Super Bowl MVP = Ref

The Seahawks lost the game for themselves. They had big plays called back for stupid penalties, and by definition, the td that was called back for Off PI wasn’t a blown call, the call was also consistant with what they had been calling all season.
There were too many dropped passes by seahawk recievers, and on a lot of the receptions, there wasn’t enough effort put forth after the catch (Juravicious being the exception). Stevens didn’t put forth a superbowl effort on most plays.

Ever notice that the loser always has excuses why they didn’t win, but the winner doesn’t have any? Maybe the loser has excuses is because they didn’t play as well as they thought they should have. While the winner did play as well as they should have. In case you didn’t know, thats what usually determines the game.

[quote]jcerbone wrote:
you know i find this VERY funny…i bet you more then 3/4’s of the people who posted on this topic HAVE NEVER PLAYED football in their god damn life be it college,high school or even pee wee football…their all armchair QB’s who sit at home and cry about how people call the damn game when they have never played it themselves…ohh sorry boys VIDEO GAMES DONT COUNT…next time before you cry about how people call the game maybe you should actually play before you try crying about the rules of the game…you might understand how things go…its people like you who make me sick…always putting down someone else who did good just to make your sorry skinny ass feel better about yourself[/quote]

  1. Roethlisberger’s TD - Personally, I thought the ball crossed the plain of the Goal Line - but it was as close as you could get - on a review, needing indisputable evidence to overturn a call, there’s no way a ref could have overturned it - had they called Roethlisberger down, it may have been difficult to overturn that too - just too close of a call.

  2. DJack PI - pretty obvious push-off even though he didn’t need to. He had great position and Hasselbeck placed the ball very well - the push off got Hope out of the play…doesn’t matter if he needed it or not, he pushed off, and the ref saw it.

  3. Holding (Seahawk O-Line) - if you focus on the line play during the game, you would have seen a lot of Steelers pass rushers getting held. If you closeline hook someone on the TD pass or get a handful of jersey, blame your line.

  4. Hasselbeck’s diving block penalty - that was a poor call, but if you watched the NFL all season, there seemed to be a bevy of ‘bowling ball’ blocks going on, which resulted in some heavy knee injuries. Watching a slow-mo replay, one could say that was the wrong call, but at full speed, it’s hard to tell.

If anyone wants to complain about anything, it should be all the balls Jerramy Stevens dropped - had he made those catches, the Hawks might have won, and he probably would have been the MVP.

For those complaining about the officiating, realize that the Seahawks probably wouldn’t have even scored a TD had the refs called that unbelievable block in the back against Roethlisberger on the Kelly Hearndon INT return.

CR

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
harris447 wrote:
But, slighty off-topic…what did everybody think of the Stones?

I kinda thought they were the highlight of the whole shebang.

I thought they were not at their best. The sound wasn’t very good.

I saw them this summer and they were terrific.

Sadly they were the highlight of the night.

The national anthem was terrible.

The game play was weak.

The officiating was the worst ever.

The commercials were below average.

I think the Super Bowl has jumped the shark.

Where did you see them (the Stones)? Arena or stadium?

I got to see them in 92 at Giant Stadium. Still one of the greatest shows ever.

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Saw them at HersheyPark Stadium. Great show. Except for a lull in the middle when Mick to a break and Keith Richards took over they were the best.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
But, slighty off-topic…what did everybody think of the Stones?

I kinda thought they were the highlight of the whole shebang.[/quote]

I liked watching Jagger’s saggy tricep shake whenever he did any overhead motion with his arm. That was great.

The officiating was horrible throughout the playoffs. Perhaps the refs were making up for fucking the Steelers in the Colts game. haha.

From Billsinsider.com

Let me say one thing straight out: the Seattle Seahawks did not play well enough to win Super Bowl XL.

Seattle had four drive-killing dropped passes, failed to generate a real running game, and failed to stop Bill Cowher’s trick plays, even though they were more predictable than Jerome Bettis’ retirement after the game. The WR option pass by Antwan Randel-el to Hines Ward is a play the Steelers used against Cleveland this year–the Hawks should have seen it coming. The Seahawks didn’t do what they needed to do in order to win.

Then again, neither did the Steelers. They allowed the Seahawks to dominate time of possession, they didn’t seem to want to cover anyone the entire first quarter, lost the turnover battle, and Big Ben had one of his worst performances in his two-year career.

Unfortunately, with both teams playing like doo-doo, that left the refs to decide who would win the game.

And they did.

The way I see it, the zebras made several game-altering bad calls.

