Viking, im assuming you have done other steroids in the past, do you think that might be the reason your not recieving much of a response? Also I remember reading that for a 200lb man they should start at 20mg, maybe 30mg is where you should be, but I’m definately interested in your progress, keep us updated.
[quote]freejury wrote:
Viking, im assuming you have done other steroids in the past, do you think that might be the reason your not recieving much of a response? Also I remember reading that for a 200lb man they should start at 20mg, maybe 30mg is where you should be, but I’m definately interested in your progress, keep us updated.[/quote]
Nope, never tried any AAS or PH before, but I will try AAS within the next year. I decided to give this whole PH deal a trial run.
I weigh around 225 and started 30mg a day today so we will see. I hope it does kick in, it should be interesting. I also started 75mg of prostanozol/ed today.
Will post again at end of week two or at the begining of some good results, whatever comes sooner.
I think Mike Katz said he bought a bottle, would love to hear what someone with some real experience thinks…
Has anyone had any experience w/ Phera Plex. If so any gains? compared to SD?
[quote]retailboy wrote:
Has anyone had any experience w/ Phera Plex. If so any gains? compared to SD?[/quote]
I just ordered some Phera Plex but I will not stack it with SD untill after the first of the yr.
My experience with SD is :
I started out of the shoot with 20mg a day on Monday 10mg then 10mg on monday Night… I had a positive work out on monday. I dont have a spotter for the bench press but… I have the hammer equip.and I used 3 45 pound plates and I actually did 15 reps with that weight since I have to close tonight and tomorrow night and wont be able to get back into the gym untill Fri I did a short work out yes the same excersises the very next day … I put an additional 25 pound plate on each side and pressed that weight for 14 reps the very next day I do other body parts when I go to the gym.
But that was a very significant change for me to up the weight and hit it again the next day and get almost the same reps as the day before.
On the legs the thing I noticed was the strength… I usually go till failure but my legs wouldnt fail instead I had to go untill I couldnt take the burn any longer. If I kept going they kept lifting I had to stop when I couldnt take the pain anylonger. That was different also. I use the whole stack with the leg extention so I cant ues any more weight.
But I have only been on SD since Monday.
Since I have aquired Nolvadex for PCT I will Stack this cycle with Carbolin 19, Methoxy-7, in about a week. I will continue with HOT-ROX anyway … I am looking much leaner even in just two days… could be water I dunno. I have cut my workouts to 8 excersises. Large compound movements. since I will be doing them more often but Recovery is much better already.
Donnie
[quote]retailboy wrote:
Has anyone had any experience w/ Phera Plex. If so any gains? compared to SD?[/quote]
Phera Plex was recently released, so I wouldn’t expect to hear much on this yet until people have a chance to plan cycles on it and logs start to show up on the various forums.
Hello all,
I am getting ready to order a few bottles of SD and want to make sure I have all my bases covered. I have been hitting the gym for quite awhile. Had a back injury and returned about 2 months ago from a 6 month break. I am 6’1" and 215lbs. I plan on going pretty much the route Daddymc went but am thinking I should take something for PCT as I have read. I do not have access to any of the non over the counter stuff so I was wondering if Gaspari Nutrition Novedex XT would do the trick, I have not been able to find Rebound XT and read this was a good replacement. Any advise would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Hugrafix
hey guys,
what is with this lower back pain? it hit hard and it’s just this throbbing pain in the left lower side. what causes this?
thanks
[quote]shady659 wrote:
hey guys,
what is with this lower back pain? it hit hard and it’s just this throbbing pain in the left lower side. what causes this?
thanks[/quote]
not sure the cause of it but throw in some taurine at 3-5 mg /day and that should do the trick. the lower back pain is very common for SD.
[quote]Hugrafix wrote:
Hello all,
I am getting ready to order a few bottles of SD and want to make sure I have all my bases covered. I have been hitting the gym for quite awhile. Had a back injury and returned about 2 months ago from a 6 month break. I am 6’1" and 215lbs. I plan on going pretty much the route Daddymc went but am thinking I should take something for PCT as I have read. I do not have access to any of the non over the counter stuff so I was wondering if Gaspari Nutrition Novedex XT would do the trick, I have not been able to find Rebound XT and read this was a good replacement. Any advise would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Hugrafix[/quote]
IMHO, this is not enough for PCT. I really think you need to use something like Nolva to recover from the suppression and to improve your lipid profiles.
Google is your friend:
Nolvadex aka Tamoxifen Citrate
[quote]trailer36 wrote:
shady659 wrote:
hey guys,
what is with this lower back pain? it hit hard and it’s just this throbbing pain in the left lower side. what causes this?
thanks
not sure the cause of it but throw in some taurine at 3-5 mg /day and that should do the trick. the lower back pain is very common for SD.[/quote]
I found that Taurine and proper hydration helped with this.
[quote]Viking69 wrote:
After one week of SD@20mg a day my observations are as follows:
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Even if you drink a gallon of water a day it is not enough with this stuff… unless u are connected to an IV u will be dehydrated,and how does that help with strength gains?
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I am starting to think SD gave great benefits to people, who while on it, found the proper motavation to diet, exercise, and sleep like they should be doing in the first place. I have noticed no positive effects.
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If your gonna do a PCT for popping pills, BUY SOME DBOL AND DO IT FOR A GOOD REASON! Its the same price if not cheaper and it really works.
