Anyone have an opinion on using SD and a diet like either cyclical ketogenic or anabolic-type diet?
Is low blood sugar an issue?
I don’t think calorie intake would be compromised…
[quote]Hugrafix wrote:
I just finished my first week of Phera Plex and am pretty happy with the results. Starting weight was 214 lbs and 6 days later I am at 222 lbs.
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Thanks for the post Hugra.
Would you say you’ve experienced any increase in agression? How’s your libido? And, how about strength gains?
I have no increased aggression. In fact some guy flapped his arms at me today in traffic because I was 3 feet past the stop sign line and I just laughed at him. Normally I would have told him to F off or something.
Strength gains and stamina are definitly there. I stated in an earlier post that I was comming off of about a year break after a back injury. I was only benching about 225 and now I am able to put up 245. I know I am still weak but seems to be good increase. That may just be a placibo effect, I did that on day 2. I am seeing increases everywhere in both stregth and stamina.
I really have not noticed an increase in libido, hell I am always horney. I guess I was looking at some old lady I would never have looked at before =).
I am getting muscle pain in my left shoulder. I think it is just a strain. My roomate is really surprised by the change in my physique. My BF seems to be staying at about the same %. I really need to get that down once I have gone through this cycle. I will be looking forward to some recomendations on a good cutting cycle.
my update. 3 week cycle of SD and HOT-ROX. (supporting BP and Cholesterol supps too)
Starting weight: 218lb@19.4%
ending weight: 232lb@17.2%
That’s approximatetly 3lbs of fat lost, and 12lbs LBM gained.
My shoulder was strained going into the cycle, so my bench showed no improvement, but I did manage 405X3 for squats. My previous PR was 405X1
PCT is Nolvadex, Alpha Male, and Carbolin 19…plus supporting BP and Cholesterol supps too)
[quote]StrongMan wrote:
my update. 3 week cycle of SD and HOT-ROX. (supporting BP and Cholesterol supps too)
Starting weight: 218lb@19.4%
ending weight: 232lb@17.2%
That’s approximatetly 3lbs of fat lost, and 12lbs LBM gained.
My shoulder was strained going into the cycle, so my bench showed no improvement, but I did manage 405X3 for squats. My previous PR was 405X1
PCT is Nolvadex, Alpha Male, and Carbolin 19…plus supporting BP and Cholesterol supps too)[/quote]
Have you previously used an AAS?
I was thinking of a five days on and two days off cycle for four weeks. Would this work or should I take it every day for three weeks? Has anyone tried this?
[quote]payne66 wrote:
I was thinking of a five days on and two days off cycle for four weeks. Would this work or should I take it every day for three weeks? Has anyone tried this?[/quote]
i would go the complete three week route as SD is suppossed to have somehwta of a short half life. you dont want the active ingredient level to drop on the weekends. you’ll get more out of the 3 week straight method.
[quote]trailer36 wrote:
payne66 wrote:
I was thinking of a five days on and two days off cycle for four weeks. Would this work or should I take it every day for three weeks? Has anyone tried this?
i would go the complete three week route as SD is suppossed to have somehwta of a short half life. you dont want the active ingredient level to drop on the weekends. you’ll get more out of the 3 week straight method.[/quote]
I was thinking that it would give my liver a break by taking the weekend off. If it will impair gains then seven days a week it is.
A somewhat interesting question is, what is this compound?
That would be straightforward enough if the label told the truth, but I’m not sure that’s the case.
The label claim is that it is 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one.
This then would be a derivative of 17-methyl-DHT, also called mestanolone, an anabolic steroid and controlled substance.
Namely it would be the derivative that adds a methyl at the 2alpha (2a) position and omits the 17-hydroxy.
Now there’s two things here:
First, it’s very well established that removing the 17-hydroxy eliminates activity or reduces it to negligible levels. The reason for this is that the strongest single aspect of steroid binding to the androgen receptor is from hydrogen bonding between this hydroxyl and the corresponding part of the receptor. Get rid of the hydroxyl, and you don’t have a remotely effective anabolic anymore, reducing potency to less than 1% that of testosterone.
A second thing is, it would be expensive and I think not practical to produce such a compound. With the 17-hydroxy, this compound is very easy to make and should be cheap; without it, while technically it could be done it’s a much more difficult and expensive thing.
