The game wasn’t fixed, that’s stupid. The officiating sucked, but the Seahawks lost because they didn’t make plays. They had their chances.
George Bush does not care about Seahawk fans.
The Seahawks were underdogs because their schedule was a joke. They took care of business, but they had a bunch of cake games. The Steelers are basically the same team that went 15-1 last year. The poor record this year stemmed from injuries early in the season. I thought the Seahawks looked really good against at admittedly injured Panthers team. They completely shut the Panthers down.
This game could have gone either way, but the Seahawks screwed the pooch. The holding call was pretty crappy, but don’t fuck yourself worse by throwing a pick afterwards. Ben’s TD was good, but what concerns me is that the ref called it good. Video was very clear that it was a touchdown, but to spot that from the sideline at full speed would have been VERY difficult.
If the Seahawks had made their field goals and not turned the ball over after the phantom holding call, the game would have been much different at the end (though either team could have still won). They had their chances and they blew them. Crying about the refs is gay.
[quote]wufwugy wrote:
chadman wrote:
In regards to a fix, an interesting item I heard before the game was that the Steelers were the second or third highest sellers of team merchandise, while Seattle was about 27th. Which team would the NFL stand to make the most money from by winning the SuperBowl? Obviously the Steelers. I don’t think NFL games are fixed, but it is interesting to think about the possibilities.
i didn’t think NFL games were fixed until i watched that travesty.
obvious bias agaisnt Seattle as well as basically ignoring Pittsburgh. i recall a particular blatantly obvious defensive offsides on Pitt left uncalled
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Show me the frame on the film of when the ball first moves and show me where that OLB was. Then I’ll believe it. Looked to me like he had the timing of the count. This happened two plays in a row.
Same concern about the horse collar (which I think is a horseshit penalty anyways. However, if you look closely, he grabbed jersey and did not pull backward, but went forwards with the player as they fell.
I’d rather be the underdog. The Steelers would have played better as the underdog. That’s how they got to the big show.
Humm. Not much to say to that.
I still disagree with you. Pittsburgh played a terrible game. They played at about 70% of their potential.
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as much as i’d like to call them the Pittsburgh Stealers, i wont due to respect for fans.[/quote]
Fans don’t really deserve respect … but it is appreciated. I certainly didn’t do anything related to the win. Then again, I suppose it is like respecting a man’s religion (i.e. what he’s devoted to).
You may also choose whether or not to respect the team of players that put together one of the best late season runs in the history of any sport.
Regards,
Mark
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
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Seattle has displayed good sportsmanship thusfar, maybe their fans should follow their lead.
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I am not a Seattle fan and I this was the worst officiating I have ever seen.
It is not poor sportsmanship to discuss this. It is not gay to discuss this.
I am a die hard NFL fan and I just feel sick about this.
After the Super Bowl I cannot wait till the next season starts.
Now I feel like I never want to watch the NFL again.
I do not want to take anything away from the Steelers, they are a good team, but this game is horribly tainted.
They should expunge it from the record books and replay it next week.
I am not a fan of either team but the refs were clearly favoring the Steelers. Granted, the Seahawks did not capitalize on their chances but the refs were brutal.
How can anyone even remotely argue that Roethlisberger scored??? No freaking way was that ball in.
And the holding call on the large pass to the Steelers one? Absolutely atrocious call.
The pass interference on DJ was a toss up but I have to say that you should not be calling that in the SuperBowl. The defender was beat, end of story.
I was hoping for a good game where the refs did not decide the outcome and this game was anything but that. The Steelers definitely did not earn this victory.
[quote]RickJames wrote:
…Ben’s TD was good, but what concerns me is that the ref called it good. Video was very clear that it was a touchdown, but to spot that from the sideline at full speed would have been VERY difficult.
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The official was running in to spot the ball inside the one. After Big Ben slid the ball over the line the official called it a touch down. Inexcusable.
If he would have called it a TD right away it would have been questionable.
The fact that he didn’t makes it even worse.
The biggest controversy was Ben’s TD. Was it over the line? Possibly not.
BUT…it was ruled a TD at the time. To be over turned, there must be incontrovertible evidence, which there wasn’t. From the angle (which was spot-on), you simply couldn’t see 100% whether or not the ball had crossed the plane.
