Does anyone know what the all-time highest sumo pull is and who it was done by.
I’ve read that only a few have broken 900 with sumo, but I don’t know who or by how much.
I’m curious how far we are from seeing a 1000 lb sumo.
909.4 (412.5) *3.17X 308 (140) Maxim Podtynny (Russia/72) 12/10/01 (412.5 kg. @ 130.0 kg. Heaviest sumo deadlift of all time.) (Nyagan, Russia) (IPF)
I have wondered this myself. I think the secret will lie in gear-technique mastery. Often it is taken for granted that suits don’t help your pull much and for most lifters, that is true. However, there are a few guys that have learned to pull in incredibly tight suits. For them, I don’t think 150lbs of carryover is unreasonable to achieve as a sumo puller. It’s just a matter of being able get down into a strong position with a restrictive suit.
A friend with a low 600s raw pull was working in a Metal IPF squat suit that was so tight, the straps would literally cut his shoulders. He hit 725 for a double in that suit. Given this kind of carryover form gear, it is quite possible a big sumo puller could get depp into the 900s and maybe a 1000.
Pinto, that’s insane. How does he get to the bar? any special techniques?? I assume it was a viking V-type??
In an Interview with Critical Bench Ed Coan said he thinks he might be able to pull 1000lbs if he could ever pull Sumo again.
Ya know, none of the rulebooks say anything about someone helping you get down to the bar. Kind of a stupid idea, but what if a partner were to push down on your hips just to help you reach the bar, lol. its possible.
I would have thought there’d have been something in the rulebook about only the lifter being allowed on the platform during the deadlift.
Even if there wasn’t, I’m sure there’d be an amendment put in pretty quickly tp prevent it!
Oh i know! you tie a rope around your hips, with 4 feet or so of length left over, and loop the end under the bar, pull on it to crank yourself down, grab the bar and your good.
Or you could just use a forklift.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Pinto, that’s insane. How does he get to the bar? any special techniques?? I assume it was a viking V-type??
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Yup, he used a V-type. For starters, he used a very wide stance and has relatively long arms. He did the usual tight suit technique- get his fingers on one hand to the bar and use that light grip to pull himslef down so he could get his other hand on the bar, then reset his grip on the first hand.
The only drawback I saw to this was that it took him a while to set up and he was still a little inconsistent with hitting the right groove. However, had some of the best sumo technique I ever saw.
I think the thing that made a big difference for him was he actually trained in his gear- as opposed to exclusively training raw and just slapping on a suit at the meet hoping that it will all come together like most of us do.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Pinto, that’s insane. How does he get to the bar? any special techniques?? I assume it was a viking V-type??
Yup, he used a V-type. For starters, he used a very wide stance and has relatively long arms. He did the usual tight suit technique- get his fingers on one hand to the bar and use that light grip to pull himslef down so he could get his other hand on the bar, then reset his grip on the first hand.
The only drawback I saw to this was that it took him a while to set up and he was still a little inconsistent with hitting the right groove. However, had some of the best sumo technique I ever saw.
I think the thing that made a big difference for him was he actually trained in his gear- as opposed to exclusively training raw and just slapping on a suit at the meet hoping that it will all come together like most of us do. [/quote]
I see… thanks for the reply. You don’t remember what grade of Metal gear it was do you? Regular, Viking or King like?
That’s an absolutely sick amount of carry over. I’m VERY jealous. I’d be happy even getting have of that.
I might try wearing my suit on my DE lower days and do my 8-10 sumo singles with it on. From reading their logs over at Team Supertraining they seem to be doing the same with good results.
[quote]evansmi wrote:
Ya know, none of the rulebooks say anything about someone helping you get down to the bar. Kind of a stupid idea, but what if a partner were to push down on your hips just to help you reach the bar, lol. its possible.[/quote]
THe IPF rule book does:
- During any competition taking place on a platform or stage, only the lifter and his coach, members of
the Jury, officiating referees, spotter / loaders and the Technical Controller will be allowed around the
platform or on the stage. During the execution of the lift, only the lifter, spotter / loaders and the
referees are permitted to be present on the platform. Coaches shall remain within the designated
coaching area as defined by the Jury or Technical Officer in charge.
The lift starts at, “bars loaded.”
The only exception is at local meets you are allowed a lift off person but at National/International events a lift off person is provided and technically considered a spotter.
Great post.
Our sumo lifters typically get good carry-over on their sumo pull and are gradually worked into what most people would consider insanely tight straps. Keeping the hips snug but not tight helps you get to the bar but the keys is practice. 15-20% is what we aim for but believe me when I tell you I have coached tons of lifters who just couldn’t adapt primarily b/c they wouldn’t take the time and sometimes I think because of feelings of claustrophobia.