Or to say it shorter: It’s damn weird that this compound is supposedly lacking the 17-hydroxy. If it has any detectable anabolic effect, then it has to have the 17-hydroxy or a 17-ester or ether that converts to hydroxy.
So what is it then?
Well, if there is any truth to the label at all (which there may not be, particularly if one’s already concluded it to be untrue regarding the 17 position) then the closest thing would be that this product is 2a,17a-dimethyl-DHT.
Which clearly is chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone, just another of the countless “designer drugs” that can illegally be done.
The 2a-methyl substitution is a well-understood one, basically having little effect on potency but inhibiting conversion to the corresponding diol. No big deal really. If it is what they say it is except they “forgot” to mention the 17-hydroxy, forgot to say that it’s 2a-methyl-DHT, then it probably is a fairly fair anabolic steroid.
Why it is that anyone would prefer anabolic steroids with no track record and with no reason to believe there’s been any testing you’d put any confidence in to the ones that have great track records and often cost less, with both kinds being equally illegal, I’ve never followed myself. I would recommend the good stuff instead.
Of course, this compound may not be 2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-3-one (2a,17a-dimethyl-DHT) if the label is just a complete fabrication. But for the above reasons, I very much doubt that it is the compound they claim.
Perhaps the reason is to disguise from the law that it’s just a further methylated methyl-DHT? Who knows.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
A somewhat interesting question is, what is this compound?
That would be straightforward enough if the label told the truth, but I’m not sure that’s the case.
The label claim is that it is 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one.
This then would be a derivative of 17-methyl-DHT, also called mestanolone, an anabolic steroid and controlled substance.
Namely it would be the derivative that adds a methyl at the 2alpha (2a) position and omits the 17-hydroxy.
Now there’s two things here:
First, it’s very well established that removing the 17-hydroxy eliminates activity or reduces it to negligible levels. The reason for this is that the strongest single aspect of steroid binding to the androgen receptor is from hydrogen bonding between this hydroxy and the corresponding part of the receptor. Get rid of the hydroxy, and you don’t have a remotely effective anabolic anymore, reducing potency to less than 1% that of testosterone.
A second thing is, it would be expensive and I think not practical to produce such a compound. With the 17-hydroxy, this compound is very easy to make and should be cheap; without it, while technically it could be done it’s a much more difficult and expensive thing.
Or to say it shorter: It’s damn weird that this compound is supposedly lacking the 17-hydroxy. If it has any detectable anabolic effect, then it has to have the 17-hydroxy or has a 17-ester or ether that converts to hydroxy.
So what is it then?
Well, if there is any truth to the label at all (which there may not be, particularly if one’s already concluded it to be untrue regarding the 17 position) then the closest thing would be that this product is 2a,17a-dimethyl-DHT.
Which clearly is chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone, just another of the countless “designer drugs” that can illegally be done.
The 2a-methyl substitution is a well-understood one, basically having little effect on potency but inhibiting conversion to the corresponding diol. No big deal really. If it is what they say it is except they “forgot” to mention the 17-hydroxy, forgot to say that it’s 2a-methyl-DHT, then it probably is a fairly fair anabolic steroid.
Why it is that anyone would prefer anabolic steroids with no track record and with no reason to believe there’s been any testing you’d put any confidence in to the ones that have great track records and often cost less, with both kinds being equally illegal, I’ve never followed myself. I would recommend the good stuff instead.
Of course, this compound may not be 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one (2a,17a-dimethyl-DHT) if the label is just a complete fabrication. But for the above reasons, I very much doubt that it is the compound they claim.
Perhaps the reason is to disguise from the law that it’s just a further methylated methyl-DHT? Who knows. [/quote]
Well hello Mr Roberts, I havent seen you around here in a while but my tail is wagging now that we hopefully have you here. I am no expert on these compounds, just know what i have read about it from those more educated then myself (i.e. Patrick Arnold). they say that SD is a mix between anadrol and masteron (not even sure that can be done).
What do you think of all these new designer steroids? there are two others that come to mind which are Ergomax and Phera Plex. ergo has been confirmed by p. arnold to be DMT after a lab test and phera plex is another designer steroid by the same maker of SD. it has a similar chemical structure i believe (maybe a 3a-methyl sub?) i think the reason why “we” turn to them is that we do not have a source and these, for the time being, are legal. i think the mentality is that as long as someone has already lab-ratted it with success then all aboard. i am sure some of us played around with the idea of converting Fina but i am sure a lot of folks dont trust the whole injection route or their conversion techniques.
