Guys one more question, from your experience do you think I should take the stack of Pheraplex and SD? I just got the shipment and want to be sure the chemical makeup of the two go OK together. I read on another board that these both have Meth compounds and would not be good together. I trust you guys over others so I just want to be sure I will not be putting myself in line for bad sides. If there is something else that I should stack with SD please let me know, I can use the Pheraplex in the next cycle if need be. Thank alot for all the advise.
Hiya gents,
I have been reading, and reading, and reading these boards for info and personal exp. stories about SD. Good stuff to hear so far. Daddy - sweet gains! I have some on the way, as well as some M, Carbolin 19, TRIBEX, RYR w/ CoQ10, Hawthorn Berry, Fish and Flax oil, etc. But I have a problem with which I need help and advice - I’m heading back to Korea where I work on Friday. I’ll have no problem taking this stuff (SD and other supps) through customs but I am VERY hesitant to take a prescription drug with me (Nolva or Clomid). Just too risky and too stupid to try.
I know everyone is recommending Nolva for PCT and I’d love to do the safe thing and get some. Anyone know of any sources in Korea? If not, would an M, Carbolin 19, TRIBEX stack suffice for PCT? If you think not, what about just hitting it short and hard, like a 2 on 4 off, 2 on 8 off scenario?
If you were in my shoes, would you:
A) do it with the Biotest product stack
B) do short cycles, or
C) not at all without nolvadex?
I appreciate any and all input
[quote]Big Willie Style wrote:
If you were in my shoes, would you:
A) do it with the Biotest product stack
B) do short cycles, or
C) not at all without nolvadex?
[/quote]
Just do a 3 week cycle with the Biotest products. There’s no need to go over 3 weeks with superdrol. If you want to be extra safe, use a product like Rebound XT along with the Biotest products. But, TRIBEX, M, and Carbolin 19 is sufficient (if nolva isn’t an option).
In a couple days I’ll be wrapping up a 3 week only cycle and I’ve seen amazing results.
[quote]Hugrafix wrote:
Guys one more question, from your experience do you think I should take the stack of Pheraplex and SD? I just got the shipment and want to be sure the chemical makeup of the two go OK together. I read on another board that these both have Meth compounds and would not be good together. I trust you guys over others so I just want to be sure I will not be putting myself in line for bad sides. If there is something else that I should stack with SD please let me know, I can use the Pheraplex in the next cycle if need be. Thank alot for all the advise.[/quote]
If PP is a methyl, then I wouldn’t stack the two for very long if you value your liver. You could possibly go week 1 PP, week 2 PP & SD, week 3 PP & SD, and week 4 SD. I wouldn’t exceed 20mg per day on either. Make sure you have a good PCT plan and then consider bloodwork to see if you recovered afterwards. There isn’t much info on PP yet, so it’s hard to say. I’m interested in PP, but waiting to hear some results from others - don’t like using myself as a lab rat.
[quote]Big Willie Style wrote:
Hiya gents,
I have been reading, and reading, and reading these boards for info and personal exp. stories about SD. Good stuff to hear so far. Daddy - sweet gains! I have some on the way, as well as some M, Carbolin 19, TRIBEX, RYR w/ CoQ10, Hawthorn Berry, Fish and Flax oil, etc. But I have a problem with which I need help and advice - I’m heading back to Korea where I work on Friday. I’ll have no problem taking this stuff (SD and other supps) through customs but I am VERY hesitant to take a prescription drug with me (Nolva or Clomid). Just too risky and too stupid to try.
I know everyone is recommending Nolva for PCT and I’d love to do the safe thing and get some. Anyone know of any sources in Korea? If not, would an M, Carbolin 19, TRIBEX stack suffice for PCT? If you think not, what about just hitting it short and hard, like a 2 on 4 off, 2 on 8 off scenario?
If you were in my shoes, would you:
A) do it with the Biotest product stack
B) do short cycles, or
C) not at all without nolvadex?