Bad Call #1: Darrell Jackson did not push off in the end zone. If you watch in slow-motion, the defender was already moving in the other direction when Jackson reverses his momentum and extends his arm. Receivers get away with this every Sunday in the NFL because most referees understand that it doesn’t truly affect the DB’s ability to cover. Look at David Givens and Troy Brown, or Terrell Owens and Randy Moss. Happens every day. Borderline call, and one that represented the official trying to inject himself into the game. Even former offensive line great Brian Baldinger called it, “absolutely horrendous.”

Bad Call #2: Etric Pruitt was called for “holding” during a 33-yard Seahawks punt return that would have given them the ball at the Pittsburgh 46 yard line. Watching the alleged foul, it was hard to see much behind minor hand-fighting between the two players, and this sure looks like another instance where the zebras wanted to influence the game, for whatever reasons.

Bad Call #3: Big Ben’s TD. This one is a little tougher to call, but from where I was sitting, the BALL never crossed the plane of the goal line until Big Ben was down. Granted, it was real-time speed when the called it, and not at all easy to do, but from the replays I saw, the ball never quite breaks the plane until Ben is down and extends his arm across. Borderline call, at the very best.

Bad Call #4: This is one of two disastrous calls by the officials in the game. Jerramy Stevens had FINALLY decided to catch the ball at the Steelers’ one-yard-line. It would have set up four tries from there to score a TD. But suddenly the officials were there, saying that tackle Sean Locklear had held a Pittsburgh defender. John Madden said it was bad and he’s a Hall of Famer. Baldinger said it was “terrible.” There was no holding on the play. At all. The officials just wanted to impact the game. And they did.

Bad Call #5: Hasselbeck throws an INT and the Pittsburgh defender is running it back. Hasselbeck dives at the DB’s legs, tackling him and a potential blocker at the same time, saving what could have been a TD, and pinning the Steelers in their end of the field. Instead, the officials claimed that he threw an illegal block below the waist and penalized him 15 yards. Even the commentators said the call was flat-out wrong.

Bad Call #6: Granting Ben Roethlisberger a time out despite the fact that the clock had run out more than a second before he called for it. What? I guess they’re living in a temporal vacuum, one second behind the rest of the world.

Yes, the Seahawks lost the Super Bowl. They failed to do enough to overcome the Steelers’ three TDs, and scored only ten points. The problem is, they had to beat more than just the Steelers. They had to beat the refs, too, and that is not something the league should want to see.

As Kevin Hench from Fox Sports points out, this kind of bad officiating went on throughout the playoffs. Bills fans have been screaming about it for years, since we’ve been on the receiving end of the Patriots getting the bad calls in their favor. The problem is that penalties are not reviewable. They should be. The refs make as many mistakes as the players, and there’s no reason a coach shouldn’t have an additional two challenges in his pocket specifically to challenge bad penalties. Putting officials on this unassailable pedestal, saying their calls are beyond reproach, is setting this up to happen again.

[quote]tveddy wrote:

Ever notice that the loser always has excuses why they didn’t win, but the winner doesn’t have any? …[/quote]

Why would the winner have an excuse why he didn’t win?

I am not a Seahags fan but they got screwed, pure and simple.

You can pretend otherwise if you want but this football fans eyes have been opened and there is something terribly wrong with NFL officiating.

That was kinda the point. The steelers played well enough to win. The seahawks didn’t. If you play your best game, most of the time you win. The seahawks didn’t play thier best game, so they have noone to blame but themselves. They could have won, and they didn’t. So now the fans are going to start making excuses.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
tveddy wrote:

Ever notice that the loser always has excuses why they didn’t win, but the winner doesn’t have any? …

Why would the winner have an excuse why he didn’t win?

I am not a Seahags fan but they got screwed, pure and simple.

You can pretend otherwise if you want but this football fans eyes have been opened and there is something terribly wrong with NFL officiating.
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[quote]MODOK wrote:
Its pretty ironic, as we are talking about the games being fixed, I remember the first time I was absolutely convinced that the SB was fixed; the '95 Super Bowl…when the Steeler’s QB threw those 2 interceptions in the 2nd half, straight to the Cowboys DB. Throwing two picks isn’t anything unusual, but you could actually see him looking the ball right into the db’s numbers. There wasn’t a receiver in the same zip code. From that SB on, I knew there was some trickeration going on with the fixications.[/quote]

The O’Donnell passes of that year can be credited to poor communication between the QB and WRs. I believe one was because a WR ran the wrong route, and the other was because O’Donnell threw the wrong route - a good QB wouldn’t have this trouble.