I am ofter puzzled by why the WR pull isn’t sumo because of exactly what you typed. Perhaps people who stick with conventional are the people basically built to pull. Human cranes if you will.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Pinto, that’s insane. How does he get to the bar? any special techniques?? I assume it was a viking V-type??
Yup, he used a V-type. For starters, he used a very wide stance and has relatively long arms. He did the usual tight suit technique- get his fingers on one hand to the bar and use that light grip to pull himslef down so he could get his other hand on the bar, then reset his grip on the first hand.
The only drawback I saw to this was that it took him a while to set up and he was still a little inconsistent with hitting the right groove. However, had some of the best sumo technique I ever saw.
I think the thing that made a big difference for him was he actually trained in his gear- as opposed to exclusively training raw and just slapping on a suit at the meet hoping that it will all come together like most of us do. [/quote]
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
evansmi wrote:
Ya know, none of the rulebooks say anything about someone helping you get down to the bar. Kind of a stupid idea, but what if a partner were to push down on your hips just to help you reach the bar, lol. its possible.
THe IPF rule book does:
- During any competition taking place on a platform or stage, only the lifter and his coach, members of the Jury, officiating referees, spotter / loaders and the Technical Controller will be allowed around the platform or on the stage. During the execution of the lift, only the lifter, spotter / loaders and the referees are permitted to be present on the platform. Coaches shall remain within the designated coaching area as defined by the Jury or Technical Officer in charge.
The lift starts at, “bars loaded.”
The only exception is at local meets you are allowed a lift off person but at National/International events a lift off person is provided and technically considered a spotter.[/quote]
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
evansmi wrote:
Ya know, none of the rulebooks say anything about someone helping you get down to the bar. Kind of a stupid idea, but what if a partner were to push down on your hips just to help you reach the bar, lol. its possible.
THe IPF rule book does:
- During any competition taking place on a platform or stage, only the lifter and his coach, members of
the Jury, officiating referees, spotter / loaders and the Technical Controller will be allowed around the
platform or on the stage. During the execution of the lift, only the lifter, spotter / loaders and the
referees are permitted to be present on the platform. Coaches shall remain within the designated
coaching area as defined by the Jury or Technical Officer in charge.
The lift starts at, “bars loaded.”
The only exception is at local meets you are allowed a lift off person but at National/International events a lift off person is provided and technically considered a spotter.[/quote]
Yeah, i hope you guys know i was only joking.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Great post.
I am ofter puzzled by why the WR pull isn’t sumo because of exactly what you typed. Perhaps people who stick with conventional are the people basically built to pull. Human cranes if you will.
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I’ve wondered the same myself and came to the same conclusion. Sumo is theoretically superior, many of the lighter lifters use it. But why not the big boys?
And don’t forget for the heavier guys, their belly is SUPPOSED to get in the way while they’re pulling conventionally and inhibiting them. but it doesn’t…
As apw said, the only real explanation is that they’re human cranes build to pull big.
[quote]evansmi wrote:
Yeah, i hope you guys know i was only joking.
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Nah, but that has more to do with the internet. I could see it happening elsewhere, though. That would be a new low.
[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
I’ve wondered the same myself and came to the same conclusion. Sumo is theoretically superior, many of the lighter lifters use it. But why not the big boys?[/quote]
Siders and Cardella both pull Sumo and Coan pulled kind of a hybrid.
It is odd though that the real freaky pulls you see (Coans aside) the majority are done conventional.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
johnnytang24 wrote:
I’ve wondered the same myself and came to the same conclusion. Sumo is theoretically superior, many of the lighter lifters use it. But why not the big boys?
Siders and Cardella both pull Sumo and Coan pulled kind of a hybrid.
It is odd though that the real freaky pulls you see (Coans aside) the majority are done conventional.
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Both are awesome (I especially like Siders lifting), but neither one is top 10 for their weight class. No disrespect meant for either lifter. There are really only a couple out of the top 275lbs+ lifters that are sumo.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
I am ofter puzzled by why the WR pull isn’t sumo because of exactly what you typed. Perhaps people who stick with conventional are the people basically built to pull. Human cranes if you will.
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Here’s my screwy theory why more big pulls happen conventional style. It comes down to height, hands and femurs. A guy could have insane back and leg power, but if he has little hands, his pull will be limited. Long fingers and big hands are key. Guys with pulls in the high eights and nines have big damn hands. Big hands tend to grow on big, tall men. Tall men tend to have long legs- long femurs specifically. That long lever makes for an inefficient and unstable transfer of power through the floor. Simply put- long legged lifters are stronger in a closer stance.