people really not like it? [/quote]

Quite a few didn’t like it…but I seem to be the only one here on T Nation that didn’t.[/quote]

Going to finally bite the bullet and see it tomorrow, just because my instincts tell me I’ll probably not like it either and then you have a friend in that lonely corner of yours. Or I might love it, and be just another father figure shouting cold obscenities at you from my home office. Metaphors…metaphors.

Bring earplugs!

Unless you’re under 30 that is.

[quote]Nards wrote:
Bring earplugs!

Unless you’re under 30 that is.[/quote]

45…in MD.
(hahahah U sir are one tough cookie )

It surprised me, well beyond my expectations. I thought it was cool Maximus Decimus Meridius being his biological father while The Bodyguard gave him life lessons and Morpheus knew all about the aliens.

Lois Lane had that fps headshot hack while holding a rifle for the first time, killing kryptons who were trained their all life to battle.

During a while i was wondering if the director wasn’t Michael Bay and if Optimus Prime was going to land there and kick some asses while the American army saves the day.

I give him a sound 6,7 for the good job done with a poor Super-hero they did some fun fights. Not even Hancock did so much damage to the city.

Now, i’ll just wait for a Red Son movie, then i guess i would love Superman.

Big Kahuna these guys agree with me.

[quote]Nards wrote:

Big Kahuna these guys agree with me.[/quote]

Half in the Bag is awesome, and I agreed with every point they made however I still somehow enjoyed the movie?

So i’m kinda half with you Nards in thinking the movies a piece of shit but I also enjoyed it…

Most of the paid critics did not enjoy it. Most of the public enjoyed it.

[quote]four60 wrote:
Most of the paid critics did not enjoy it. Most of the public enjoyed it.[/quote]
This is why I am wondering what the point of most movie critics is nowadays. In general they seem to share virtually no common opinions with the public at large, so who do they benefit?

No offense Kahuna. In all honesty you’re better than any of the people I read about getting paid to review movies rofl.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
Most of the paid critics did not enjoy it. Most of the public enjoyed it.[/quote]
This is why I am wondering what the point of most movie critics is nowadays. In general they seem to share virtually no common opinions with the public at large, so who do they benefit?

No offense Kahuna. In all honesty you’re better than any of the people I read about getting paid to review movies rofl.[/quote]

No worries friendo, you’re largely right.

A critic’s intent is to dissect the good and the bad of the movie from a somewhat specific but mostly general selection of categories that gain or lose priority determined by the director/producer and genre. I try to come to a conclusion based on things like Direction, Script, Set Production, Cinematography, Casting and Acting, Character design, Scene Significance and Genre Relevance/Conformity. Those are most of the big generalities that I tend to cover a film by, and they’ll serve me a basic idea of how good/bad it is as a whole, but then I filter it through things like budget, director experience (with both film-making and the genre at hand), the director’s intent and his personal opinions about what he’s made. Taking into account all of those second ones, they may gradually draw my opinions on the first set of categories into a slightly different territory. Sometimes the good will be a little worse in retrospect (the cast potential and chemistry making up for weak direction), and sometimes I will give the bad some more leeway (the cinematography being off due to a shallow budget).

A lot of the time us critics tend to play by logic and analysis when faced with a film and throw our instincts on a back-burner when some cheesy attention-drawing bullshit shows up (Michael Bay explosions anyone?). Sometimes a mass audience will do the exact opposite. Each party will get annoyed at the other for doing so, and rarely will either party swap sides too frequently. There are some films that I may rate a little lower as a critic that I appreciate greatly based on instinct, and a lot where the brilliantly made and wonderfully crafted films may seem boring outside of a state of analysis.

A shoddy director can rely on a shitty, yet loud movie to draw in profits even if the thing itself isn’t really anything at all from a logical perspective and most of the less experienced or not very passionate audience members will fall for it, that’s why M. Night Shyamalan and Michael Bay are still working. In reference to Man Of Steel, some of the spoilers I’ve heard do sound a little iffy, but the vast majority of people did like it and I don’t expect such a huge amount of people to jump in that direction with the hype so huge if it’s a bad movie, but I’ll really have to see it for myself and try to balance my logic and my emotional instinct before I come to a conclusion I feel is right (which I should do soon if I have the amount of time left over that I expect today).

Most of the time the critic will serve the more passionate and analytic of the audience, along with those involved in film-making, most notably the directors and producers of the films, but the distance between critical outcome and commercial outcome stems far and wide based on a different perspective of view. Anyway, I’ll probably jump more into this after I’ve seen Man Of Steel, I’ve been a little vague and there is a lot more to cover on the difference between an individual critic and a general populace’s reviews.

[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I loved the movie. Maybe cause I was in a good mood and didnt read all the critical aspects prior to seeing it.

Best supes movie ever IMO.

Did people really not like it? [/quote]

Quite a few didn’t like it…but I seem to be the only one here on T Nation that didn’t.[/quote]
I skipped reading all of this thread Nards, but what ruined it for you? If you dont mind me asking.

Like I said I went in with NO expectations. I was also off work with no phone, emails or texts from staff so I was in a grand mood.

[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
Most of the time the critic will serve the more passionate and analytic of the audience, along with those involved in film-making, most notably the directors and producers of the films, but the distance between critical outcome and commercial outcome stems far and wide based on a different perspective of view.[/quote]
Ah that makes a lot of sense actually. There isn’t always a gap, and in fact that’s usually how I can tell if something is a REALLY good movie. If it’s getting like an 85%+ from both critics and viewers then it’s a guaranteed win. I get annoyed (just like you said) sometimes though when critics are giving something like a fucking 15% and the audience is up at like 85% lol. I think those are virtually always the films where you need to approach them with a “let’s just have fun” mindset or at least a neutral mindset, and any attempt at analytics will more or less ruin it.