The refs should have not called the TD, then reviewed it, but once they had, the Seahawks were fucked.
Plus, what the fuck was up with Homgren at the end of both halves? Did Hasselbaeck line of for a shotgun at the end of the second? THEY DON’T HAVE A SHOTGUN!
But, yeah: boring fucking game.
Yeah, right, you? A Steelers fan?
I think that the rule (i.e. what’s in the rulebook) is weak. As far as a call, I think it was the right one. If you watch closely, the receiver does actually cause the DB to move backwards (away from the push) … a little bit. And the rule doesn’t even require a shove. If you “hold them up” allowing you to create space, it’s a flag.
The real problem, from the Steelers side, is that the receiver could have made the catch without having made contact … he could have just cut and caught the ball.
I agree. However, to settle this, we need a graphic artist to capture the frame with the ball as far forward as possible, draw an outline of the ball (figure out where it’s at), and see if the ball has crossed the plane of the goal. Otherwise this will go … it crossed … it didn’t cross … it crossed … forever.
Of course, with the technology of the replay booth, this could not have been overturned. If it was NOT called a score, it could not have been overturned. So, it came down to the spur of the moment call on the field.
Steelers defense was doing the “bend don’t break” that they’ve done all year. The shorter field near the end zone helps out the weaker cornerbacks. They just didn’t get the turnovers they usually produce … a missed interception and a fumble after the QB was down (and he looked down to me … that was tricky call that went Seattle’s way … to the nay-sayers).
Talking about nay-sayers … the refs had nothing to do with Alexander getting 95 yards rushing … and doing it VERY quietly. It didn’t effect the game. The mammoth block by Alan Faneca to spring Willie Parker for his 75 yard scamper? That’s the difference in the game.
Really, the 11 point difference makes up for most of the crap that I did see. And, if Ben had his head on straight and threw that ball OVER the DB … Seattle would have been held to 3 for the game. 18 point difference? That isn’t the refs.
Regards,
Mark
[quote]wufwugy wrote:
i didn’t think NFL games were fixed until i watched that travesty.
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Funny, before kickoff my roomate’s girlfriend asked if NFL games were fixed. I said no way.
Boy was I wrong!
But, slighty off-topic…what did everybody think of the Stones?
I kinda thought they were the highlight of the whole shebang.
[quote]jcerbone wrote:
you know i find this VERY funny…i bet you more then 3/4’s of the people who posted on this topic HAVE NEVER PLAYED football in their god damn life be it college,high school or even pee wee football…their all armchair QB’s who sit at home and cry about how people call the damn game when they have never played it themselves…ohh sorry boys VIDEO GAMES DONT COUNT…next time before you cry about how people call the game maybe you should actually play before you try crying about the rules of the game…you might understand how things go…its people like you who make me sick…always putting down someone else who did good just to make your sorry skinny ass feel better about yourself[/quote]
First of all, what does any of us playing football have to do with the way the game was officiated *horribly I might add. I played football. Does that mean that I can whine about the refs more than someone else?
This was a dumb post.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
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Seattle has displayed good sportsmanship thusfar, maybe their fans should follow their lead.
I am not a Seattle fan and I this was the worst officiating I have ever seen.
It is not poor sportsmanship to discuss this. It is not gay to discuss this.
I am a die hard NFL fan and I just feel sick about this.
After the Super Bowl I cannot wait till the next season starts.
Now I feel like I never want to watch the NFL again.
I do not want to take anything away from the Steelers, they are a good team, but this game is horribly tainted.
They should expunge it from the record books and replay it next week.
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I agree with every point.
But hey…13 days till pitchers and catchers.
Go Red Sox!