Also, how many other possible designer steroids could be produced within the current law? not sure if these had to stick within a certain chemical structure to be “legal” or what that structure might be.
thanks in advance for taking the time to help me and the others out.
[quote]allout wrote:
Have you previously used an AAS?
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No, I’ve only been liftin for 1.5 year, just a few MAG-10 cycles under my belt.
Personally, I liked the cycle. To compare it to a MAG-10 cycle, I’d say the MAG-10 cycle is effective, but the waterweight masks the gains…but I think I felt better on MAG-10, as the SD raised my Bloodpressure enough for me to notice my eye twitchin, which is why I decided to stop the cycle at the end of week3.
The other downside is worrying about the BP and cholesterol, it’s a serious concern. Based on my experience, I’d say stick to short cycles, and don’t go more than 30g/day.
I don’t know if this has been asked yet, and I read all the pages I think, but has anyone had any problem getting it past customs and into Canada?
Also, is there a particular version Superdrol someone should look for? What sites have most people bought off of? I figure that the item is not technically illegal, so a little bargain hunting shouldn’d be against the rules.
Thanks in advance!
Hi trailer, thank you for the kind words!
Well, on describing what this compound most probably is – assuming it is what the label claims except also having a 17-hydroxy that it doesn’t mention – I wouldn’t exactly call it a conceptual or structural “mix between Anadrol and Masteron” because it’s not the closest desciption but it does have merits as means of explaining it.
Both Anadrol and Masteron share the DHT skeleton, as does this.
Anadrol (oxymetholone) has a 17alpha methyl, which this does also but Masteron (dromostanolone) does not. So that would be the “Anadrol contribution” though of course the 17alpha-methyl is by no means peculiar to Anadrol: quite a number of anabolic steroids have it.
And Masteron has a 2alpha-methyl, which this compound also has, but Anadrol does not (instead having a 2-hydroxymethylene.)
So that description has some merit, but really methyl-DHT is a closer relation to what this compound presumably really is than Anadrol is. So I would describe it as methyl-DHT with another methyl added, that methyl being like the 2-methyl of Masteron.
As to how many such compounds can be produced within the law? None! I really can’t imagine any expert in pharmacology or medicinal chemistry testifying that this compound is not “chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone,” which is the present criterion for being a controlled-substance anabolic steroid.
But as to how many such “designer compounds” can be made regardless of legality, certainly there are at least several hundred options known in the literature, tested and rejected by drug companies as therapeutic drugs but perhaps still able to garner sales in the “supplement” market.
I can definitely understand your point about lacking sources as being a reason to go with these less-trustworthy compounds.
I personally would far, far rather use Fina than one of these virtually-no-track-record products, let alone one that they don’t even have the structure right on the label.
Actually I started writing another Q&A article a few months back with some “old leftover” questions, quite a few of which were on Fina and I was giving a better method of using it safely, but then I started thinking that no one seemed interested in that anymore, and TC agreed with me on that, so that never saw the light of day. Perhaps I should put it up as a post though especially seeing as how it’s written already?
I second trailers remarks
good to see that you are here.
I think that there are more than just a few of us that would be interested in that fina article
Hi Bill,
Per the “inventor” (sledge)
superdrol is
2a-17a-dimethyl of drostanolone (Masteron)
AKA
2a-17a-dimethyl of drostanolone (per post elsewhere)
It is against the spirit of the law, but not the letter since it is not on “the list”.
Note however that Sledge stopped selling it after the ban.
I think the companies selling these compounds now are nuts because the gov’t backlash against the industry when it comes ain’t gonna be pretty.
This compound does have a track record at least in other countries and is banned in some.
Bill,
I see what you are saying and like i mentioned before, my chemistry is pretty basic so that clears a lot up.