More to come @30mg a day…[/quote]
I found a gallon of water was not enough for me. I probably pushed two gallons alot of days.
The big gains from SD tend to kick in during the second week and after you find the correct dosage. At your weight, 20mg - 30mg is probably the proper dose. I will be surprised if this doesn’t kick in for you during the second week. Keep us updated.
I’ve never taken it, but I don’t think this can compare to D-Bol.
Hey guys thought I’d chime in, I’m really surpised to hear some of the negative feedback, this is my third week, and I’m doing 40 mg of SD on my third week with absolutely no sides, just tremendous gains, I should be up 15 lbs by the end of this week, what AAS can deliver those kind of results this fast? This stuff is awesome. Definitely get Nolva for PCT, for those of you planning your cycles.
[quote]allout wrote:
Hey guys thought I’d chime in, I’m really surpised to hear some of the negative feedback, this is my third week, and I’m doing 40 mg of SD on my third week with absolutely no sides, just tremendous gains, I should be up 15 lbs by the end of this week, what AAS can deliver those kind of results this fast? This stuff is awesome. Definitely get Nolva for PCT, for those of you planning your cycles.[/quote]
I started off the bat with 20mg per day and I feel great… no sides well except I want to eat everything in site. I drank lots of water yesterday but I got up to piss like 5 times last night.
I will up my cycle to 30mg next week.
So Far so Good. I feel like I could a whole body workout everyday.
Donnie
daddymc I’m curious as to how your PCT is going, strength losses? how bout wieght and appearance? any adverse reaction to Nolvadex?
After two days of 30mg, I have to say SD has started to kick the real deal…
I weighed in at 227.5(+3.5lbs from day one, no significant change in bodyfat) today and smashed a squatting PR by four EASY reps. I don?t get 4 rep jumps at my level anymore, so I must admit I am impressed. Even when I hit my weak point with the exact right assistance exercise I usually only get a one or two rep jump in strength gains.
I noticed my nuts shrank significantly over night and I shot a load almost across the room this morning. A definite libido increase has been noted.
I have grown accustom to the diuretic affects of SD and found the right water intake. I drink 1 liter every time I take a pill(3 times a day)and also drink a few more glasses throughout the day. U need to prep before starting SD, and down a gallon of water a day for 2 or 3 days before starting IMO.
Also at my starting bodyweight of 223-225, I suggest you start at 30mg a day; 20mg just doesn?t kick in at that bodyweight. I also started the prostanozol the same day I upped the dose to 30mg so I don?t know how much that is responsible.
I have not really noticed any speed in recovery, but I work compound exercises, so I am not surprised.
No negative sides yet.
On to 40mg next week, and I must admit I cant wait. I give credit only where it is due and if next week goes how I think I am going to put in another order soon.
Laters
[quote]allout wrote:
daddymc I’m curious as to how your PCT is going, strength losses? how bout wieght and appearance? any adverse reaction to Nolvadex?[/quote]
PCT is going great outside of the horrible taste of Nolvadex. Strength is still there - my pre-cycle flat bench PR was 275 lbs. I repped that 5 times Monday. Weight is holding steady at 225lbs @ 3,500 cals. Bloating is gone I’m happy to say. No apparent sides to the liquid Nolvadex @ 3 ml ED. Libido is great and I no longer notice any shrinkage in “the boys”.
[quote]daddymc wrote:
allout wrote:
daddymc I’m curious as to how your PCT is going, strength losses? how bout wieght and appearance? any adverse reaction to Nolvadex?
PCT is going great outside of the horrible taste of Nolvadex. Strength is still there - my pre-cycle flat bench PR was 275 lbs. I repped that 5 times Monday. Weight is holding steady at 225lbs @ 3,500 cals. Bloating is gone I’m happy to say. No apparent sides to the liquid Nolvadex @ 3 ml
ED. Libido is great and I no longer notice any shrinkage in “the boys”.[/quote]
I Hope to get my nolvadex in the mail soon. I have seen it suggested that Pct with Nolva should be 1st week 40mg 2nd week 30mg 3rd week 20mg and 4th week 10.
Does that mean only 40mg for the week or is that 40mg a day for the first week.
Donnie
[quote]OUToftheBOX wrote:
daddymc wrote:
allout wrote:
daddymc I’m curious as to how your PCT is going, strength losses? how bout wieght and appearance? any adverse reaction to Nolvadex?
PCT is going great outside of the horrible taste of Nolvadex. Strength is still there - my pre-cycle flat bench PR was 275 lbs. I repped that 5 times Monday. Weight is holding steady at 225lbs @ 3,500 cals. Bloating is gone I’m happy to say. No apparent sides to the liquid Nolvadex @ 3 ml
ED. Libido is great and I no longer notice any shrinkage in “the boys”.
I Hope to get my nolvadex in the mail soon. I have seen it suggested that Pct with Nolva should be 1st week 40mg 2nd week 30mg 3rd week 20mg and 4th week 10.
Does that mean only 40mg for the week or is that 40mg a day for the first week.
Donnie
[/quote]
That is a per day dose.
daddymc:
Just bought my bottles of sd. Question is, is the Nova only for use during pct? and are u using that in conjuction with Prostanozol. any info would be great. thanks
[quote]neversatisfied wrote:
daddymc:
Just bought my bottles of sd. Question is, is the Nova only for use during pct? and are u using that in conjuction with Prostanozol. any info would be great. thanks[/quote]
yes, only use the nolva for PCT.