I’m curious, the guys talking about putting 100lbs on their deadlift in 16 weeks ,or 7 months, or the guys saying “want to deadlift more, don’t deadlift.” What are your best deadlifts at what bodyweight?
[quote]ED3180 wrote:
I’m curious, the guys talking about putting 100lbs on their deadlift in 16 weeks ,or 7 months, or the guys saying “want to deadlift more, don’t deadlift.” What are your best deadlifts at what bodyweight?[/quote]
…what?
[quote]ED3180 wrote:
I’m curious, the guys talking about putting 100lbs on their deadlift in 16 weeks ,or 7 months, or the guys saying “want to deadlift more, don’t deadlift.” What are your best deadlifts at what bodyweight?[/quote]
My best pull so far is 600 at 235
462 at 148. I was 25. 505 at 180 when I was 34. 585 at 200 lbs last October . Now getting close to 600 or more weighing app 204. For a meet I’d cut to 198. Josh expects 625-650 from me after my 16 weeks.
I don’t buy the I can’t recover stuff. Mainly because I did believe it once. Now I’m lifting more volume wise and it’s working . But the foam, stretching, nutrition is all dialed in.
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Are you stretching daily? 30 seconds minimum each hold. And I mean post workout static stretching. Are you getting adequate nutrition? Are you warming up properly? Do you believe you can get better?
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I don’t buy Gpp for the deadlift . I buy spp. As in deadlifts . Get those reps in at the 60-80% range. Again check my post.
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Deload with half the volume and 60% of the weight every fourth week.
I don’t know what he’ll have me do week nine . I’m guessing heavy doubles followed by singles in the 470-490 range with three minutes rest after my heavy pulls. We’ll see.
You guys make me feel weak haha. I’ve been lifting for about 5 years, but my problem is that every year I had wrestling season and had to drop 20 pounds to make weight and lost most of my strength, and I’m working up to a 335 max at 170. I got some time to get it up though haha. And my best pulls are 300@150 and then 335 at 170.
[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
It’s because you didn’t train your conventional DL. I didn’t DL over 300 lbs for 7 months but managed to hit 335x4 the first time back. I didn’t DL, I just trained all the muscles involved. If you want to deadlift more, don’t deadlift.
Luke[/quote]
I did 10+ sets of DLs every week for 10 weeks. Then I pulled 600.
If you want to Deadlift more, deadlift more.[/quote]
I didn’t deadlift for 15 weeks and went from 560 to 600 for a double… Just saying.
[quote]cagemitch wrote:
You guys make me feel weak haha. I’ve been lifting for about 5 years, but my problem is that every year I had wrestling season and had to drop 20 pounds to make weight and lost most of my strength, and I’m working up to a 335 max at 170. I got some time to get it up though haha. And my best pulls are 300@150 and then 335 at 170.[/quote]
Why did you bump a 4 year old thread thread to talk about how much stronger every one else is.
I don’t have time to read the whole thread, but…
Deadlifting is a hugely anatomically reliant lift. No two of us are going to use exactly the same leverages, and therefore no two of us are going to use the same muscles in exactly the same proportion.
OP, you are in a pretty good place when you can do two awesome lifts and get stronger on both.
I guess there is some science to training weak points, and not just following the SAID principle to the T.
Awesome lifts by the way. I wish I was as strong as you when I was your age.
My advice would be wash, rinse, repeat, and love life. You cannot beat PR’s like you are describing. I would roll with it for as long as possible.
Yes, “knowing why” will benefit you, but (for me) unless I have measurements on your limbs, videos of your form under load on both lifts, access to your logs, etc…I will not be able to give you a definite answer why. You are kind of on your own there haha. You know yourself best. Go with what you know/feel/experience because that is the best way to make progress IMO.
I have found that sometimes, lifting is literally just “well, it worked last time, so lets add 5 lbs and do 'er again.”
Keep your form clean (and consistent!), and your weights heavy my man. You seem to be off to a great start.
If you can provide us with some more info (like I mentioned above), I am sure that we would all get a kick out of discussing it for days haha.
Have a great day man!
[quote]Reed wrote:
[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
It’s because you didn’t train your conventional DL. I didn’t DL over 300 lbs for 7 months but managed to hit 335x4 the first time back. I didn’t DL, I just trained all the muscles involved. If you want to deadlift more, don’t deadlift.
Luke[/quote]
I did 10+ sets of DLs every week for 10 weeks. Then I pulled 600.