I appreciate any and all input[/quote]
I’d at least add something else to double up on your PCT. For example, I am using Nolva and a similar Biotest stack. Rebound was suggested - if the new batch is available. An ATD product is also an option. The purpose of PCT is to help your body recover. Since your PCT may be less than ideal, I would strongly suggest having bloodwork done after PCT to see if things are back to normal. Gyno is not a common side on SD, but in my research, it seems there may be a few rare cases. Make sure you have a doctor that can prescribe you Nolva in case you are one of the unlucky dudes sprouting tits.
[quote]Big Willie Style wrote:
Hiya gents,
I have been reading, and reading, and reading these boards for info and personal exp. stories about SD. Good stuff to hear so far. Daddy - sweet gains! I have some on the way, as well as some M, Carbolin 19, TRIBEX, RYR w/ CoQ10, Hawthorn Berry, Fish and Flax oil, etc. But I have a problem with which I need help and advice - I’m heading back to Korea where I work on Friday. I’ll have no problem taking this stuff (SD and other supps) through customs but I am VERY hesitant to take a prescription drug with me (Nolva or Clomid). Just too risky and too stupid to try.
I know everyone is recommending Nolva for PCT and I’d love to do the safe thing and get some. Anyone know of any sources in Korea? If not, would an M, Carbolin 19, TRIBEX stack suffice for PCT? If you think not, what about just hitting it short and hard, like a 2 on 4 off, 2 on 8 off scenario?
If you were in my shoes, would you:
A) do it with the Biotest product stack
B) do short cycles, or
C) not at all without nolvadex?
I appreciate any and all input[/quote]
One other thing. Make sure you are focused and able to train hard, eat big, and sleep well while you are working overseas. SD will not work if you do not. If this is not possible, in light of that and your less than desireable PCT, I would wait until you have an opportunity to do so.
Question on taking Novla. Should I take mt rebound XT as suggested by Bio and only take Novla if I have problems. I hear a lot of guys saying it is good to have Novla around just in case. Or should I take the Novla instead of the Rebound at the end of the cycle?
Thanks again!
Here are my results after three weeks @ 20mg:
- gained 7lbs
- strength was up noticeably
- decreased aerobic capacity
- slight discomfort in lower back
- very thisty some days
For PCT I have planned:
- 100mg clomid week 1, then drop to 50mg for weeks 2 and 3
- 20mg nolva for 3 weeks
Any feedback/suggestions on the PCT?
[quote]Pambele wrote:
Here are my results after three weeks @ 20mg:
- gained 7lbs
- strength was up noticeably
- decreased aerobic capacity
- slight discomfort in lower back
- very thisty some days
For PCT I have planned:
- 100mg clomid week 1, then drop to 50mg for weeks 2 and 3
- 20mg nolva for 3 weeks
Any feedback/suggestions on the PCT?
[/quote]
Not bad IMHO. I might taper the Nolva 40/30/20 though.
[quote]Hugrafix wrote:
Question on taking Novla. Should I take mt rebound XT as suggested by Bio and only take Novla if I have problems. I hear a lot of guys saying it is good to have Novla around just in case. Or should I take the Novla instead of the Rebound at the end of the cycle?
Thanks again![/quote]
I’d use the Nolva too. The previous batch of Rebound XT was no good. The people that relied on that alone were screwed as far as their PCT was concerned. I also don’t know if Rebound has the same beneficial effects to your lipid profile as Nolva does.
[quote]Pambele wrote:
Here are my results after three weeks @ 20mg:
- gained 7lbs
- strength was up noticeably
- decreased aerobic capacity
- slight discomfort in lower back
- very thisty some days
For PCT I have planned:
- 100mg clomid week 1, then drop to 50mg for weeks 2 and 3
- 20mg nolva for 3 weeks
Any feedback/suggestions on the PCT?
[/quote]
I also forgot to add that my feedback assumes you are taking the necessary support supps: RYR w/CoQ10, Milk Thistle, NAC, etc. If not, be sure to add those through PCT as well.
Thanks for all the replies and input. I plan on running a 12 week prep phase during which I will get my diet down to the letter as well as plan out the cycle and fix some of the problems I’ve been having (aches and pains). Upon completeion of this, I will start a 3 wek SD cycle if, and only if, I have worked hard enough to preapre for it that I feel I will maximize the benefits. I also thought of a solution to getting nolvadex - if I can’t get any in Korea, I’ll get some in Thailand when I go for a trip with my girlfriend this fall. Best of luck with your training guys.
