I’ve heard good things about that. In full disclosure: I am banned from frying eggs in my house. My wife has a sensitive nose and INSISTS that I “always burn my eggs” when I cook them. The compromise we’ve reached is this: anytime I want eggs, she will cook them for me.
I call this a win.
I am an empty vessel.
Teach me you ways. 
Dude, shhh, shhh, shhh. You can’t let them know we’ve weaponized incompetence.
Used heavy cream in Beverly protein… unreal good
I prefer Metabolic Drive 
Big fan… Beverly has always tasted incredibly good though. Thicker. Chocolate MD is delicious too. no powder anymore. Tons of beef tabs and mass aminos - hydrolyzed casein
Their strawberry with half & half was incredible.
MD or Beverly ?
Beverly, but I used to mix all of my shakes with either milk or half & half.
Grow! Didn’t need it. They somehow made that stuff like extra smooth & creamy.
Ya Beverly is very tasty
@Gspot93 I think the powerful lesson to be learned here is there are a lot of roads to Rome and it’s totally valid to go with your preference. Pick one and go all in; the only mistake is trying to follow two paths simultaneously- that goes nowhere.
Keep us posted!
How long have you known her for?
Duh dum chhh !
I’ve tried so many different training methods over the years, and nearly as many different diet approaches. I’ve noticed that when i train consistently and take care with what i eat, i get stronger, leaner and more muscular, and when i don’t do those things, i don’t.
The actual methods don’t really seem to impact my progress very much. I’m sure if i was approaching an elite level in a discipline the details become more important, but in 20+ years, there’s been less than a handful of times in which i’ve put effort in and not got results.
It is not much. Animals are not targeting animals for their milk. They kill a lactating animal by chance most likely in the Spring and when going at the mammary glands there is milk. Same with the stomach contents of the kill. It is just there. No one is arguing for eating vegetation on carnivore because it is “part of the kill”.
But you ignored the main point and picked out one word
To me it is simple. A big argument in favor of carnivore, including Shawn Baker, is that it is how man evolved to eat. Ancestral man hunted and thrived on meat. That they were basically carnivores (which is wrong). If that is the case, then animal products that can be hunted or gathered would just be animal meat, including organs, blood, bone/marrow, and eggs. Early man was not milking wild animals.
Blood is mostly protein. There would be less than a gram of carbs in a liter. Man got their carbs from other sources.
However, the argument for the Inuit being “carb-free” is wrong because cold-water mammals have naturally higher levels of glucose in their blood/meat, which was needed in an environment where vegetation was scarce.
But I do not know what the point of bringing up the milk in a kill or carbs in blood is for. Neither would be a substantial amount, especially the milk. My initial post said you will not gain on a carnivore diet unless you include dairy. Dairy is not carnivore. Carnivores do not go in search of it. Man would not have been able to obtain it before domestication. You brought up Shawn Baker, but he is not really a fan and only uses it when gaining. He allowed it for flexibility on the diet and because he has mentioned how it is helpful when mass is the goal.
I never mentioned carbs being needed. People gain on keto, but they use a variety of food sources like nuts, avocados, and dairy.
The problem was that there were two arguments (?) going. You say dairy is carnivore, and the other guy went on a rant about carbs not being needed to gain mass but, cannot provide examples of people who did it on just meat. When you look online every example is of heavy/obese/overweight people who used it to get healthy, lose weight or fat.
That is why high fat is always pushed the goal is always to lose and keep satiated. Dr. Ken Berry suggests eating 70/30 ground to keep it simple/in budget. That would not get you enough protein as 2 lbs. would be under 130 grams yet 3000 calories. As jskrabac mentioned the ones who have muscle are on the very least TRT+. (No dairy)
You have been well above 200 lbs, lean enough, and with strength/muscle. You dropped a lot of fat/weight on a carnivore-type approach and looked flat and a bit sick. You did not put on muscle when you gained, at least not new muscle. It was just filling back up and muscle memory.
When you gained a bit back, you were using carb days, dairy, and food items like pork rinds and bacon. You mentioned how you practically gorged yourself (the cruise?) and still looked lean, if not leaner, and that was while using dairy. When you mentioned the possibility of gaining, you wrote it would allow you to now use more dairy.
I have done carnivore; you still do it. Could you honestly say you could get back to, say, 190 lbs. from your lean 168 lbs. eating only meat and eggs? I really doubt it.
**Weird that we both got down to 168lbs on carnivore. I actually got to 166 lbs when I had to tap out.
Well, yeah. I fully admitted to that. I wanted to discuss nuance. I felt as though I made my intent very clear there.
I’m not having an argument with you here my dude. I’m not trying to convince you that you are wrong and that I am right. I am wanting to have a discussion. I’m wanting to understand your perspective. When I see an absolute statement (carnivore is only animal flesh), I ponder and question it.
No doubt. Once again: this is the nuance I like to discuss.
EXACTLY! See: this is the stuff I find fascinating. I’ve seen so many folks say “Carnivore is ZERO carb” and it just doesn’t seem to actually apply in reality. It’s also why I bring up eggs: they tend to actually contain a decent amount of carb, especially when eating them in Gaston like quantities.
Discussion. Polite dialog. The joy of conversing with my fellow man on a topic we find fascinating.
Like this. What’s also fascinating is there are, as far as I’m aware, limited definitions of what IS a carnivore. My understanding is that carnivore animals exist in various categories.
I apologize for this being wikipedia, but ya know how it goes
And then we look at what the definition of a “hypercarnivore” is
So now we’re looking at “carnivore” actually meaning ONLY 70% of the nutrition comes from animal foods.
So how do we get a definition of what is and is not carnivore beyond this?
Again: this is stuff I find fascinating: how language works and evolves over time.
I would disagree with this. Never carb days. I would have one day where one MEAL would have carbs in it, but funny enough, I found that omitting this meal caused me to gain/hold onto weight more, whereas including it regularly helped me break through a leanness plateau.
Eh, again, I feel this misrepresents, unless we’re counting butter and cheese in the equation here, and even then, I used very limited cheese.
No doubt whatsoever. I have a pretty much limitless appetite for eggs. I’d say the only issue would be cost prohbitiveness of such an approach, as I eat pastured eggs and they can get pricey. But I’d have no issues taking down 20+ eggs per meal.
Hah, interesting indeed. I saw 164 on the scale at one point. I never intentionally reversed course either: my body just needed to hit a break point and then rebound it seemed.
