[quote]cyph31 wrote:
oh come the fuck on
anyone above the age of 14 or 15 including those in their 20’s feels like this every day, the question is can you push that shit to the back of your mind and occupy yourself with something else
boo hoo your wonderful world of teenage idealism fell apart, too fucking bad[/quote]
How old are you?
I wonder if any of the people on this thread that have it all figured out have ever been intimately touched by a suicide.
I have. At age 12, late at night on December 23 1984, my mother commited suicide by jumping off of the Smithfield street bridge in Pittsburgh PA. I read about it as I delivered the news paper that morning, but her name was not released at the time of printing.
I found out when my father returned home from the police station. He had to bring pictures of her to be identified by witnesses and confirmed by items from her purse, as her body was washed away and never found.
I can tell you this- It has affected my life very badly. You speculators can save all of the guessing about what goes through a persons head and what their motives were when they take their own lives.
I’ve done it for 24 years and still haven’t figured it out. I’ve read alot of books on the subject, and even taken a few psychology courses to no avail. No other person will ever truly know what a person who does that was thinking.
The moral judgements, financial breakdowns, and all of the smack talk in between mean absolutely nothing. I’ve tried all of those any many more in an attempt to come to terms with my own loss, and none of them fill the bill.
You know why?
Because someone that people loved is dead, and that hurts. Deep down in your soul, resonating through your body until it feels like your chest has collapsed and your throat has shut tight, it hurts.
So Please, save the speculation, the territorial pissing by trying to be smarter than, and all of the other bullshit that some of you internet rocket scientists have to offer, and let this thread fade into the archives.
it has begun:
"no bodybilding is fine but when you start taking drugs to get bigger like roids those make you depressed. people that are on steriods are always commiting suicide. there was just a senior at my school that killed him self within the last month.
Guess what he was on the roids. Steriods and other pills to help you get bigger are proven to give you suicidal thoughts. just though that i would out my 2 cents in"
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This also has little to do with feeling sorry for the guy committing suicide. It has more to do with simply acting like a human being and not trivializing death until someone actually does it.[/quote]
well put
[quote]cyph31 wrote:
oh come the fuck on
anyone above the age of 14 or 15 including those in their 20’s feels like this every day, the question is can you push that shit to the back of your mind and occupy yourself with something else
boo hoo your wonderful world of teenage idealism fell apart, too fucking bad[/quote]
Do you know ANYTHING about the brain?
This kid probably had an overactive cingulate (getting stuck on thoughts–think OCD) . decreased activity in the frontal lobes (trouble thinking). decreased activity in the temporal lobes (short fuse) and increased activity in the limbic system (moodiness).
Or maybe he had none of those. He probably never got his head SPECT’d so we dont know.
The point is dont assume everyone has a brain like yours or similar decision-making process.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
Suicide is the cowards way out.
Great, let’s trivialize this and not look at any deeper issues. Because after all that would involve shades of grey and that’s not the Alpha Male way, is it?
We’ll just make it black and white and easier for you to accept, that way everyone who offs themselves is bad, whereas those who just put their heads down and trudge along is some kind of courageous hero[/quote]
applause
Well said bud…
This is now a headline on Yahoo.
I’m more weirded out by the teenagers and 20-something pseudo alpha-males ON HERE, saying BS like “tough shit, loser was WEAK, suicide is for losers, not for the strong…ain’t that right guyz, guyz???” than by the posts on bb.com
Death is serious shit. Death ain’t something that gives your skinny motherfucking 15 year old punk ass an opportunity to feel holy over someone else’s expense.
"Send not to know for whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee ."
In real life, I base criticism both on performance/behavior but tone it down to more or less reflect the sensitivity of the individual. I’m glad I do that.
People getting laughs or even trying to downplay this as someone “Dealing with every day shit” are the disgusting scum of the earth. The least educated, lowest fucking common demominator of society.
The true tragedy, beyond the death of a young man whose parents will now have to bury him, is that member’s of the fitness community had an opportunity to offer insight and understanding to a man that needed help, instead, they decided to act like drunken frat boys. Truly disgusting, way to prove everyone right about us all being meat-heads.
Maybe you don’t understand suicide, or depression, or any mental illnesses, but have a little fucking respect for a kid with a family. Because a little respect might have saved a fucking life.
I think what alot of you people dont realize is everyone has their own breaking point, and can be pushed to that point by external forces. Consider yourselves lucky that you havent.