This is a pretty funny thread. First, I’d like to say that this game was not well-played by either team. Second, to whoever said Seattle wouldn’t have even made the playoffs in the AFC - that’s just an absurd statement with no basis. Third, the officiating wasn’t atrocious. It wasn’t great either, but let’s face it, the officiating didn’t really determine the outcome of the game. If you want to argue that BR didn’t score, fine, that could have gone either way. Do you think they would have kept them out on 4th down and 1 inch to go? The O-interference was actually a correct call per the rules. I thought it was ticky tack, but that’s the rule and he clearly pushed away right as he broke for the ball. Like someone else said, it’s been called ALL season long just like that. Fourth, Seattle flat out sucked when the game was on the line. The only reason it was relatively close at the end was because BR threw one of the worst passes in SB history that took away an EASY TD that turned into the only TD for Seattle after a long return. Two missed FGs (granted, not gimmees, but indoors), perhaps the worst clock management in recent years and just a lack of playmaking is what determined this game, not the officiating. Btw, I’m a Browns fan and absolutely HATE the Steelers, so you can’t accuse me of bias too.
DB
[quote]harris447 wrote:
But, slighty off-topic…what did everybody think of the Stones?
I kinda thought they were the highlight of the whole shebang.[/quote]
I thought they were not at their best. The sound wasn’t very good.
I saw them this summer and they were terrific.
Sadly they were the highlight of the night.
The national anthem was terrible.
The game play was weak.
The officiating was the worst ever.
The commercials were below average.
I think the Super Bowl has jumped the shark.
Exactly.
The reffing was bad, but the Seahawks were responsible for losing the game.
[quote]boonville410 wrote:
wufwugy wrote:
i didn’t think NFL games were fixed until i watched that travesty.
Funny, before kickoff my roomate’s girlfriend asked if NFL games were fixed. I said no way.
Boy was I wrong![/quote]
The phantom push off was horrible. The ref wasnt going to call it until the Stillers back complained or said “remember we’re supposed to win.” There was more contact at the goal line from the DB hitting the receiver a few seconds earlier. Thats as blatent as you get and nobody could defend that call. It was simply terrible.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
harris447 wrote:
But, slighty off-topic…what did everybody think of the Stones?
I kinda thought they were the highlight of the whole shebang.
I thought they were not at their best. The sound wasn’t very good.
I saw them this summer and they were terrific.
Sadly they were the highlight of the night.
The national anthem was terrible.
The game play was weak.
The officiating was the worst ever.
The commercials were below average.
I think the Super Bowl has jumped the shark.[/quote]
Where did you see them (the Stones)? Arena or stadium?
I got to see them in 92 at Giant Stadium. Still one of the greatest shows ever.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Just had to say amen on the officiating; horrible…and I didn’t care who won the game. How about the “Blocking below the waist” call on the QB on the TACKLE in the 4th Q…[/quote]
I wasn’t rooting for either team, but without two bad calls, we’re probably looking at a game going in to overtime, which would have been awesome.
1st ridiculous call: Ticky-tack push-off foul on the TD – it wasn’t as if he was pushing him off while running his route, it was essentially a broken play and they were jostling each other for position. Net harm: 4 points. (Seahawks kicked a Figgie on that drive).
2nd ridiculous call: Phantom holding on Hassleback’s pass to the 3 yard line. Net harm: I’m saying 7 points.
Other crappy calls:
The above mentioned “illegal block” on a tackle attempt by Hassleback on his interception, which was the direct result of the 2nd ridiculous call.
The other phantom hold, on the punt return in the first or second quarter – great return, came all the way back.
And another ticky-tack hold called on one of Shawn Alexander’s long runs in the 4th Q.
All props to the Steelers for the longest run in SB history, the great reverse pass (set up by the earlier end-around), and for putting together a great clock-killer of a drive in the 4th Q that nailed the coffin on Seattle.
However, I hate it when it looks like the officials handed one side the game, and this was pretty egregious.
[quote]wufwugy wrote:
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Seattle dominated the game until they didn’t fucking care cuz they knew the refs were on the take, but we’ll not hear any complaining because they’ll get fined up the asshole.
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Seattle dominated everything save the final score – they had more yards, more time of possession, and fewer turnovers. If someone had bet me that they could do that and still lose, I would have been out a bunch of money…
That said, they did miss those two field goals and had absolutlely horrible clock management at the end of both halves.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
But, slighty off-topic…what did everybody think of the Stones?
I kinda thought they were the highlight of the whole shebang.[/quote]
The highlight? Oh man, I thought they were terrible, and I’m a Stones fan.