I would LOVE it if you posted that fina article or even email it to me. i have been throwing around the fina idea for about a year now due to its ease of purchase and conversion capabilities. the only problem i had was the injections; i hate needles and cant do it myself but would bite the bullet if someone else did it for me. unfortunately, the only “friend” around is the GF who is totally against steroids (foolish girl) and i think she would get suspicious if she saw the makeshift conversion lab i set up in the kitchen!!!
anyway, these designer roids have had great track records with users in terms of results (8-20 lbs, mostly lean mass) in 4 weeks which is pretty impressive for a “legal” supp. the only real question is their safety as you said as they tend to destroy lipid profiles and a lot of people jump right in and think the only sides they are getting are the obvious ones (acne, low back pain, etc.) i have my bottle of SD and PCT ready to rip but if you can present me with a great wayt to use fina i will back the truck up on the farm supply store down the road.
thanks again for your time and knowledge Bill. i know i, as well as the other members here, respect your opinion highly.
Thank you again for the kind words, trailer!
Ah, here it is, the last question of that never-finished Q&A article. As you’ll see, it’s simple enough that it quite likely could be done without suspicion, unless your girlfriend is just hanging around constantly.
However, really, it’s not that hard to “hook up” and get stuff that’s already prepared for you. But, the below is not difficult either and is more economical. Hope this helps! The first part, by the way, doesn’t really apply to your situation most likely; it’s the second part that may be of interest.
Incidentally, to be a little more efficient, the “leavings” of one batch can be rinsed with oil and then that oil, after settling, used for the next batch, which recovers most of the small fraction of trenbolone that otherwise would be lost:
Q. You once wrote something mysterious about removing estradiol benzoate from Implus pellets, referring to ‘supersaturation’ as the key. Can you further elaborate? And, for Finaplix, what’s a simple method?
The concepts basically are that, first, estradiol benzoate is far less soluble in organic solvents than testosterone propionate is. And second, that a solution of testosterone propionate can be temporarily brought to extreme supersaturation without crystallizing.
Accordingly, if a minimal volume of a solvent such as hexane or pentane is used to dissolve most or barely all of the testosterone propionate present, this will first leave behind most of the estradiol benzoate behind, while still retaining some (about 1% relative to the testosterone propionate) in solution.
If the solution is rapidly evaporated down to about 1/10 its volume and a seed crystal of estradiol benzoate is added, now 90% of that estradiol benzoate will crystallize out while the testosterone propionate remains in solution.
Redilution to for example 2/10 the original volume now allows crystallization of the great majority of the testosterone propionate, while the remaining estradiol benzoate remains dissolved, being well under saturation.
A couple of extra recrystallizations after this, and the product contains no detectable estradiol benzoate. Dissolve in Wesson oil (this is the best choice in my opinion) at 100 mg/mL, submicron filter, and it’s good to go. Or at least can be if done properly.
The problem with this procedure is that a vacuum source is required and a lot of flammable fumes are generated. One had better have a suitable location in the country or something. It really is not suitable for 99% of people.
Since pharmaceutical testosterone is pretty readily available, that route makes much more sense. The above really does work, but most should consider it just chemical entertainment.
As for trenbolone, fundamentally it’s not very hard to dissolve Finaplix pellets into benzyl alcohol (4 mL per 100 pellets in a sterilized flask), add to Wesson oil (36 mL per 100 pellets, again in a sterilized container), allow to settle for at least several days and preferably a week, and then submicron filter into vials.
There will, prior to the submicron filtration, be residue at the bottom of the oil, which isn’t shown to be harmful so far as I know, but it isn’t trenbolone acetate, so why inject it.
But, there are now suppliers of quality already-prepared trenbolone, so that is just a way better route to go than the above. Really.
I’m surprised to be getting a pellets question – the age of pellets has kind of come and gone, at least for the most part, I had thought.
Man after reading all this great stuff about Superdrol I’m ordering abottle. I’ve checked around the net and found a site that sells a 90 capsule bottle of SD for 47.99.It’s pretty cheap compared to GNC. I might try Mag-10 but I’ll read some more but I’m definitely gonna try SD since it’s an OTC supplement and legal before i go and try something else.
This has been some great reading
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Thank you again for the kind words, trailer!
Ah, here it is, the last question of that never-finished Q&A article. As you’ll see, it’s simple enough that it quite likely could be done without suspicion, unless your girlfriend is just hanging around constantly.
However, really, it’s not that hard to “hook up” and get stuff that’s already prepared for you. But, the below is not difficult either and is more economical. Hope this helps! The first part, by the way, doesn’t really apply to your situation most likely; it’s the second part that may be of interest.