Just got my Nolvadex in the mail today. It came in regular mail not shipped, so it sat in my mailbox for a day or two in like 100degree weather, could that have changed it any way?
Took a whif of the stuff, smells like some harsh vodka or something, how do ya’ll measure out 20ml? The little squeezer thing doesnt have any measuring spots just a clear tube.
[quote]freejury wrote:
Just got my Nolvadex in the mail today. It came in regular mail not shipped, so it sat in my mailbox for a day or two in like 100degree weather, could that have changed it any way?
Took a whif of the stuff, smells like some harsh vodka or something, how do ya’ll measure out 20ml? The little squeezer thing doesnt have any measuring spots just a clear tube.[/quote]
It’s closer to Everclear than Vodka. Not sure if the heat would have affected it, maybe some others may have some input. My guess is that as long as the powder hasn’t dropped out of the solution, you are fine.
To measure, go to a local drug store and buy an oral syringe.
[quote]daddymc wrote:
To measure, go to a local drug store and buy an oral syringe.[/quote]
These oral syringes are commonly used for administering liquid medicine to children. You may have to ask for them from the pharmacist.
Begining the third week@ 40mg a day.
Hit PR on bench today by three reps.
Blood pressure high, but not ridiculous.
Feeling a little dry in the joints I think the prostanozol is really kicking.
Very lethargic and sometimes a little short-winded.
Also noticed lower back discomfort.
Holding weight at 232lbs… I think I am most heavy and most strong I have ever been in my life.
Bodyfat holding at 14%
One more week.
Viking, im feeling what you felt when you first started. Im on day 8, first 6 days at 10mg last 2 at 20mg.
No noticable change in strength or strength endurance.
Gonna keep at 20mg for another 4 days then jump to 30 if still no change.
Today was day 21 of a 3 week cycle of superdrol.
First 10 days: 20 mg.
Last 11 days: 30 mg.
(Upped dosage to 30 after gains started to slow)
Starting Weight: 216.2
Today’s Weight: 236.4 (gained 20.2 lbs.)
Starting Measurements:
Arms: 17 1/4"
Forearms: 13"
Legs: 25 1/4"
Today’s Measurements:
Arms: 18" +3/4"
Forearms: 13 3/4" +3/4"
Legs: 26 3/4" +1 1/2"
All my lifts are up at least 20 lbs.
Back pumps were horrible on leg days and caused me to cut my last leg workout short (which is somethin I would never do unless I absolutely had to). Other than that day, I was able to finish my workouts. Other than leg days, the pumps weren’t that bad.
Ate 5,100 calories ed. except for 3 of the days when I only ate around 4,500.
Recovery was great… felt like I could train everyday.
I was not bloated at all and would wake up looking very dry. I didn’t have my body fat measured but based on ab visibility, (I know this isn’t a good way to tell but didn’t have a choice) my body fat is the same with maybe a 1/2% increase.
Libido was through the roof for days 3-14 then returned to normal. No noticeable nut shrinkage.
Lethargy set in around day 14 but took care of that with Spike.
I think my gains can be attributed to 9+ hours of sleep per night and the 5000 cals. If you’re training is in order and you take care of sleepin and eatin, you’ll make some great gains on superdrol.
I think the right dosage for this is:
<200 lbs.= 10 mg.
200 - 225 lbs. = 20 mg.
225 lbs. = 30 mg.
Plan for PCT is tapering nolva 40/30/20 along with the other products already mentioned in this thread.
Feel free to ask questions.
Viking and Carter, congratulations on your gains. Try 2-3 grams of Taurine preworkout for the back pumps.
[quote]freejury wrote:
Viking, im feeling what you felt when you first started. Im on day 8, first 6 days at 10mg last 2 at 20mg.
No noticable change in strength or strength endurance.
Gonna keep at 20mg for another 4 days then jump to 30 if still no change.[/quote]
I think by the end of your first day at 30mg you will start to notice it kick in hard. If I knew then what I know now, I would have started at 30mg a day. Next time I will. You will get some BIG strength gains at 30mg a day.
Good Lifting