Saying the Superbowl is fixed is pretty far out there. Saying the Seahawks got ‘screwed’…I’ll agree, the refs didn’t call a great game by any means, but there were some pretty big ‘no-calls’ throughout the game - especially with holds at the O-Line.

CR

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Second, to whoever said Seattle wouldn’t have even made the playoffs in the AFC - that’s just an absurd statement with no basis.
DB[/quote]

I said it; a bit over the top but not absurd considering that the Chargers, the Chiefs and the Dolphins didn’t make it, I think those teams match up favourably with the Seagulls. Don’t forget the Seaguls played in the worst division in football.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
tveddy wrote:

Ever notice that the loser always has excuses why they didn’t win, but the winner doesn’t have any? …

Why would the winner have an excuse why he didn’t win?

I am not a Seahags fan but they got screwed, pure and simple.

You can pretend otherwise if you want but this football fans eyes have been opened and there is something terribly wrong with NFL officiating.
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Let’s not forget that the Seahawks missed two field goals. That’s six points for the Seahawks, and good field position that the Steelers would not have had. Missing field goals changes the nature of the game- the score is different, both Coaches coach differently,and it affects the morale of the team.

The Seahawks seemed to have a better team, but the Steelers got the breaks. Sometimes its just luck.

[quote]tveddy wrote:
That was kinda the point. The steelers played well enough to win. The seahawks didn’t. If you play your best game, most of the time you win. The seahawks didn’t play thier best game, so they have noone to blame but themselves. They could have won, and they didn’t. So now the fans are going to start making excuses.
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The Steelers did not play a good game at all.

The Seahags played a better game than the Steelers. Everytime they got anything going they were hit with a phantom penalty.

Even with all the bad calls the Seahawks were in position to win at the end of the game when they got hit with another phantom holding call.

To pretend that the officials did not decide that game is silly.

The Seahags made mistakes but they played well enough to overcome their own mistakes. They could not overcome the officials mistakes.

The Steelers “victory” is incredibly tainted.

With a fairly called game Seattle probably would have won.

If the bad calls went against the Steelers, Seattle would have run up the score.

It was a sad day for the NFL. To claim they are sore losers and forget it is a mistake.

As much as I bag on the Seagulls I am seriously reconsidering my stance on wether the game was fixed.

In recent years it seems that there are frequent bad calls going the way of the favourite. For example

1.Anyone remember the Rams superbowl year? They were up 11-6 against Tampa, but Tampa was driving late in the game. The infamous “Bert Emmanuel” call robbed Tampa bay of a first down deep inside Rams territory effectively killing a potential comeback. This was the year of Kurt Warner’s fairytale run, and the rams no doubt made for a more exciting superbowl then the points-challenge Bucs did.

  1. THE TUCK. Wonderboy Brady’s first superbowl. nuff said.

  2. Ironically the NFL got tired of the Patriots winning and decided to rob them during the Denver game. The pass interference call was atrocious. Plus on Champ Bailey int return he clearly fumbled the ball out of the endzone; how else could the ball have landed there?

  3. The Polumalu’s non-interception. AFter A VIDEO REVIEW.

  4. The more I think about it the worse those calls look against the Seagulls.

I’m not a fan of either team, but I got to say the Seahawks got screwed by the refs. I think the refs should of gotten MVP.

First off Big Bens touchdown was not a touchdown. If you notice the ref actually signals fourth down and after Ben rolls the ball from underneath himself and places it over the line does it change to a toouchdown signal.

Refs didn’t call the numerous holding in the backfield penalties on Pittsburgh.

Ben did NOT call time out before the play clock hit zero and that is very evident from watching the game and even Madden commented about it.

Refs never called the horsecollar placed on Shaun Alexander.

Sorry, the refs won that game, for the Steelers.

[quote]KJ Bridgewater wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
Second, to whoever said Seattle wouldn’t have even made the playoffs in the AFC - that’s just an absurd statement with no basis.
DB

I said it; a bit over the top but not absurd considering that the Chargers, the Chiefs and the Dolphins didn’t make it, I think those teams match up favourably with the Seagulls. Don’t forget the Seaguls played in the worst division in football.
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They also went 15-4 (including the postseason) beating out the other teams from the NFC, including trouncing Carolina, who a lot of “experts” picked to win the SB. If they had lost their first playoff game, you might be able to make an argument, but they didn’t. All of the above is why your argument is absurd.

