Everyone coming of thier first cycle, how much time are you planning on taking off before doing your second cycle, and would you concur to the fact that you would have to up the dosage second time around to make it as potent as the first? Oh and if anyone is planning a Phera-Plex/SD stack please post your post cycle feedback.
[quote]daddymc wrote:
Hugrafix wrote:
Guys one more question, from your experience do you think I should take the stack of Pheraplex and SD? I just got the shipment and want to be sure the chemical makeup of the two go OK together. I read on another board that these both have Meth compounds and would not be good together. I trust you guys over others so I just want to be sure I will not be putting myself in line for bad sides. If there is something else that I should stack with SD please let me know, I can use the Pheraplex in the next cycle if need be. Thank alot for all the advise.
If PP is a methyl, then I wouldn’t stack the two for very long if you value your liver. You could possibly go week 1 PP, week 2 PP & SD, week 3 PP & SD, and week 4 SD. I wouldn’t exceed 20mg per day on either. Make sure you have a good PCT plan and then consider bloodwork to see if you recovered afterwards. There isn’t much info on PP yet, so it’s hard to say. I’m interested in PP, but waiting to hear some results from others - don’t like using myself as a lab rat.[/quote]
“Phera-Plex can be used as a stand-alone to magnificent effect, or stacked with Superdrol to form a heavily potent cycle that will yield great gains in size and strength.”
I’m going to run superdrol again around mid-october at 30 mg. ed for 3 weeks.
Still waitin to see how others do with phera plex.
Whatever you do, don’t go by the doses recommended by the company selling superdrol and phera plex.
[quote]allout wrote:
Everyone coming of thier first cycle, how much time are you planning on taking off before doing your second cycle, and would you concur to the fact that you would have to up the dosage second time around to make it as potent as the first? Oh and if anyone is planning a Phera-Plex/SD stack please post your post cycle feedback.[/quote]
I plan on taking two months off - equal to the time I was taking SD + PCT. So, my next cycle will start at the beginning of November. I will probably go with E…Max and Prostanozol. My next SD cycle will probably be in Mar 06. I will likely increase my dosages and start at 20mg for 1 week and then increase to 30mg for weeks 2 & 3.
[quote]carter12 wrote:
Whatever you do, don’t go by the doses recommended by the company selling superdrol and phera plex. [/quote]
I think this is good advice if you value your liver. Their goal is to sell more product. They are not necessarily concerned with your health.
[quote]sam747 wrote:
trailer, you started yet?[/quote]
sam,
no i have not started yet. i plan on starting in about a month. i am just finishing up a bopttle of HOT-ROX and trying to have a pretty lean base on which to build from. then i want to slowly up my kcals so i will start superdrol when the kcal is above maintenance. how about you?
[quote]allout wrote:
Everyone coming of thier first cycle, how much time are you planning on taking off before doing your second cycle, and would you concur to the fact that you would have to up the dosage second time around to make it as potent as the first? Oh and if anyone is planning a Phera-Plex/SD stack please post your post cycle feedback.[/quote]
allout,
i would definitely wait at least 4 months between cycles. this is my opinion, some wait less, but i would want my body to completely return to its normal state before i hammered it with synthetic hormones again.
[quote]trailer36 wrote:
sam747 wrote:
trailer, you started yet?
sam,
no i have not started yet. i plan on starting in about a month. i am just finishing up a bopttle of HOT-ROX and trying to have a pretty lean base on which to build from. then i want to slowly up my kcals so i will start superdrol when the kcal is above maintenance. how about you?[/quote]
No, not yet. Trying to lean out some too. It may be a while yet.
Well Im no expert, but I just checked out the price of the Superdrol, for a cycle its gonna cost damn near $250 American!!! For that kind of money Id rather use a simple cycle of Dbol or Sustanon, Im sure the gains would be much greater. I have used pro-hormones before but never at $250 US a cycle!!!
You’re joking right?
For $250, you could get 3 cycles including PCT and other accessory supps.
BTW, this ain’t a prohormone. If you’ve actually read this thread you’ll realize by now it’s a designer steroid.
[quote]The Dmachine wrote:
Well Im no expert, but I just checked out the price of the Superdrol, for a cycle its gonna cost damn near $250 American!!! For that kind of money Id rather use a simple cycle of Dbol or Sustanon, Im sure the gains would be much greater. I have used pro-hormones before but never at $250 US a cycle!!![/quote]
Right on dude!! Dbol,Sustanon, now you’re talking, that Superdrol stuff is for pussies anyway, oh and by the way you’re right, you’re no expert.
[quote]carter12 wrote:
You’re joking right?
For $250, you could get 3 cycles including PCT and other accessory supps.
BTW, this ain’t a prohormone. If you’ve actually read this thread you’ll realize by now it’s a designer steroid.
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How can you do 3 cycles? It costs 60 bucks for a bottle of 60, even if you only pop 2 a day it will last you one month. The manufacturers recomend cycling up to 5 pills a day. If you want to do a 2 month cycle its gonna take at least 3 or 4 bottles. And I read the posts I know its not a pro-hormone but Im sure its not gonna be comparable in effectiveness to real gear.
[quote]The Dmachine wrote:
carter12 wrote:
You’re joking right?
For $250, you could get 3 cycles including PCT and other accessory supps.
BTW, this ain’t a prohormone. If you’ve actually read this thread you’ll realize by now it’s a designer steroid.