If you want to Deadlift more, deadlift more.[/quote]
I didn’t deadlift for 15 weeks and went from 560 to 600 for a double… Just saying.[/quote]
I don’t know what’s difficult about the concept that if you train weak points or the same muscles you use in the lift you will get stronger in that lift.
Theoretically you don’t have to do any of the big 3 to actually get better them, but it can be considerably simpler to just train them or variations.
I pull 505 both ways, the only difference being I pull conventional in Olympic shoes (I feel it gives me more leg drive) and sumo in flat shoes or bare feet.
[quote]amayakyrol wrote:
[quote]Reed wrote:
[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
It’s because you didn’t train your conventional DL. I didn’t DL over 300 lbs for 7 months but managed to hit 335x4 the first time back. I didn’t DL, I just trained all the muscles involved. If you want to deadlift more, don’t deadlift.
Luke[/quote]
I did 10+ sets of DLs every week for 10 weeks. Then I pulled 600.
If you want to Deadlift more, deadlift more.[/quote]
I didn’t deadlift for 15 weeks and went from 560 to 600 for a double… Just saying.[/quote]
I don’t know what’s difficult about the concept that if you train weak points or the same muscles you use in the lift you will get stronger in that lift.
Theoretically you don’t have to do any of the big 3 to actually get better them, but it can be considerably simpler to just train them or variations.
I pull 505 both ways, the only difference being I pull conventional in Olympic shoes (I feel it gives me more leg drive) and sumo in flat shoes or bare feet.
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I have never heard of people pulling in oly shoes.
Maybe I will give that a go next session to try it out.
It might help me push through my heels more?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]rugggby wrote:
[quote]BenchPressSwede wrote:
With conventional deadlifts I feel it a lot more in my legs. Sumo hits your lower back more. I guess it depends on where you are stronger. The sumo deadlifts also decrease the distance the bar travels, which makes it easier for a lot of people[/quote]
Ive always thought the opposite[/quote]
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You can keep your torso more upright in sumo and set your hips lower getting your legs into it more.[/quote]
Agreed. Sumo uses much more hip/leg and not nearly as much lower back as conv.
[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
It’s because you didn’t train your conventional DL. I didn’t DL over 300 lbs for 7 months but managed to hit 335x4 the first time back. I didn’t DL, I just trained all the muscles involved. If you want to deadlift more, don’t deadlift.
Luke[/quote]
I did 10+ sets of DLs every week for 10 weeks. Then I pulled 600.
If you want to Deadlift more, deadlift more.[/quote]
It goes in phases. Sometimes you need to hit it hard to break through, and sometimes you need to just not deadlift for a while, get stronger in other ways, and come back to it later. It’s a brutal lift.
When I did 5/3/1 I made the most improvements when my weights were set on the light side and I was hitting 8-12 reps on my last sets. High volume sets pulling really helped me. I think my best rep set was 595 for 8 or 10.
i alternate DLing with conv and sumo. it’s important to vary training. i find execution of one transitions and makes the other stronger.
My and eys don’t wor sorry wll try to use synonyms
Haldor now restructure deads. Thought sumo would be better for me, but was destroy my patellas. Now however Haldor once more on regular deads, but closer stance. Feels so much more comfortable. Except now my erectors and lats are not strong so that’s what Haldor restructure.
Strange, my sumo rac pull was 100lb more than my conv. rac pull but my conv. pull was around 80lb more than my sumo pull. Maybe Haldor should do more rac pulls now, but anyway. Don’t hear the people that say you have sumo body or conv. body, play around to see what be best for you.
[quote]Haldor wrote:
My and eys don’t wor sorry wll try to use synonyms
Haldor now restructure deads. Thought sumo would be better for me, but was destroy my patellas. Now however Haldor once more on regular deads, but closer stance. Feels so much more comfortable. Except now my erectors and lats are not strong so that’s what Haldor restructure.
Strange, my sumo rac pull was 100lb more than my conv. rac pull but my conv. pull was around 80lb more than my sumo pull. Maybe Haldor should do more rac pulls now, but anyway. Don’t hear the people that say you have sumo body or conv. body, play around to see what be best for you.[/quote]
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I would seriously consider and experiment with your frequency in the conv. Deadlift, I would guess with information provided you over-trained your conv. Deadlift and stopped doing it and when you started over found it increased? Not saying you should change over to Conv. again but your going to need to experiment, many see sumo as a better leverage lift but certain muscles don’t come into full play as the conventional, the reason you really don’t see many 900 plus and 1000 plus sumo deads…