[quote]SSC wrote:
SBPnewbie wrote:
I got up early this morning, I just couldn’t sleep, now I am waiting to head to the fire station. I was looking at the forum and ran across this thread, very sad. I have ran across a lot of suicide attempts as well as successful ones, it is nothing pretty and very sad. I was like a bunch of these TROLLS that say “they are weak, why cant they talk to someone!” But then something happen, after responding to calls of such nature my life became their life, I was depressed and sad from seeing this first hand. I was actually becoming them from their suicides, sad.
I talked to a shrink and researched the subject myself, just LIKE diseases that are out their, depression is TRUE it is a disease, it is due to the lack of serotonin or dopamine in the brain and YES sometimes we do need medication. It is so easy to bash these people unless you have experienced it yourself, I think we have all had some sort of depression but have handled it differently.
Just remember guys, YOU might handle it differently(you might think “losers, weaklings etc”) but until its yourself, son, mother, father, brother, sister someone you care for deeply you wont ever understand. I know that you have a RIGHT to express your opinion but lets try to understand and help these people that call, call, call for help. Oh by the way, you remember the Great Depression? Remember all those jumpers from that time? Have a good day.
Look, man, it’s not an issue about if depression is a disease or not. It comes down to three factors: 1.) Finishing your life in the ultimate “Look-at-Me” fashion - Narcissism. 2.) Having no respect for those around you and those that gave birth to you - Narcissism. 3.) Not having any perspective as to how good you really have it compared to the other people - narcissism.
Suicide is the ultimate form of self-flattery and attention, and it’s a WASTE of human life. If someone is suffering from a perpetual spell of depression, it is THEIR responsibility to seek out professional and sustained help. Please forgive everyone else for continuining on with their lives - it’s not anyone else’s duty to be the guy’s babysitter. The fact is is that suicide is the most selfish and immature way out of a situation. Let’s go back to 1., 2., and 3.
1.) Since this is a ‘special’ suicide, I’ll treat it as so. Any normal suicide is different, okay? Hanging yourself, “going down the train tracks” while alone in your bathtub, things like that, are intimate, self-pitying ways to off yourself. While I still think they’re dumb, they’re on a much smaller, more localized scale. This kid went on to a LARGELY popular site, with known trolls and idiots since it’s been established, and issued a ‘cry for help.’
Since he committed suicide on a public outlet that serves as a major-media website, it’s clearly not just for his own self-fullfilment. This was served as a big, public “Fuck you” and the dude clearly just wanted to leave behind a legacy - Look, now he’s the kid who committed suicide on the internet. Maybe somehow 2+2 no longer equals 4, but to me, that’s no different than killing another person for attention or for a legacy. Prove me wrong.
Let’s look at the facts… this kid was a known troll. This is on BODYBUILDING.com, not TheViewforums.com for God’s sakes. Do you really, honestly think that 80% of the people that participated in the threads believed he was killing himself at first? I really doubt it.
I don’t understand why people are defending his actions. Death is the ultimate intimacy, and should never be a self-controlled, legacy-binding video ON THE INTERNET.
2.) No respect. This is an even bigger issue for me than #1, honestly. I have a friend whose dad tried to commit suicide, failed, and then tried to commit suicide AGAIN. Needless to say, it put her family through a fair share of grief. I’ll say this once, and if need be, I’ll continue to drill it into people’s thick skulls: SUICIDE IS THE MOST SELFISH THING YOU COULD EVER DO.
What about his parents, who spent thousands, if not more, dollars on him? Who put an effort into raising him straight and well? What about his friends, who invested a lot of time in getting close with him, doing things together, getting personal ties? How is this supposed to make them feel - Like it’s their fault? No, by your reasoning, it’s a state of depression. So then they start to second-guess themselves. “What could I have done differently? Should I have seen the warning signs?” NO! IT’S NOT ANYONE ELSE’S RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK OUT FOR ANYONE ELSE’S FUCKING SUICIDAL TENDENCIES, DAMMIT!
Excuse me if I believe in self-accountability. I guarantee this kid was conscious of his suicidal thoughts. He probably knew they were wrong, immoral, and selfish. Yet, he did nothing about it except for act on impulse. This is a blatant disregard for any sort of emotional, monetary, or personal investment anyone has put into him. Never mind anyone else, just do whatcha please. I think we should all instigate this kind of thinking from now on - Let’s not work together, sort things out, or approach things from a logical perspective. Hell no - Let’s just act on impulse! Anything great throughout time has been accomplished by impulse… right?
Give me a break. This act was as selfish as it comes, and he obviously didn’t give a flying fuck about those he was going to hurt around him, which is… Ding ding ding! Narcissism!
3.) This drives me crazy. Go up to a person in Ethiopia. Look at their living conditions. Look at what they have to do every day just to stay alive. Then, tell them why this kid committed suicide. Take a video of it, and let me see their face. I guarantee it’ll be a look of confusion, and they’d ask “Why would he do that?” Tell them that it was because of ‘pressure’ that his parents put on him for school, and that a girl doesn’t like him. They’ll likely say “I can’t afford to go to our one school in the mainland, my parents were killed in front of my eyes when our village was hoarded by insurgents, along with my wife, who was violently raped and disposed of. Yet I continue to do my job because I’M still alive and I STILL HAVE SOMETHING TO LIVE FOR.”
If I even have to further comment on why this dude has no business committing suicide compared to the BILLIONS of people living in sub-standard conditions, then I’m essentially talking to something with the intelligence of a chair.
If people read this post and still don’t feel any different, then I really have no business discussing this any further, because we’re clearly on a different level here. For the religious folks, I could have speculated on the ‘eternal’ reprocussions of suicide, but I don’t even want to go there.[/quote]
What you dont get and you refuse to understand is hte inherent contradiction when you say “If someone is suffering from a perpetual spell of depression, it is THEIR responsibility to seek out professional and sustained help.” SOME OF THEM - MOST OF THEM - ARE INCAPABLE OF SEEKING HELP.
Your points about the parents are misplaced. nobody is blaming them, nobody has anything but deep sympathy for them. This is not a binary, either/or situation, you are able to have sympathy for both of them.
Yes, suicide is selfish - so what does it say about the pain that he must’ve been going through, that this is his best option? How about you get THAT through YOUR thick skull.
I’m not going to judge him on broadcasting it. As has been pointed out, this is the first generation that has basically had their entire lives broadcast, so to broadcast the end of it … well, maybe that seems like the logical conclusion.
Ironically, your posts have made me feel better because of how many people have disagreed with you and pointed out your ignorance.