Incidentally, to be a little more efficient, the “leavings” of one batch can be rinsed with oil and then that oil, after settling, used for the next batch, which recovers most of the small fraction of trenbolone that otherwise would be lost:
Q. You once wrote something mysterious about removing estradiol benzoate from Implus pellets, referring to ‘supersaturation’ as the key. Can you further elaborate? And, for Finaplix, what’s a simple method?
The concepts basically are that, first, estradiol benzoate is far less soluble in organic solvents than testosterone propionate is. And second, that a solution of testosterone propionate can be temporarily brought to extreme supersaturation without crystallizing.
Accordingly, if a minimal volume of a solvent such as hexane or pentane is used to dissolve most or barely all of the testosterone propionate present, this will first leave behind most of the estradiol benzoate behind, while still retaining some (about 1% relative to the testosterone propionate) in solution.
If the solution is rapidly evaporated down to about 1/10 its volume and a seed crystal of estradiol benzoate is added, now 90% of that estradiol benzoate will crystallize out while the testosterone propionate remains in solution.
Redilution to for example 2/10 the original volume now allows crystallization of the great majority of the testosterone propionate, while the remaining estradiol benzoate remains dissolved, being well under saturation.
A couple of extra recrystallizations after this, and the product contains no detectable estradiol benzoate. Dissolve in Wesson oil (this is the best choice in my opinion) at 100 mg/mL, submicron filter, and it’s good to go. Or at least can be if done properly.
The problem with this procedure is that a vacuum source is required and a lot of flammable fumes are generated. One had better have a suitable location in the country or something. It really is not suitable for 99% of people.
Since pharmaceutical testosterone is pretty readily available, that route makes much more sense. The above really does work, but most should consider it just chemical entertainment.
As for trenbolone, fundamentally it’s not very hard to dissolve Finaplix pellets into benzyl alcohol (4 mL per 100 pellets in a sterilized flask), add to Wesson oil (36 mL per 100 pellets, again in a sterilized container), allow to settle for at least several days and preferably a week, and then submicron filter into vials.
There will, prior to the submicron filtration, be residue at the bottom of the oil, which isn’t shown to be harmful so far as I know, but it isn’t trenbolone acetate, so why inject it.
But, there are now suppliers of quality already-prepared trenbolone, so that is just a way better route to go than the above. Really.
I’m surprised to be getting a pellets question – the age of pellets has kind of come and gone, at least for the most part, I had thought.[/quote]
Bill,
i think the pellets are still popular because of their ease to obtain. I pal around the gym with some pretty big meats (one got best lifter award at the recent IPA world PL meet in York, PA) and i am sure he knows a source but i still would be very hesitant to approach him about it. i think this goes for a lot of us who have been tossing around moving to the “dark side”.
Fina is a do-it-yourself way to get a nice, relatively safe, highly androgenic/mildly anabolic steroid which will give most users what they are looking for as most of us have no aspirations to be Mr. Olympia. The PCT is fairly simple too compared to other choices and the dreaded gyno is much less a risk with this then say test. i am kind of rambling here but you get the idea 
on another note, how do you feel about tren transdermal? i have heard so many mixed reviews it makes my head spin. what carrier would you recommend using if one was to do it like this? there are some new gels that claim to have very good absorbtion rates but i have not read enough field tests to be confident on their claims. i know that the old androsol was a great carrier (for the tren/test effect) but this is not an option anymore. maybe i will see if anyone has any left over.
this would all be so much easier if i could get my hands on some anavar tabs.
thanks again Bill for your time (if you decide to read and answer this disertation!!)
Last day of week 3 @ 40mg/ed
Weight: 236lbs
Bodyfat: 13.7%
PROS: At 40mg/ed I recover at a ridiculously fast rate. I PR every time I pick up a barbell.
CONS: My back often goes numb(not sure if this is a pump?) and it is a little painfull, but doesnt affect my workouts. My BloodP. has risen to the point to make me slightly unconfortable.
Oh well, on to PCT. I have taken 6-oxo the last four days and my coin purse is really back to normal function. I will take 6-oxo, nolva(3 weeks), and liv support for the next two months. I will also throw in Carbolin 19. I have the nolva and plan to take it, but I am not convinced it is needed for SD. I am not so worried about excess estrogen levels at this point. Better safe than sorry.
The true test will be if these gains are kept!