I have actually had somebody trying to commit suicide on cam, while I was speaking to them online. Good ol’ msn. Brings every crazy motherfucker in contact with everyone, all over the world. “hey, watch me take these pills while you watch helplessly because I’ve pretended I’m a woman on a website for years and I’m a man”. Yeah, that was the premise, but who knows the depth of all the damage that led up to that point right?
I did my best, I said what I could and did all I could to stop a suicide in fucking WALES from CALIFORNIA, but that man/woman was all bluster and no hurricane. I’m sad for this person that really took their own life, but many out there online are really looking for a person to suck into their sickness.
I have sympathy for people and I am made of compassion. I think nothing less of people that want to die. I would do everything in my power to show them the love and joy in life, but nobody can do that for anybody. You can shine the light but if they can only see black, there is nothing bright enough on this planet you can shine into their hearts. They will go if they want to go. I hold no anger for them, no disrespect… not even disappointment. Only sorrow. I hope they all reach the peace they sought. Every single one of them.
There was an article about this in the paper, I can scan and post it, if anyone wants.
Not what I;d expect from the great triple-10 sets, but
GREAT POST, kiddo.
[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
I think what alot of you people dont realize is everyone has their own breaking point, and can be pushed to that point by external forces. Consider yourselves lucky that you havent. [/quote]
On a side note, 4chan losers have chopped the kid’s pics already. They seem to have taken the page down thankfully, but I saved all the images and can post them here if anyone likes.
They’re not that bad, just…tasteless.
Another suicide. Not for everyone. Although its mature and you need an account–its not graphic in my mind.
[quote]Molotov_Coktease wrote:
I have actually had somebody trying to commit suicide on cam, while I was speaking to them online. Good ol’ msn. Brings every crazy motherfucker in contact with everyone, all over the world. “hey, watch me take these pills while you watch helplessly because I’ve pretended I’m a woman on a website for years and I’m a man”. Yeah, that was the premise, but who knows the depth of all the damage that led up to that point right?
I did my best, I said what I could and did all I could to stop a suicide in fucking WALES from CALIFORNIA, but that man/woman was all bluster and no hurricane. I’m sad for this person that really took their own life, but many out there online are really looking for a person to suck into their sickness.
I have sympathy for people and I am made of compassion. I think nothing less of people that want to die. I would do everything in my power to show them the love and joy in life, but nobody can do that for anybody. You can shine the light but if they can only see black, there is nothing bright enough on this planet you can shine into their hearts. They will go if they want to go. I hold no anger for them, no disrespect… not even disappointment. Only sorrow. I hope they all reach the peace they sought. Every single one of them. [/quote]
I agree with the sentiment you tried to get across here. If this did occur, I would likely not respond to the person aside from asking them to get professional help. I am also sure that because this one case got this much attention, others will now try to copy his actions (even if they don’t go all of the way through with it) just so they can get tons of people to look at them.
That is what youtube is all about anyway.
Seriously. What is this ‘Darwinism’ bullshit?
If your kid - or, when you end up being a parent someday - commits suicide, and your neighbors says, “Ah, well, that’s Darwinism.”
Do you smile and nod in agreement? Or do you hand the motherfucker a shovel, point a gun at his forehead and ask him to bury himself?
[quote]humanimal wrote:
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He was black? sad, very sad
The people here judging the people on bb.com who posted ‘nasty’ messages need to grow up. It is the misc section and comments such as fo/ky (fuck off/kill yourself) are common and it doesn’t mean you really want someone to kill themselves.
The guy who topped himself knew exactly the type of comments he would get posting there. He wasn’t seeking help.
How on earth were they meant to know he was actually going to commit suicide? The guy had pretended to commit suicide before as a joke (as have several other members of forums I visit). He has gone on webcam before and ‘ODed’ (they were really tictacs or something similar). How were they meant to know that the guy was serious this time? People say they will commit suicide all the time.
As for those here judging people who aren’t bothered by it: FUCK YOU. Most of you don’t really give a shit. There are millions in the world starving and nobody does sweet fuck all about it and yet everyone attacks those who admit they don’t really care or don’t think they could have done anything about it.
I know when I have my daily beer that I could have instead saved a childs life and I drink it anyway. At least I have the intellectual honesty to admit that I care more about my beer than a child starving. And this is coming from someone who donates 10% of his income to charity (burns victims) which is a sight more than most of the ‘compassionate’ dickheads around who whine about how nobody cares anymore.
N.B. I wasn’t trying to insult many people on here because in general you are all good folk. Just some people in my life at the moment harassing me because I don’t ‘care’ and yet I do more to help society than any of them. Yet supposably I am the heartless one.