How can you do 3 cycles? It costs 60 bucks for a bottle of 60, even if you only pop 2 a day it will last you one month. The manufacturers recomend cycling up to 5 pills a day. If you want to do a 2 month cycle its gonna take at least 3 or 4 bottles. And I read the posts I know its not a pro-hormone but Im sure its not gonna be comparable in effectiveness to real gear.
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LMAO. A 2 month cycle???
And you say you’ve read the posts in this thread?
Have you done any research at all on Superdrol? No one, pops 5 pills a day of SD.
Do you even know who the manufacturer is? Where do they recommend 5 caps a day? They recommend a 6 week cycle and a taper to 4 caps a day - way too long and too high. You would know this if you had done any research, or maybe you hate your liver.
If you did any research you would know that SD is highly effective and comparable to real gear, especially in first-time users. Why do you think it requires a serious PCT plan?
If you’re too lazy to do the reseach, then you’re too lazy to use steroids and work out hard. Either that or you hate your body. People like you are the reason why prohormones are banned, and more and more supplements are under fire by Congress.
I found the sweet spot. 30mg a day 20 in the morning 10 at dinner. I wasnt seeing any gains at 10 or 20 within the first 9 days so I bumped it to 30 and 2 days later im hittin 20 more lb’s on bench and all my lifts are up.
My next cycle I’m gonna start at 10mg every 10 hours for 5 days then 30 a day thru 21-22 days. Maybe get an assistance supp like Protanazol or that new stuff phera phex.
BTW, for the post above, the bottle is 50$ and it comes with 90 caps. Enough to run almost two cycles of SD. thats about 30$ a cycle to jump 7-10lb’s of lean mass. Seems like worthwhile expense to me. The other stuff that usually accompinies it, should be stuff your already taking anyhow (besides nolva) and nolva is only like 25$.
Show me a steroid thats easy to get and only runs about 50$ for the whole cycle (including PCT) and adds 7-10lb with minimal side effects.
Hey of those who are using SD … How have you changed your workout… Who has kept it the same and noticed faster improvements and who has changed the volume and intensity… just askin I havent seen any posts of the types of workouts being used.
Donnie
[quote]daddymc wrote:
LMAO. A 2 month cycle???
And you say you’ve read the posts in this thread?
Have you done any research at all on Superdrol? No one, pops 5 pills a day of SD.
Do you even know who the manufacturer is? Where do they recommend 5 caps a day? They recommend a 6 week cycle and a taper to 4 caps a day - way too long and too high. You would know this if you had done any research, or maybe you hate your liver.
If you did any research you would know that SD is highly effective and comparable to real gear, especially in first-time users. Why do you think it requires a serious PCT plan?
If you’re too lazy to do the reseach, then you’re too lazy to use steroids and work out hard. Either that or you hate your body. People like you are the reason why prohormones are banned, and more and more supplements are under fire by Congress.[/quote]
Exactly. I couldn’t agree more.
It was only a matter of time until the first asshole posted something like that. I’m surprised it took this long.
[quote]OUToftheBOX wrote:
Hey of those who are using SD … How have you changed your workout… Who has kept it the same and noticed faster improvements and who has changed the volume and intensity… just askin I havent seen any posts of the types of workouts being used.
Donnie
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I kept training basically the same with slightly increased volume. The strength gains allowed for greater intensity so there wasn’t a need to up the volume that much.
Recovery was faster so I felt like I could train more often but just saved that energy for my scheduled workouts. Not saying this is the best way to go for everyone but it worked well for me.
[quote]OUToftheBOX wrote:
Hey of those who are using SD … How have you changed your workout… Who has kept it the same and noticed faster improvements and who has changed the volume and intensity… just askin I havent seen any posts of the types of workouts being used.
Donnie
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I did back to back workouts consisting of lower body one day and upper body the next, only taking sunday off, I did Mon: 8X3(per body part), Tues: 5X5, Wed: 5X12 then repeat. The 5x12 helped convalesce from the heavy load days, but I got enormous pumps on those day, so extreme that they were painfull and caused me to loose mobility, which made it hard navigating my vehicle post workout on upper body days. Usually my workout would consist of between 56 to 65 sets, and the results were ofcourse astonishing.
Oh and you abosuletly have to incorporate squats, deadlifts, rows, and heavy pressing, and yah squats too.
I just finished my first week of Phera Plex and am pretty happy with the results. Starting weight was 214 lbs and 6 days later I am at 222 lbs.
Currently taking
20 mg Phera Plex
6 tab fish oil
4 tab flax oil
2 NAC
2 Hawthorn
3 Milk Thistle
1 multi vitamin
I have not been keeping track of exactly what I am eating but am taking in anywhere between 4000 and 5000 cal, 250 to 300 g protein.
Today I brought in the Superdrol and will be stacking that with the Phera Plex at 20 mg each for the next two weeks and then tapper the PP off in week 4 and go just all SD for the final week.
I have not experienced any sides yet and have changed my workout to cover full body in two days. Monday Push, Tuesday Pull, Wed off, Thursday Push Friday Pull. Sat Sun off. I am going to stick with this until I feel like I can do more. Normally after my workouts I am tight, big pumps. I am very satisfied so far.
This is my first for any supps other than andro, creatine and glute. I also had high body fat when I started this and it seems to be going down. I was 21% when I started. I plan on getting HOT-ROX soon and will be cutting after this cycle is done. I will update soon.