And your examples of the Chargers, Chiefs and Dolphins (overhyped division, btw) - they all choked down the stretch. If KC could have closed the deal, Pittsburgh wouldn’t have made the playoffs. And since when do matchups determine who is playoff caliber? You make the playoffs based on winning, not matching up well against other teams. Every team who makes the SB should get credit for their season.

DB

Everybody get out your tin foil hats.

To me, the biggest poor call was the holding penalty that took away first and goal from the two yard line for the Seahawks. This turned the tide of the game tremendously. Other than that, I don’t think there were really any questionable calls that mattered, even though Seattle definitely got shafted on the calls as a whole. The game would have been VERY different had this holding call not been made, and much likely more exciting (Steelers would have had to answer the score to win).

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

The Steelers did not play a good game at all.

The Seahags played a better game than the Steelers. Everytime they got anything going they were hit with a phantom penalty.

Even with all the bad calls the Seahawks were in position to win at the end of the game when they got hit with another phantom holding call.

To pretend that the officials did not decide that game is silly.

The Seahags made mistakes but they played well enough to overcome their own mistakes. They could not overcome the officials mistakes.

The Steelers “victory” is incredibly tainted.

With a fairly called game Seattle probably would have won.

If the bad calls went against the Steelers, Seattle would have run up the score.

It was a sad day for the NFL. To claim they are sore losers and forget it is a mistake.[/quote]

I said that the steelers played well enough to win, not that they played a good game. I also didn’t mean that the seahawks are sore losers, but that some or thier fans are.

I also believe that if the super bowl were fixed, the people responsible would already be dead due to the money that the bookies would lose. So for the game to be “fixed by the reffing” would imply that the NFL would be either be leaking information that the game is fixed, so as not to make the bookies mad which is pretty rediculous. Or they are paying off the same people which is just as rediculous. Anyway, thats how I feel abut the game being fixed.

[quote]KJ Bridgewater wrote:
As much as I bag on the Seagulls I am seriously reconsidering my stance on wether the game was fixed.

In recent years it seems that there are frequent bad calls going the way of the favourite. For example

1.Anyone remember the Rams superbowl year? They were up 11-6 against Tampa, but Tampa was driving late in the game. The infamous “Bert Emmanuel” call robbed Tampa bay of a first down deep inside Rams territory effectively killing a potential comeback. This was the year of Kurt Warner’s fairytale run, and the rams no doubt made for a more exciting superbowl then the points-challenge Bucs did.
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That was the right call. They ended up changing the rule because the rule was stupid.

Again right call, stupid rule.

The call on the Champ Bailey fumble was correct. It was close, but it was correct.

This may again be a right call, stupid rule. In order to possess the ball
he has to get his feet down in the field of play and make a “football move”. Rolling on the ground is not a football move. He knocked the ball out of his own hands with his knee as he was getting up.

This is a pretty new rule and is incredibly stupid.

They wuz robbed!

Damn, I actualy agree with Zap on all but the seahawks getting screwed. I think that the seahawks screwed themselves by not playing as well as they were capable of. If they would have, it wouldn’t have ever came down to reffing.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

1.Anyone remember the Rams superbowl year? They were up 11-6 against Tampa, but Tampa was driving late in the game. The infamous “Bert Emmanuel” call robbed Tampa bay of a first down deep inside Rams territory effectively killing a potential comeback. This was the year of Kurt Warner’s fairytale run, and the rams no doubt made for a more exciting superbowl then the points-challenge Bucs did.

That was the right call. They ended up changing the rule because the rule was stupid.

  1. THE TUCK. Wonderbody Brady’s first superbowl. nuff said.

Again right call, stupid rule.

  1. Ironically the NFL got tired of the Patriots winning and decided to rob them during the Denver game. The pass interference call was atrocious. Plus on Champ Bailey int return he clearly fumbled the ball out of the endzone; how else could the ball have landed there?

The call on the Champ Bailey fumble was correct. It was close, but it was correct.

  1. The Polumalu’s non-interception. AFter A VIDEO REVIEW.

This may again be a right call, stupid rule. In order to possess the ball
he has to get his feet down in the field of play and make a “football move”. Rolling on the ground is not a football move. He knocked the ball out of his own hands with his knee as he was getting up.

This is a pretty new rule and is incredibly stupid.

  1. The more I think about it the worse those calls look against the Seagulls.

They wuz robbed![/quote]

[quote]pappapump wrote:
superbowls dont matter unless the cowboys win it.[/quote]

Now that’s the kind of talk I like to see!

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Every team who makes the SB should get credit for their season.

DB[/quote]

Agreed.